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jillyjam 10-30-2013 7:17 AM

Indmar = Ford Engines?
 
A friend at Supra said that Ford wants to get back in the industry with Indmar. Since they dropped out of marine because there wasn’t enough volume when GM got in the biz.

From the Indmar site, it looks like they are going to announce this whole deal at SEMA:

http://www.indmar.com/Experience/Announcement.aspx

"you know my feeling about Ford engines...nuff said."

surffresh 10-30-2013 7:24 AM

EcoBoost marine sounds awesome!

tyler97217 10-30-2013 7:24 AM

I heard there is some big announcement next week from Indamar.... Interesting if that is really the case

brichter14 10-30-2013 9:13 AM

I sure do like my gt-40!

timmyb 10-30-2013 12:01 PM

Is it Ford or is it Diesel?

superair502 10-30-2013 1:01 PM

Man if there was a diesel option I would add it to my A24 I plan on ordering right now! That would be amazing. Not sure what they do with the smoke tho wouldn't there be particles of black smoke all over the water?

MCObray 10-30-2013 3:13 PM

V6 EcoBoost would be interesting...

nitrousbird 10-30-2013 3:30 PM

This is all speculation based on made up rumors with nothing to back it up.

cwb4me 10-30-2013 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrousbird (Post 1851194)
This is all speculation based on made up rumors with nothing to back it up.

Typical Wakeworld.:rolleyes:

kronoss 10-30-2013 9:34 PM

I think they are just going to announce the fact that they are going to start using the new GM 5.3 blocks instead of the old school 350's

I think the marine industry needs a gamechanger cooling system that does not deteriorate the engine, causing leaks, rust, corrosion, impeller changes, etc. We are using the same type of cooling since the 1960's...

tampawake 10-31-2013 12:23 PM

Was told by my dealer the reason Tige switched back to Indmar was because BIG things are coming from indmar. Was told that last year. So my guess is diesel or V6 EcoBoost so I really bring nothing to this thread. However my dealer is a huge engine guy as they repair everything from cars to boats.

timmyb 10-31-2013 2:07 PM

Switching to Ford engines would kind of screw the dealers since they have been Chevy based for the most part in the past. New LS based engines would make sense.

kronoss 10-31-2013 4:23 PM

I have talked with someone high up in a boat company, thats what he said, switching to new style GM blocks, because GM doesnt want to keep making outdated ****.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 7:45 AM

6.2L Raptor engines ranging from 370-600hp.

Just sayin..

CarFanatic5 11-01-2013 9:40 AM

my guess would be new gm blocks. Don't know why they couldn't use closed loop cooling??

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 9:43 AM

birdie says 6.2L Raptors
370-600hp options..

pretty good birdie too. js

boogs 11-01-2013 10:03 AM

Raptor as in the truck or the company raptor??

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:08 AM

6.2L Ford Raptor engines

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:10 AM

Ford hasn't been in inboard business since 1995. That will be a cool welcome back engine.

boogs 11-01-2013 10:13 AM

thanks craig. just to clarify do you know if thats going to be an upgrade option or the stock motor?

shawndoggy 11-01-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigtxmc (Post 1851390)
Ford hasn't been in inboard business since 1995. That will be a cool welcome back engine.

pretty sure PCM was using the GT40 (ford) through 2002 or so.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:19 AM

IN MC's... Sorry. PCM had bought up all the remaining GT-40 motors and continued to use them until they were all gone.
Sorry for the mis info

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:21 AM

I'm pretty sure Chevrolet will continue to supply as well. Just an option i'm guessing. I'm sure manufacturer's will get to choose.

edgeski1 11-01-2013 10:21 AM

I have a pretty good source telling me that there is a new motor, and it displaces 6.2L and it is not GM. So that should back up Craig

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:23 AM

my source is pretty "in the know" so I'm willing to bet at least a cold beer on this one.. :)

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:24 AM

Fuel consumption will be interesting. I'm pretty sure Ford Raptors enjoy stopping at the gas stations.

rossolson 11-01-2013 10:37 AM

The 6.2L ford engine isn't just a "raptor" engine, it's a heavy duty engine as well in other F150 models so makes sense if they'd choose to marinize that one. Great engine and the fuel economy isn't any worse than the GM 6.2L in my experience.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:39 AM

Raptor sounds better than F250 XL Longbed engine though.. come on now..

timmyb 11-01-2013 10:39 AM

600 hp NA or supercharged?

rossolson 11-01-2013 10:43 AM

Not near as good as Ford 6.2L as it should be, the raptor doesn't do anything for that engine that a lariat or limited can't. The 600 hp won't be NA.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:45 AM

I don't know but on a side note I was just on Hennessey's website and they offer some crazy packages. Wish I were a millionaire instead of the damn hundredaire that i am.

