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timmyb 01-13-2014 9:33 AM

2014 Denver Boat Show Pictures
 
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Here's a few pics from the Denver Boat Show. Can't believe how expensive these boats are getting. Cheapest wakeboard boat at the show (that I saw) was $57k and that was a Supreme 226.

Malibu's offerings - REALLY liked the new LSV. I have never ever liked any of Malibu's boats as far as external styling goes and this one finally appealed to me (and my wife). Definitely a sharp looking boat.

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:34 AM

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Lsv

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:35 AM

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MB and Supra World's

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:37 AM

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Another Malibu and my favorite boat, the X46 ($133k). Sorry, didn't get pics of every invoice and it wasn't intentional, just ran out of time.

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:40 AM

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Everyone on WW's favorite boat, the Tige ASR :D. Priced at $124,995 with boatmate trailer, 555hp engine, Wetsounds 808 audio. And to answer the next question, no there was not a G23 there to compare it to.

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:41 AM

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Some Colorado Tige love. :)

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:43 AM

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More Tige's. Everyone likes to rip on Tige for their pricing but for the record, you can get a loaded up Z3 for less than an Axis A24. Hmmm....who's over priced?

MICAH_HARPER 01-13-2014 9:50 AM

man.....prices are insane.

all of these boats cost more than i payed for my house.....lol

MICAH_HARPER 01-13-2014 9:50 AM

do you think the industry will ever price itself out of business

timmyb 01-13-2014 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MICAH_HARPER (Post 1859394)
do you think the industry will ever price itself out of business

They have priced me out of buying new, I know that! Sad day when I looked at the leftover 2013 RZ2 and thought, wow, what a bargain! :eek:

patrick232 01-13-2014 10:14 AM

over 20% off on the Tige and less than 5% on the Axis

priszkid 01-13-2014 10:18 AM

thanks for the share Timmy! great pics

bjames 01-13-2014 10:24 AM

$83K for an Axis... Holy cow, here have I been lately?

timmyb 01-13-2014 10:24 AM

I found something that I liked about every single boat there. Everybody has their own take on seating, vinyl colors and design, gelcoat colors, graphics, sound and engines, etc. It's really a lot of fun to just jump in them and see the differences.

timmyb 01-13-2014 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bjames (Post 1859409)
$83K for an Axis... Holy cow, here have I been lately?

Look again, it's almost $86k with dealer prep and freight! :eek: Oh, and it still has plastic cupholders...:rolleyes:

migs 01-13-2014 10:36 AM

those prices are LUDICROUS.
86 for an Axis...please

augie_09 01-13-2014 10:49 AM

I haven't spent time online looking at interior pics of the asr, but 2 questions.

Is it the camera angle or does the sun pad walk through area look like it's a foot deep? I thought it would be a cushion you flip over that has grip on the back for stepping, but this looks deep 6" deeper than the cushions on left and right. crazy how deep the hull is in new boats to pull that off with engine under it.

Again, could be camera angle, does the transom walkthrough have a metal edge going across it the hight of the seat cushions? Guessing that opens up to a cooler or garbage or access storage? The metal edge looks like a shin splitter and small kid head basher.


http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/attac...1&d=1389634737

timmyb 01-13-2014 10:55 AM

All camera angle/cell phone pic issues. The the vinyl on the sun pad is creating a weird effect there making it look like it's that deep. No metal edges, the vinyl just looks like metal due to the metallic finish on it. Then in the bow area, that spot that says Tige in the seadek is raised and has a full size igloo cooler in it.

soonerbilly 01-13-2014 10:57 AM

The drop from that walkthrough to the platform on the ASR is quite a drop too. The ASR and G series are crazy deep. Makes for a ton of storage though. I mentioned in another post that my 6 foot tall son could sit in the passenger storage lockers with room to move around in. Even in the G21....wish i had that kind of room.

timmyb 01-13-2014 11:02 AM

You are right. Short people may not like the ASR's transom, it's quite a step from the sun pad to the swim platform.

tonyv420 01-13-2014 11:26 AM

Prices are stupid crazy!!!!! Looks like Supreme 226, is the best bargain on the market! Keeps the value of my old boat from depreciating to rapidly!!

h20king 01-13-2014 11:39 AM

What was included on the 226 for 57k bout 8k goofy more here

h20king 01-13-2014 11:39 AM

Stupid phone

timmyb 01-13-2014 11:48 AM

So that Supreme was a weird deal, they showed the price as $57k but the one they had on the floor was actually $69k (maybe it was $67k) because it had the bigger engine and a blinged out trailer or something.

whiteflashwatersports1 01-13-2014 11:58 AM

These prices are insane. We use our boat year round here in Florida and I would never pay that much. I cant imagine paying that much for something that I have to winterize every year and only get to enjoy part of the year. These boat builders are crazy!!!

