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Jmorlan 08-26-2013 4:18 PM

Best reasonably priced amp option for a single Rev410
 
Sorry to be that guy, but I have found but one lonely thread from google about running ONE rev410.

I have narrowed down to an Arc 300.2, Arc 300.4, or a PPi 600.2.

Is there anything I'm missing?
I'm aiming for 300-400 rms.


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matt75 08-26-2013 7:01 PM

If using a 300.4, you'll leave a two channels unused (bridging two for the 410). I have a 300.2 bridged for a 410 and it screams. I use a 300.4 on two Rev 10's.

Don't know much about the PPi, so can't comment on that one.

Jmorlan 08-26-2013 7:20 PM

Do you have the rev threesome?
Which do you prefer the rev10s or 410?

I've been battling this decision all summer and I finally got some clarity between the two from a thread that David answered last week, which narrowed me to the 410 (I think)


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Jmorlan 08-26-2013 7:34 PM

I've learned about the PPI amps from here, and the 600.2 will give me 600w bridged at 4ohm. From what I've read seems like a winner at 140 bucks!


Do you have the rev threesome?
Which do you prefer the rev10s or 410?
Also, is this 400rms for the entire 410 unit?
I'm confused with wet sounds site with the rev10's as well. Is this 300rms for the pair? Meaning 150per speaker? Or 300 per speaker?


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v10rider 08-26-2013 9:52 PM

Rev10 is 300w rms per speaker so you need at 300 x 2. Keep in mind most amps are rated under perfect condition at 14.4v. Most of the time you'll be at 12.5v so now your 300 x 2 at 14.4 likely only push 220 x 2.

I'd get a 400 x 2 amp to drive the rev10.

Midnightv10 08-27-2013 6:41 AM

I would run the 300.2 on that 410

bmock50 08-27-2013 9:59 AM

I think a wet sounds ht-4 would work pretty well too

chpthril 08-27-2013 10:20 AM

For a single Rev-410, the HT-2 would deliver 2x the rms wattage then the HT-4

Jmorlan 08-27-2013 12:53 PM

Went down to acme tops and tunes this morning.
May have changed my mind from hearing a pair of 410's next to a pair of rev10s.
The pair of 410s sounded better no doubt in my mind, but I still have not heard a single 410 next to a pair of rev10s? A pair of 410s is out of the question.

David at earmark suggested that the projected volume of a 410 and a pair of rev10's is very similar, but the 410 having more mid bass.

The 410 DEFINITELY has a better midbass but I don't think a single 410 can beat volume and projection of a pair of rev10s after hearing what TWO rev410s sound like.

So, the trip this morning totally mind f****d me on the decision once more.
Up close, they sound very similar, but as the distance increases the differences become very clear, with the 410 having a much deeper bass, and the rev10 having a much brighter sound.

Back to square one. I think the rev threesome is definitely the best of both worlds, but at the cost of both units, and 2 amps coupled with not enough space on my tower. Won't happen.


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Jmorlan 09-14-2013 1:22 PM

Bringing this thread back from the dead, totally different plan, and my brains are whacked.

New boat, new system, new plan.

Caught between 2 pair of rev10, or the rev10 3 some.

What is the preference? I like the idea of the 3some, giving a bit of both worlds. Allowing the rev10's on the outside to be swiveled, while still being very loud, and receiving more mid bass from the 410 (at least I'm under that impression)

And all this can be powered by a single SD6 right? Id like to keep the amps to a minimum, unless I'm saving a ton of money breaking them up, then running multiple is fine.

Out of the SD6, if I end up changing my mind on the 410 down the road, this will also run 2 pair of Rev10 without a hitch correct?

chpthril 09-14-2013 1:48 PM

The preference is up to you. 2 pair Rev-10 is more volume at the end of a wake-board tow line and the Rev 3-Some is more mid-bass near field.

The 6 chnl SD-6 would not be the ideal amp to drive 2 pair of Rev-10. The ideal setup would be to swap the SD-6 for an SD-2 of you move away from the Rev 3-Some and go to a 2nd pair of Rev-10.