I'm sure the 600 will be supercharged if i had to guess. Ilmor still has bragging rights on 500+ hp that is catalyzed and naturally aspirated i think.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 10:46 AM

Surely we aren't arguing over Ford trim packages.. geez

That's what happens when you let cat out of bag. Always animal control around...

rossolson 11-01-2013 11:18 AM

Cat out of bag?? Only time will tell.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 11:38 AM

No prob sir.

runin90lx 11-01-2013 12:22 PM

My wife had a 6.2L in her lifted f150 harley truck. 9mpg!! Cant imagine how much fuel it would burn in a boat plowing through the water lol

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craigtxmc 11-01-2013 12:34 PM

Bill, not in Twerk's experience. But only time will tell.

Fixable 11-01-2013 4:10 PM

For what it is worth, I get 13.5mpg, average, with my Raptor. It is Roush phase II, 600hp/600tq..... 13.5mpg is not that good, however, a Raptor is turning 35/12.50s on each corner, and that destroys fuel mileage. Normal size tires, that weigh half as much, would add 3mpg easily.

In a boat, I would expect it to burn about as much fuel as the LSA.

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 4:15 PM

A 600hp Raptor getting 16.5mph

Maybe getting towed behind an 800hp Raptor

But for real, stock raptor won't touch 16.5 that I've ever seen. Super nice truck though

Fixable 11-01-2013 4:28 PM

Craig- you gotta reread what I wrote. It definitely wouldn't get 16.5mpg....... because of the tires it is turning. 35s kill fuel mileage. Raptor comes stock with 35/12.50s

craigtxmc 11-01-2013 6:41 PM

Raptors are badass.. Don't get me wrong. I've just never seen one get even decent mileage. But, like boats, it's just part of owning expensive toys.. If I could afford one I'd have a raptor.. Lol. I'm just hatin.
I can't even afford a boat and I get free ones..

nitrousbird 11-03-2013 4:09 AM

Why are all of you excited about the Ford 6.2L? It will:
- Make less power than the current 6.2L LS3 Indmar uses
- Is a physically larger motor, giving even less engine bay room
- Harder to work on
- Will likely get worse fuel economy
- Will likely be more expensive

I don't understand the excitement at all on that rumor.

cwb4me 11-03-2013 6:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrousbird (Post 1851560)
Why are all of you excited about the Ford 6.2L? It will:
- Make less power than the current 6.2L LS3 Indmar uses
- Is a physically larger motor, giving even less engine bay room
- Harder to work on
- Will likely get worse fuel economy
- Will likely be more expensive

I don't understand the excitement at all on that rumor.

Are you sure? Or are you stating your opinion?

WheelerWake 11-03-2013 6:19 AM

Your classic Chevy/Ford argument.

Sounds like a good thing to me, currently GM has a monopoly. Competition is a good thing.

superair502 11-03-2013 8:06 AM

How on earth does the Chevy 6.2 make more power than the 6.2 ford? Everything I have seen the raptor motor makes way more power

superair502 11-03-2013 8:15 AM

Guess I should be more specific, meant in the low-mid rpm range. Peak hp and tq numbers don't mean much to a wakeboat, can't rev the engine to 5000 on takeoff

kronoss 11-03-2013 9:24 AM

If they will use this, i'm putting my boat up for sale.

http://www.hyundaiseasallusa.com/

nitrousbird 11-05-2013 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwb4me (Post 1851570)
Are you sure? Or are you stating your opinion?