Cabledog 01-13-2014 11:59 AM

My 2014 V226 was more than 57K too h20king. Had about 5K of stereo added too so thats a factor. One day following these forums and I think I got the best deal ever and the next I'm WTF I paid more than that. Chances are for 57K its a leftover 13 thats been floored all summer but it would be good to know.

polarbill 01-13-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by timmyb (Post 1859449)
So that Supreme was a weird deal, they showed the price as $57k but the one they had on the floor was actually $69k (maybe it was $67k) because it had the bigger engine and a blinged out trailer or something.

haha, I actually talked with Mike Brendel about this exact situation Saturday at the boat show. The old you can buy this boat for as low as 39,995 but optioned with the stuff that actually makes it usable and the way it is sitting right here it is 55k.

Buyers are smarter than that I think.

The boats look nice. 85k for an Axis does sound crazy although it looks like it is for an A24 with a 10k engine upgrade, big stereo and surfgate.

migs 01-13-2014 3:03 PM

115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH

timmyb 01-13-2014 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by migs (Post 1859506)
115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH

If it had the 555hp motor, I'm guessing it would be the same price as the ASR.

boardman74 01-13-2014 3:16 PM

Well every brand has to have a boat well into 6 digits or they feel left out!! if they are selling them why not?? I just can't believe people are buying them!!

cgilliland 01-13-2014 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by migs (Post 1859506)
115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH

yea but what I have found is that Supra has more options included. once you build the others up to what is included in the supra (motor, etc.) they are a good value

that's just one guys experience. I wanted a VLX but after I built it up it was a lot higher than I expected, and to be honest I got tired of analyzing the options. Supra just loads it from the start (especially the worlds). they only have like 3 options, heater, z-5, all else is included

jbird 01-13-2014 3:35 PM

Thanks for the pics! I don't need to go to our local boat show now! The $$'s are stupid!

surffresh 01-13-2014 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1859456)
haha, I actually talked with Mike Brendel about this exact situation Saturday at the boat show. The old you can buy this boat for as low as 39,995 but optioned with the stuff that actually makes it usable and the way it is sitting right here it is 55k.

Buyers are smarter than that I think.

The boats look nice. 85k for an Axis does sound crazy although it looks like it is for an A24 with a 10k engine upgrade, big stereo and surfgate.

Sorry but I can't figure out what you are saying MB said to you, without a motor and seats 39,995 ?

polarbill 01-13-2014 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1859577)
Sorry but I can't figure out what you are saying MB said to you, without a motor and seats 39,995 ?

Sorry for the confusion. I am not sure I made much sense there. We were just talking about the situation where a dealer(any dealer or manufacturer) shows a price at the boat show of something like 39,999(2006 X1 is a prime example) but then if you actually price out the nice looking, loaded one they have at the boat show it is 55k. I am not referencing MB boats, just the idea of trying to trick buyers into thinking you can get the boat for one price that doesn't include all the things on the boat that the sign is sitting right next to.

wakebordr11 01-13-2014 9:22 PM

2013 Z3 vs 2014 A24? I'm not saying what should be priced more, but it's not apples to apples years wise...

surffresh 01-14-2014 5:35 AM

Yeah Brett, a lot of that sort of thing goes on with outboards and inboard/outboards. A dealer that I partnered up with had poles with something like $299 per mo. $26,995 ( diff on every boat) on them way up high over each boat at the shows, they showed every boat on a trailer, but the actual price on that (per say) boat was like $29,995 because of the options and the real kick in the teeth was PLUS $2,950 or something for a single axle non painted trailer, these are fishing boats etc. I absolutely hated it ! Most were under powered also and they would say "hey I never caught a single fish going 50".

racer808 01-14-2014 6:25 AM

What sort of mark up are on these things? They just take 30k off the price as a special?

timmyb 01-14-2014 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1859586)
2013 Z3 vs 2014 A24? I'm not saying what should be priced more, but it's not apples to apples years wise...

On that Z3, if it had been ordered 1 week later, it would be a '14. I know, doesn't matter, still a '13. It does have a PCM and then the next week is when they started putting Indmar in. The dealer was like :banghead: when he found out that it was a '13 instead of a '14. Someone got a great deal on it (it sold at the show).

polarbill 01-14-2014 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by racer808 (Post 1859623)
What sort of mark up are on these things? They just take 30k off the price as a special?

I am not sure what the normal margin is on the boats and I am not really sure it matters. As for normal pricing on the lot or at the show it all depends on time of year, location, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if on "average" most new wakebaord boats are listed for around 10-15% off MSRP on the lot and at the boat show you may get another 5-10% off or so. I could easily be wrong on that and again a lot depends on location. If you go to a high overhead area where there are tons of really, really rich people they may list and sell at close to MSRP(this is basically what most dealers in the Seattle area seem to be) or if you go to somewhere with really low overhead and more working class people you might see 10-20% off MSRP. In the end what matters is the buyer feels like they got the boat they want at the price they were willing to pay.

cjh1669 01-14-2014 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timmyb (Post 1859629)
On that Z3, if it had been ordered 1 week later, it would be a '14. I know, doesn't matter, still a '13. It does have a PCM and then the next week is when they started putting Indmar in. The dealer was like :banghead: when he found out that it was a '13 instead of a '14. Someone got a great deal on it (it sold at the show).