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 1:54 PM

When you say ideal, do you mean not possible basically at all, or it will work decent but the sd2 will work optimally.

If the situation were -
Wakeboard, sometimes.
Surf, often
Party on shore, anchor out, cruise, tie up - very often

What would you go with?

chpthril 09-14-2013 2:26 PM

4 speakers and 6 amp chnls. Amp output is 185W x 6 @ 4 ohm. This is not ideal power for Rev-10. No where near their potential. So possible, just not ideal.

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 2:34 PM

There's no way to get them to 2ohms and run 2 channels, or bridged?
Sure seems as wet sounds makes their sh** difficult and not very flexible so your only options are to buy more.

I was sold an sd4, that now I may be stuck with, what are my options with this heap?

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 2:47 PM

But the sd2 is similar to the arc 600.2 in that it has the ability to run either a single pair, or 2 pair optimally, correct?

chpthril 09-14-2013 4:25 PM

JM,

in bridge mode, the SD-6 is a 3 chnl amp and you are needing to power 4 speaker....you're 1 chnl shy.

Wet Sounds offers 3 lines of amp for a total 10 amps. How much more flexible do you need? 2 SD-6 amp would drive your 2 pair of Rev-10 and have 4 chnls for subs and in-boats, hows that?

If you have an SD-4 already, then stick with what ever plan you had at the time you decided to purchase it. Or use it for a sub and 2 pair of in-boats.

chpthril 09-14-2013 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1844937)
But the sd2 is similar to the arc 600.2 in that it has the ability to run either a single pair, or 2 pair optimally, correct?

Most 2 chnl amps are 2 ohm per chnl stable, so they can drive 2 pair of 4 ohm speakers.

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 4:34 PM

I'm just about screwed with the sd4. I bought it from a dealer where I bought my rev10's, and after explanation from the dealer was under the assumption I would get 4x340, not 4x185.
And that's the amp they set me up with, for a decent price.

Now I'm basically stuck with it, and now understand it won't put dick for power to my rev's.

So basically ill just use that for the in boats, but now I have way too much power for that use and am out a pretty penny.

Id be more than willing to just trade it off straight across for an arc 600.2 if someone would like.

How do I achieve this on the sd4
Mono @ 4 Ohms2 x 685 Watts @ 122A
If that can be achieved, that can power 4 rev10's no?

chpthril 09-14-2013 4:54 PM

Well, 4x320 is accurate, but thats the 2 ohm per chnl output. Im not trying to be an @$$, but it sounds like you got the cart before the horse when you purchased the amp for the tower speakers before the tower speaker choice was decided on.

The SD-4 will drive 2 pair of in-boats @ 160W rms to each and an nice 4 ohm 12" sub @ 685.

Or, stick with the pair of Rev-410's and SD-4 and each gets 685W.

Why trade anything until you have decided on exactly what your tower setup is? Is it the 3-some or 2 pair Rev-10?

A pair of 410's on the SD-4 will get 685W each or 2 pair of Rev-10 will get 185W each. Thats it with the SD-4.

Jmorlan 09-14-2013 5:01 PM

I bought 2 pair of rev10 and that amp at the same time.
The dealer had the amp as an open box, and told me it would be a great amp to power that set up, and gave me a discount price on the amp.
And while it was going on, I was thinking 4x340w

Not until later that night I was thinking, something wasn't right, and realized they would only get 185w each.
My subs are 1000w rms each. 2 DC 12's, so that idea is a good one, but not exactly viable.

Best option now is basically to use it for in boat speakers wired to 2 ohms, should power all 8 cabin speakers with some power to spare I suppose.

Or sell/trade it for something that will run 4 rev10's

Nordicron 09-15-2013 6:52 AM

I run 2 485's and have a bridged Rockford T-600 on each one. They are loud for sure. I would say whatever you get make sure you get one of the class D amps. My t-600's get hot hot hot! Next time I'll look really hard at that P600.2!

Jmorlan 09-15-2013 7:19 AM

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong here, but can't you wire each pair of rev10's in parallel?
Much like you would subs? If you had 2 single 4ohm subs, could you not parallel them to get a 2ohm load at the amp?