Facts, not opinions:
- LS3 makes more power than the 6.2L Ford motor.
- The Ford SOHC motor is physically larger than the GM OHV motor. Just take a look at them
- See above. Larger motor is harder to work on in a confined space. Also GM has made the LSx motors pretty easy to do maintenance on things, such as using O-rings on a lot of items instead of gaskets, you can swap cams without pulling lifters, etc.
- Obviously the LS3 isn't put into a truck, but the L92 is and is a similar motor to the LS3 - which happens to get better fuel mileage than the Ford 6.2L in the F150's.
- Ford is weird about the crate motors they sell, but I looked up what people are paying for the 6.2L Ford and it is more than a new Crate LS3.

cwb4me 11-05-2013 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrousbird (Post 1851836)
Facts, not opinions:
- LS3 makes more power than the 6.2L Ford motor.
- The Ford SOHC motor is physically larger than the GM OHV motor. Just take a look at them
- See above. Larger motor is harder to work on in a confined space. Also GM has made the LSx motors pretty easy to do maintenance on things, such as using O-rings on a lot of items instead of gaskets, you can swap cams without pulling lifters, etc.
- Obviously the LS3 isn't put into a truck, but the L92 is and is a similar motor to the LS3 - which happens to get better fuel mileage than the Ford 6.2L in the F150's.
- Ford is weird about the crate motors they sell, but I looked up what people are paying for the 6.2L Ford and it is more than a new Crate LS3.

So now it's a fact because you reposted it?:D

fic 11-05-2013 3:51 AM

The ford 6.2l is 379 cu and produces 434 torque, the gm 6.2l is 376cu and produces 415 torque, both about the same with the ford having poetential of produceing more torque do to 3.7 stroke versus 3.62 , HP plays no part in the movement of a boat its only there for bragging rights, so it will be interesting to see what happens, I can tell you this when I slaloum ski behind a Nautique I cuold tell which was the Excaliber 330hp 5.7 chevy and which boat had the GT40 5.8l , the ford had 380 torque and the chevy 350 torque , the transition from dead start out of the hole was much easier with the GT40.

WheelerWake 11-05-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fic (Post 1851839)
HP plays no part in the movement of a boat its only there for bragging rights,.

This is common misconception. Torque is a measure of force, not power. You can have 1000 ft-lbs of torque at 0 rpm, and it isn't going to move a boat very well. Only when you have torque at rpm (the definition of horsepower) are you going to move a boat

wakecumberland 11-05-2013 11:13 AM

"Everything you know about inboard boat performance is about to change!" -via Indmar webpage

If that is the case, I dont know how a Ford sourced 6.2L changes everything I know about inboard boat performance. However I, and most of us on this site, have never been in a diesel tow boat, so that would potentially "change" everything we know. Anything less than a diesel or alternaitve propulsion system will be a serious exageration in the lead up to the anouncement. But with all the "game changers" in the industry these days I guess it shouldnt be all that surprising :rolleyes:

superair502 11-05-2013 11:16 AM

kinda how I feel. I have a feeling this is going to be a oil burner engine!!:D

superair502 11-05-2013 11:39 AM

when does this stupid thing happen?

bhyatt_ohp 11-05-2013 11:49 AM

I have no insider news and have heard no rumors, except for what has been posted above. Indmar's site as well as the banner ad on the main Wakeworld page state this is going to "forever change inboard performance and the watersports industry". Marinizing a newer style Ford block with significant horsepower is not going to forever change the industry, IMO. That would just be throwing a bandaid at the evolving problem of huge hulls/heavy weight + huge horsepower = exorbitant fuel consumption/costs.

I anticipate and hope this launch is more of an eco-driven move, whether that be in the form of less cylinders + turbo (diesel or gas), or some type of hybrid or electric drive that's been improved since some of the previous attempts by Epic, etc.

"Forever changing" the industry would be burning 2.5 or 3 gallons per wakeboard set vs. 5-6 gallons per set, while significantly reducing emissions at the same time. I can't help but think that will come in the form of a common rail turbo diesel under 5 liters with a diesel particulate filter setup. Boat motors are a farm/fleet type application. They need the most power at low RPM ranges, then steady power at a higher RPM's - this makes perfect sense to use a common rail diesel with a doughnut sized reliable turbo to accomplish this. Diesel particulate filters have also forever changed the emissions put out by diesels and eliminate the diesel smell and visible soot - making Indmar's relationship in California seem more feasible.

