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Jmorlan 09-13-2013 9:00 AM

05 Sanger v215 build thread, updates, upgrades, pictures, questions and more!
 
Well, as it seems this boat may live in infamy on wakeworld, so why not start a build thread with updates, upgrades and changes.

A place to post progress, and ask questions about this damn thing!

As of now there are a few mods underway and taking place, as well as a few more ideas stewing.

So ill Jump right to it and try and post some pics.

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 9:05 AM

Currently underway is the swap of the Polk 600.1 and the 2 Boston G5's that are in a custom box beneath the front locker, with port facing into the walkway of the boat.

They are being replaced with DC audio level 4's, and a Brutus 2400.1

Cool white LEDs have been ordered to re string the interior LEDs, and 5% tint should come on the windshield when I get the time in a week or 2.

Near future plans are to re finish the swim deck, it is kind of faded.

And after I begin the torture of asking tons of questions, I'm hoping to split the plumbing for the rear ballasts and T in a 750# under each rear locker.
Trailer brake re vamp will be on board with that project.

shawndoggy 09-13-2013 9:23 AM

perfectpass should really be the very first thing, after all of the maintenance stuff (oil, tranny, impeller)

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 9:33 AM

Impeller and oil should be done this weekend, given I get the time.

Perfect pass I am less worried about tbh. May just ride it out the rest of the season without it and install over the winter or next summer.

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 11:45 AM

so now that I know that ive been set up with the wrong f****king amp, and have to re route this path, if one were to choose between an SD2 and an Arc 600.2, price not being a factor, which would be chosen?

shawndoggy 09-13-2013 12:28 PM

I've never heard an sd2 but have been very happy with my ks600.2's. Being in norcal, arc audio can be had a lot cheaper than other parts of the country. I'd think it'd be way cheaper for a ks600.2 than an sd2. Like two for the price of one cheaper.

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 12:49 PM

If you found a decent deal at virtually the same price, would you favor the 600.2 still?

shawndoggy 09-13-2013 1:46 PM

never heard an SD2. Wetsounds makes nice stuff and I don't doubt it's a nice amp. If cost was the same, knowing the retail on the sd2, it'd probably hold better resale value.

hillbilly 09-13-2013 7:08 PM

I am almost positive Arc makes all WS amps....if that makes you feel any better.
Arc is great stuff just not as "marinized" as the WS stuff.

What one has more power?

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 7:57 PM

Arc is rated 600x2
SD2 rated 620x2.

Jmorlan 09-13-2013 8:17 PM

Dabbled a bit more today in disassembly.
There's wiring for about 16 speakers, but we have now cut it down to 8 interior speakers. Removing the extra 6x9's that were housed in their own boxes.
And I gained some of my cup holders back!
At one point it time it appears there were about 5 amps in the boat. And the wiring to show it. It was definitely installed professionally and it is decently clean, but there is a LOT OF IT.
2 amps still remained beneath the helm, however those will be re located the front observer locker with an amp rack to keep them from the elements. Now they are exposed to a bit too much moisture for my liking.
2 capacitors were also discovered beneath the helm behind the amps. The boat contains 8 batteries, 3 on each side rear locker, built into a clean battery box, with a 10amp shore charger pre-linked to keep them charged.
Any one think these capacitors are just existing wiring to deal with and are not needed? If performance is not being gained from them, I'd like to rip them out as well, as they are the only thing keeping a run of 0awg and a slough of distro blocks in place.
1 more battery lies on each side beneath the rear seat next to the v-drive unit.
The box containing 4 6x9's on the tower has been taken down in anticipation for the wet sounds.
Subs have been removed from their box and the DC Audio's filled their place.

Tomorrows project will be to continue to remove existing speaker wiring and begin to pre-wire for the new 6x9's that will fill the existing holes.

Fun stuff!

bryce2320 09-14-2013 6:48 AM

We need pics!!!!

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 3:43 PM

Ask and you shall receive.

Another day of tear down, relocating, and cleaning things up.

Driver seat/console had to be removed to access a sea of wires and distro blocks, to relocate the amps and wiring beneath the observer locker.

Glove box console area also had to be removed to move the custom box to gain access to work.

Here's a few pics beneath the helm.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0c531646.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...psd0bbed1c.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...psc69b55a7.jpg


So after we weed through all of that, we get this..

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...psa23a8577.jpg

Eight 8awg positives, eight 8awg negatives.

These will be removed obviously as we are not going to run anywhere near that amount of amps, on that many tiny wires.

However, there is a 0awg run, to 2 distro blocks that will each provide 2 pos 4awg runs, and 2 neg 4awg runs, so we might as well keep those, and run the 4 gauge over to beneath The observer locker from there.