What engine was in the Z3?

cwb4me 01-14-2014 5:17 PM

It's not the deal you got. It's the deal you think you got!!! LOL Happens all the time.

cwb4me 01-14-2014 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cjh1669 (Post 1859842)
What engine was in the Z3?

I would guess the 409 in Colorado. As the 343 would be a little underpowered at that elevation in a 23'9" boat.

cjh1669 01-14-2014 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cwb4me (Post 1859847)
I would guess the 409 in Colorado. As the 343 would be a little underpowered at that elevation in a 23'9" boat.

So in engine alone there is a serious price difference. The a24 had a ls3. So the A24 is a '14, bigger, more options, and an up graded engine over the z3, but only 2k more. Sounds like the z3 was over priced

bruizza 01-14-2014 5:37 PM

Considering the 14 Z3 was about 10k more than that 13 Z3 I wouldn't say the 13 Z3 was over priced. The Z3 is a much nicer boat than an Axis.

cjh1669 01-14-2014 5:40 PM

Than the a22 yes, but I disagree on the a24. On top of that it doesn't have surf gate, and ascetically that a24 blew away the z3. That's not even getting into the a24 wake performance over the z3

bruizza 01-14-2014 5:42 PM

You are allowed to disagree. I disagree with all the stuff you just said.

cjh1669 01-14-2014 5:43 PM

I don't buy that, I've heard you say different

cwb4me 01-14-2014 5:46 PM

Opinions on boats are just like cars. We could discuss this all day and still not agree. It's best to agree to disagree.

Jmorlan 01-14-2014 5:52 PM

I think Axis look cheap, feel cheap, and smell cheap. Would never own one. I'd rather have a used boat than a brand new axis, just for the sake of having a new boat.

timmyb 01-14-2014 7:08 PM

The Z3 is really like 23'10" or something so just 2" shorter and 140 lbs heavier. Since that Z3 had the 409, the LS3 would probably be about a $3,500 to $5k upgrade. Only reason it's $10k on the Axis is because the 330hp is standard instead of the 350hp like the Z3. If you like the Axis better, more power to you. Axis is Malibu's cheap brand because they give you plastic panels vs vinyl covered, plastic dash vs vinyl wrapped, plastic cupholders, basic upholstery designs (those extra panels and stitching save labor costs), no Maliview, no billet, a basic tower and half a windshield.

Not knocking the Axis line, they are selling them and if you buy an A24 in the $70k range, that's a great value. Based on the used 24 MXZ's that I am seeing out there, I think it would be much smarter to buy a leftover MXZ or a 1 model year used for almost the same money as this loaded up one and in the long run, the MXZ is going to be a better value than a loaded up A24. Just my own opinion.

timmyb 01-14-2014 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cjh1669 (Post 1859855)
I don't buy that, I've heard you say different

Funny that you say that to him considering the Axis in there family has been replaced by MB and Tige! :cool:

bftskir 01-14-2014 8:20 PM

I assure you that you can have just as much fun in an old boat. I've got 14 grand in mine. Paid for. Use it 200 hours a year all year long. It's a 90 with a 2011 Stroker that I put in it. Most people seeing think it's new.

Boat prices are reflecting the run up in housing prices, easily available credit , everybody better buy now because they going up up up so hurry and buy. Market will reach satuation and then a crash.

Everybody knows none of them are WORTH more than 30,40K or so.

bftskir 01-14-2014 8:24 PM

Apparently the boating industry has subscribed fully to the old saying There's a sucker born every minute.

Jmorlan 01-14-2014 8:33 PM

A sucker is the guy with 14k in a boat from 1990

polarbill 01-14-2014 8:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1859895)
A sucker is the guy with 14k in a boat from 1990

How so? Some of the new 100k boats lose almost 14k in value every year.

Jmorlan 01-14-2014 8:55 PM

14k in a boat that is from 1990?

Let me repeat it once more. Fourteen thousand US dollars into a boat from the year 1990.

That seems like a good deal? I think not

Jmorlan 01-14-2014 8:56 PM

That's way too deep to be into a boat like that.

bftskir 01-14-2014 9:36 PM

Those new boats lose more than 14 k when you tow it away from the dealer.

bftskir 01-14-2014 9:48 PM

And.....it's a Closed Bow!!! What I put together is equal to the same model in 2014 costing 50k+.....I got same wake and 50mph. No plans to sell ever. Works for me.

bftskir 01-14-2014 9:50 PM

Oh and I did get about 2 grand for the old 350.

bftskir 01-14-2014 9:55 PM

It really only works when you use a quality built Sanger... Others would be rotten and worn out...I still have original interior. LOL. No body is building with that quality today.

Jmorlan 01-14-2014 9:58 PM

Ill consider my 05 v215 sanger that I bought for 18k with 160hrs a golden deal then I suppose.

bftskir 01-14-2014 10:00 PM

Plus I can let chicks drive it and if they bump the dock it ain't no big thang

bftskir 01-14-2014 10:02 PM

I'd say so JM.


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