Guess we'll see here soon enough.

whiteflashwatersports1 11-05-2013 12:31 PM

Tige's instagram says the live reveal will be today at 1 pst on indmar.com

kronoss 11-05-2013 12:38 PM

5 pst

timmyb 11-05-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fic (Post 1851839)
The ford 6.2l is 379 cu and produces 434 torque, the gm 6.2l is 376cu and produces 415 torque, both about the same with the ford having poetential of produceing more torque do to 3.7 stroke versus 3.62 , HP plays no part in the movement of a boat its only there for bragging rights, so it will be interesting to see what happens, I can tell you this when I slaloum ski behind a Nautique I cuold tell which was the Excaliber 330hp 5.7 chevy and which boat had the GT40 5.8l , the ford had 380 torque and the chevy 350 torque , the transition from dead start out of the hole was much easier with the GT40.

The new GM 6.2L produces 420hp and 460lb/ft. of torque.

SBC350 11-05-2013 1:30 PM

As per Tige instagram... Its the Ford 6.2...
High torque game changer... Lol

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sppeders 11-05-2013 1:47 PM

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CarFanatic5 11-05-2013 1:56 PM

so whats so game changing??

tampawake 11-05-2013 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarFanatic5 (Post 1851932)
so whats so game changing??


Agree running on water or air would be a game changer. All the rest who cares unless your into engines.

timmyb 11-05-2013 1:59 PM

I wonder if Tige was supposed to release that picture?

tyler97217 11-05-2013 2:12 PM

It is officially announced... There is a Supra SA in the Ford booth at SEMA that is all plastered with Indamar....

tyler97217 11-05-2013 2:24 PM

I guess the announcement has not been made cause Indmar's website says 5PM PT, but there are lots of pictures and info on Facebook posts that have seen that announce it and show a Supra SA in the Ford booth with the motor....

JayManAR 11-05-2013 2:29 PM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/tuna8adu.jpg

timmyb 11-05-2013 2:33 PM

That Raptor and SA combo are bad azz!

tyler97217 11-05-2013 2:34 PM

agreed... see the matching (semi matching) tower as well?

bspot5 11-05-2013 3:10 PM

Well it's official, I will not be buying a Tige next year!

kronoss 11-05-2013 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bspot5 (Post 1851946)
Well it's official, I will not be buying a Tige next year!

+1, if it was the GM 5.3 that i have in my 2014 gmc, i would of totally went for a new boat, because its so damn fuel efficient.

or even if it was a diesel.




what the hell is so game changing about a ford...

cwb4me 11-05-2013 4:36 PM

More power!

simplej 11-05-2013 5:01 PM

ecoboost????

timmyb 11-05-2013 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bspot5 (Post 1851946)
Well it's official, I will not be buying a Tige next year!

Why? Because they will offer a Ford 6.2L as one of the engine options?:rolleyes: It's only 1 engine and then an entire lineup of Chevy engines.

edgeski1 11-05-2013 5:32 PM

GM won't be an option for long...

murphy_smith 11-05-2013 5:50 PM

Game changer....no impellar pump, no heat exhangers and not to mention all the other stuff that a marine engine HAS to have.

Pretty weak on Ford's/iIndmar's part to show up with car engine and tell everyone it is a game changer for the marine industry....coud they not even get marinized motor for SEMA...kinda lame in the presentation

Have fun changing that oil filter too!!!!!

wakecumberland 11-05-2013 6:08 PM

That thing has got hips! Maybe they are trying to get the MasterCraft account back :p

I mean look how wide that thing is WITHOUT exhaust manifolds! Throw come cats on it and you be lucky if you can fit an old wedge sack in the storage lockers.

bhyatt_ohp 11-05-2013 6:42 PM

What a complete joke...seriously.

I have completely lost faith in watersport industry marketing. Tired of the same huge promises/BS marketing/hype only to be let down on the "unveiling" of these products.

Have any of you actually watched the SEMA video? Completely lame, horrible and rushed. 3:15 is where the announcement starts.
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kronoss 11-05-2013 6:42 PM

ford... go home, you are drunk.

hunter660 11-05-2013 6:47 PM

The "Game Changer" already exists. http://cumminsengines.com/marine

Someone just needs to design an oil pan and transmission that works with a V drive boat.

alexair 11-06-2013 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyb (Post 1851963)
Why? Because they will offer a Ford 6.2L as one of the engine options?:rolleyes: It's only 1 engine and then an entire lineup of Chevy engines.

No more GM - Ford motors only in the line :banghead:

jdb11386 11-06-2013 5:56 AM

What engine is in the supra parked next to it?


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