:) I should have showed you guys what speaker wiring for 16 6x9's looks like. 'twas a bit of a zoo.

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 3:53 PM

Now that 8 of the 6x9's are being weeded out, I have to decide whether I want to make a harness and re wire all remaining speakers in the boat, for less wiring at the amp, or I keep the wiring for the 8 remaining speakers and save myself some time and headache and simply re-route them over.
Keeping the wiring may be easier in the short term, but in the long run I may want a cleaner look with less wiring at the amp. What do you guys think?

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 7:11 PM

Another slight update on the progress.
I decided to use the existing wiring and just re route the wires for the speakers that are still being used.

Everything is switched over, and got some amp racks mounted up.

RCA's are a bit too short, ill have to get a few new pairs.
And some feet of 4gauge power/ground wire, and we should have some mounted, powered amps tomorrow!

0gauge was ran for the sub amp, and hopefully the subs will be in tomorrow.

Get everything buttoned up and start the LEDs and tint next week.

Here's some pics of the racks
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...psd6e3f260.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1dec9bec.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps187c30ce.jpg

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 7:16 PM

There is also a third piece to mount my sub amp behind the back rest.
My sub amp is just about the size of one of the long boards shown, so hopefully an SD2 and an SD4 will fit on the 2 beneath the locker.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps898345ee.jpg

^^where sub amp will mount.

Jmorlan 09-15-2013 8:37 AM

The only thing that is really wrong cosmetically with this boat, is the faded swim deck, but that's an easy fix.

Anyone have any suggestions on what to do for a re finish? Maybe go with something black? As the windshield will be 5% tinted
Rhino line/line x
Plasti dip?

Or stay conventional with the teak look?
If so, what are some good products to get that new teak look back?

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9c31078e.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps67aa9d72.jpg

bryce2320 09-15-2013 8:45 AM

Keep that teak! Sand it with some 80 grit, than go back over it with a finer grit to smooth it up. Get some good quality teak oil, and a sock, and pour that oil a little bit at a time over a piece of the teak and rub it in so it all is covered, wait 5-10 minutes, and use a dry sock and wipe the excess teak off. Let it dry a day or 2 and do it again without sanding til you get the color you want.

wakebordr11 09-15-2013 9:08 AM

They sell teak cleaners. I'd use a teak cleaner and then get some oil, I paint it on til it won't suck anymore in, then wipe it off, let it cure for a day or two and repeat.

Yours doesn't look that bad, you could just put the oil to it

polarbill 09-15-2013 1:28 PM

Go get teakwonder's 2 part cleaner/brightener and a stiff bristled brush. Follow those steps then get a teak oil and either a rag/foam brush and oil it. Super easy and if you keep up on it, it doesn't take nearly as long as when it has been neglected.

markj 09-16-2013 1:49 AM

Linseed oil will hold up much longer. Way better than teak oil.

nailem 09-16-2013 5:52 AM

Sikkens Cetol. i will never oil teak again. i put this on and mixed in a small amount of silica sand (for garage floors) and gave it just a small amount of grip with out skinning the kids knees. has held up for two seasons now. it would be good for a few more but i will need to touch up where boards have banged it up.

wakebordr11 09-16-2013 7:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailem (Post 1845061)
Sikkens Cetol. i will never oil teak again. i put this on and mixed in a small amount of silica sand (for garage floors) and gave it just a small amount of grip with out skinning the kids knees. has held up for two seasons now. it would be good for a few more but i will need to touch up where boards have banged it up.

JM,

I've used Cetol. Looks great but personally I would never recommend it. Unless you put grit in it, it cures like glass, is slick as all H3LL. Use regular teak oil.

Cetol also is like a polyurethane, it seals the wood. I don't believe this is good for teak that sits in water. I also am pretty sure on the can it says to not use on waterline teak.

Basically what I'm saying is... don't use Cetol, if I didn't give you enough reasons, just trust me.

Jmorlan 09-16-2013 10:09 AM

Anywhere I can grab the teak oil locally? Ill pick some up today.

Ordered a few sets of the Polk MM691's to fill the 6x9 sports. Was going to grab adapter plates and run xs650's, but to carpet them blah, blah, too much work.
We will see how these sound, got a decent deal at about $120/pair compared to $85/pair on the db691's so I just went for it.

Jmorlan 09-16-2013 11:07 AM

Scratch that idea. Website was wrong in stating they are 4ohm. They are actually 2.7ohm. Which will not work. Db's it is it looks like.
Called and changed the order so we will see what happens.

norcalrider 09-16-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1845107)
Anywhere I can grab the teak oil locally? Ill pick some up today.