Or like my in boat speakers (at least this is the plan) there are 8 of them, I plan on wiring them in pairs parallel, to get the sd4 to put out 4x340w @ 2ohm, essentially allowing the 2 speakers on each channel to split the 340w between the two?
OR
wouldnt I be able to take each pair of rev10's and pos-pos, neg-neg, the amp seeing 2ohm, or is this amp not stable at 2chan at 2ohm?

shawndoggy 09-15-2013 7:33 AM

right... but bridging (running a 4 channel amp as a 2 channel) is already effectively doing the same thing. Which is why you can't go lower than 4 ohms on a bridged 4 channel.

That amp would work really well driving a pair of 410s. It'd be perfect. So maybe stick with the 410s idea but get a pair and no rev 10s and then your amp situation is settled.

I still think a consistent pull (perfect pass) is about 100x more important than a ridiculously loud stereo. And don't get me wrong, my stereo is pretty friggin loud.

Jmorlan 09-15-2013 7:49 AM

Fck it, ordered an sd2 and a WS420sq
What draws me to the revs is that they are able to swivel any direction.

And since we wakebard-sometimes
Surf- often
And party, cruise, tie up, anchor out etc - very often.

The swivel is appealing. Which is what brought the rev 3some idea. Allows me to have a pair of rev10's to move around, yet still gain some nice sounding mid bass from the 410.
But screw it, I have 2 12's getting 1000+w rms each, if they don't give me a nice sounding bass, then something is wrong.

So ill he running the in boats on the sd4 and the rev's on the sd2 and call it a day and quit worrying about it.
Put it on the credit card, it's only money right! Lol

Jmorlan 09-15-2013 7:52 AM

Question now is, what the hell will handle the power of that sd4 for in boat speakers? I ordered a pair of xs650's to fill the pair of 6.5 holes that I replaced these pos Pyle speakers with.
But I still have 6 6x9 holes that need to be dealt with. The db691 advertise 125w rms, and the 340w split to 2 is 170w each. Is this 340w at an ideal 14.4v load?
If so, at 12v will be less, and probably fine?

bryce2320 09-15-2013 8:18 AM

Could you make wetounds 808s fit in your 6x9 holes? Those would be awesome IMO

bass10after 09-15-2013 9:27 AM

you'd have the loudest in boats in the history of in boats in your boat.

http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/products/PRO696RS.html

bryce2320 09-15-2013 9:43 AM

That would be awesome!!!! ^^^^

wakebordr11 09-15-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass10after (Post 1844994)
you'd have the loudest in boats in the history of in boats in your boat.

http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/products/pro696rs.html

sick!

chpthril 09-15-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1844981)
Guys, correct me if I'm wrong here, but can't you wire each pair of rev10's in parallel?
Much like you would subs? If you had 2 single 4ohm subs, could you not parallel them to get a 2ohm load at the amp?

Or like my in boat speakers (at least this is the plan) there are 8 of them, I plan on wiring them in pairs parallel, to get the sd4 to put out 4x340w @ 2ohm, essentially allowing the 2 speakers on each channel to split the 340w between the two?
OR
wouldnt I be able to take each pair of rev10's and pos-pos, neg-neg, the amp seeing 2ohm, or is this amp not stable at 2chan at 2ohm?

Jm,

Yes, in theory, you can wire a pair of rev-10 in parallel to a 2 ohm load and wire that pair to a single amp chnl. But, any time you wire 2 speakers to a single chnl, they share the power. So if you are looking to get the 320W rms @ 2 ohm from the SD-4, your pair of Rev-10 would divide that and each get 160W rms. Thats down from running 185W rms each would get when wired to its own chnl.

As noted earlier, 185W rms is not the ideal, or target power, we shoot for with a speaker like the Rev-10. Does this mean it wont sound good, no. Does this mean you wont benefit from the larger driver of the rev-10, no. it just means you wont be able to push the speaker to its potential. To put it into perspective, we commonly drive 2 pair of 8" Rev-8 HLCDs with 175W rms on a Syn-2. They are more then audible at wake range. At the same power, the larger Rev-10 would have a little more output, just because of their size.


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