Ordered a few sets of the Polk MM691's to fill the 6x9 sports. Was going to grab adapter plates and run xs650's, but to carpet them blah, blah, too much work.
We will see how these sound, got a decent deal at about $120/pair compared to $85/pair on the db691's so I just went for it.

West Marine will have a kit with cleaner/brightener and oil, but I agree with previous posts regarding linseed oil which you can find at Home Depot or any box hardware store. That said you might search this forum, there are several posts with varying opinions on handling teak platforms.

https://www.google.com/search?q=teak...w=1365&bih=715

nailem 09-16-2013 1:38 PM

It does say that it should not be used below the water line but it was recommended by an old time that all he does is teak wood work in boats. I mixed some sand in and then sprinkled a little some on top while still wet. I use to oil and after a few weeks it looked bad again. Never again.
It does say it is breathable and flexable not like poly

Jmorlan 09-16-2013 3:07 PM

Ill try the oil first, as I like that darker richer look better.

But, the swim deck on my centurion was costed in cetol before I bought it, and I've had it 2 years now and the swim deck looks new stil.
I do hear you guys on it being a bit slippery lol.
The cetol just doesn't seem to give it a rich look, or is that just the wood?

nailem 09-16-2013 3:35 PM

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Here are a couple of pics after 2 plus seasons. My boat is kept in the water.

wakebordr11 09-16-2013 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1845169)
Ill try the oil first, as I like that darker richer look better.

But, the swim deck on my centurion was costed in cetol before I bought it, and I've had it 2 years now and the swim deck looks new stil.
I do hear you guys on it being a bit slippery lol.
The cetol just doesn't seem to give it a rich look, or is that just the wood?

Rubbing oil on even once a month is a no brainer compared to sand that could scratch your skin/board or slipping and having bruises... Cetol is not for teak platforms

But if you want to Cetol it, I will sell you my can for $5 plus shipping

nailem 09-16-2013 5:24 PM

Out side of your opinion that it is slippery do you have any real world reasons on why not to use cetol? Like have you seen a swim deck that has been destroyed by using it. Pulling the boat out to oil a swim deck is not a no brainier to me.

wakebordr11 09-16-2013 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailem (Post 1845183)
Out side of your opinion that it is slippery do you have any real world reasons on why not to use cetol? Like have you seen a swim deck that has been destroyed by using it. Pulling the boat out to oil a swim deck is not a no brainier to me.

Outside of my opinion that it is slippery is the fact that I've seen numerous people slip on it and , and their assertion that it is slick as ****, so less opinion, more fact. Teak is supposed to be oiled, not sealed at the waterline/underfoot.

I was exaggerating the once a month part. I doubt your boat sits in the water for months and months and doesn't get cleaned though. I do mine once a year. It looks fine.

Jmorlan 09-16-2013 6:13 PM

Ill finally be taking a day off tomorrow to work on this sob. So ill go pick up some teak oil and finish the wiring for the amps and get the wires bundled and where they need to be.
Run the wires for the tower, put everything back together.

Wednesday will be the moment of truth when everything shows up and gets plugged in!

Called and talked to Simon over at wet sounds. Discussed the problem of the MM's running a 2.7ohm load. He said the amp won't have a problem running 2 channels at 5.4ohm, and the other 2 chan running at 2ohm, so that's good news!
After that, ,made a call back to the place I was ordering the polks from and asked them to switch the order back lol.

Each of the 4 mm691 will be receiving ~95w each from the amp wired in series.
The other 2chan will power 4 xs650's at 2ohm.
A single sd2 will be running 4 rev10's and a ws420sq will tie them all together.

Stoked!

Jmorlan 09-17-2013 1:55 PM

Some packages came trickling in from UPS today :)
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps493c23b2.jpg

The rest should arrive tomorrow

norcalrider 09-17-2013 3:22 PM

broken photo link, at least on my end...

Jmorlan 09-17-2013 3:28 PM

I guess photobucket says my pictures have been viewed too many times and now those bastards want me to pay.
Nothing too special. Just showing the ws420sq, the box of revs and the box of 650s

Jmorlan 01-20-2014 9:26 PM

Just ran across this and forgot I haven't updated in a while.
Stereo is completely done, along with 5% on the windshield.
Waiting on gear 726 to come in stock, then they will be on the trailer.

Also did a full RGB led install, I'll get some pics of shortly.
Picture of the rev10 next to a boston G5 12" sub
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6e55e931.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...FA4AE67E6D.jpg

Picked these up for the trailer too, I'll add some new pics of those when the wheels come in
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...C5E9D6417A.jpg

norcalmalibu 01-21-2014 9:07 AM

Boat looks good, Stereo looks great! I really dislike the window tint..I don't understand why anyone would put a dark window tint on a boat? It's hard enough to keep track of fallen riders on a busy day with a clear windshield let alone one that is blacked out.
I have a close friend that was ran over on the Delta and it was by a driver not paying attention. Accidents happen quickly so don't put yourself at a disadvantage by having a blacked out window to see through.

Jmorlan 02-11-2014 10:50 PM

Aquick update with a pic of the revs for this thread.
On the way are some black moto metal 962 rims in 18's for the trailer, ill update it in a few weeks when they come in. They had to be custom drilled for the lug pattern.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...4B801F5FE8.jpg

dp513 02-12-2014 7:05 PM

keep doing stuff to it so its even nicer when i buy it :D:D:D:D;)

norcalrider 02-20-2014 3:45 PM

This reflects my habits on oiling teak: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp

Jmorlan 02-25-2014 12:22 PM

Wheels are here, tires arrive tomorrow. More pics to come hopefully this weekend mounted, if it's not pouring rain
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...52CEB3D6C7.jpg


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Jmorlan 03-04-2014 2:01 PM

Wheels are on, here's a quick snap. Boat is still covered hopefully I we will get some sun and I'll get some good pictures


http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...06A0B77376.jpg



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NotSure123 03-04-2014 2:53 PM

Sexy!...how much did the rim/tire combo set ya back if you don't mind me asking...?

Jmorlan 03-04-2014 2:59 PM

The wheels I got shafted on, $205/ea because they had to be drilled to the lug pattern from a blank.
I went into this expecting $620 for the wheels, or $155/ea plus $10 per wheel to drill them. Well that wasn't the way it worked.
They charged me $195 for the blank wheel and $10 to drill them. Kind of stupid Imo because they were $155 for this exact wheel in a 5x5.5 and 6x5.5.
Tires were $101.90/ea plus shipping. Onlinetires.com is the cheapest place btw for the nexen n3000.
Then my local tire shop fisted me with a $20/wheel mount and balance. So we came out a bit over budget lol
I came into this hoping for $1000-$1100.
I'm in them about $1365


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NotSure123 03-04-2014 6:31 PM

hahaha...I'm impatiently waiting for my tires to finish wearing out on my trailer...I like that look alot! Most likely going to be a next winter project, gotta get through a wedding this year haha.

dp513 03-04-2014 8:51 PM

those look dope dude!! I had those on my truck for a while but i i have fuel nutz now. I may try and get the mavericks for the boat trailer.

dp513 03-07-2014 3:34 PM

What was the bolt pattern?

Jmorlan 03-07-2014 3:35 PM

5x4.5


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shawnmdarnell 03-07-2014 4:07 PM

I got a buddy selling the same set that will fit on your ford.

Jmorlan 03-08-2014 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnmdarnell (Post 1867511)
I got a buddy selling the same set that will fit on your ford.


I have a GM, but what size are they and lug pattern?
How much does he want for them


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shawnmdarnell 03-08-2014 5:45 PM

20X9 and 8X6.5 lug I think he wants 900.00

Jmorlan 03-08-2014 5:47 PM

Damn. I just have a lame half ton.
But if they were 22's and 6 lug, I'd buy em! Haha


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Jmorlan 03-13-2014 5:49 PM

Quick snap with the boat uncovered. Prepping ol girl for a voyage on Saturday
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...F371468F66.jpg


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dp513 03-14-2014 6:09 AM

Looks so good. I'm gonna call my boy at tcs suspension today and get a quote on some!

dp513 03-14-2014 6:10 AM

If anyone needs stock trailer wheels and tires hit me up :) mine are almost new and I'll sell em cheap!

Dmac420sj 03-14-2014 7:30 AM

How cheap?

dp513 03-14-2014 8:02 AM

Make me an offer Chris.

Dmac420sj 03-14-2014 8:04 AM

Tires are new

dp513 03-14-2014 8:05 AM

Ill text you some pics tonight when I get home

Jmorlan 03-31-2014 10:27 PM

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...AC9926E428.jpg

dp513 04-01-2014 6:16 AM

Looks bad ass. The wheels make it look so so much better. Guess I better order some lol

Jmorlan 04-16-2014 4:41 PM

A little thread update.
Getting my relaxation in while there are 40 damn contractors working in my house.

Remember that gray teak at the beginning of the thread? :)
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...62E7ACDD06.jpg

Jmorlan 05-17-2014 8:52 AM

Updated the trailer with all new LEDs and attached my rear ratchet straps.
Swim deck also looks 1000x better
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...AB5B8DF78B.jpg


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