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Greeko 08-14-2013 3:03 PM

Rev 10 vs Rev 410
 
Ok everyone, This has been stated many times. I am on the cusp of a deal for a set of used rev410s and have had many conflicting opinions...

We use the boat for wakeboarding, surfing and a bit of partying..my present set of Rev 8's isn't cutting it...

Suggestions?

shawndoggy 08-14-2013 3:21 PM

Assuming you are comparing apples to apples (two pair of rev10s to one pair of 410s)....

With Rev10s on your tower you can leave a "lane" down the middle of the boat with max headroom, because you can mount the outside pair on the curve of the tower. With the 410s, you need to install on the flats on top, so you will have speakers right down the middle of the boat.

That's the only drawback I can think of to the 410s (assuming you've got powering them all figured out).

Greeko 08-14-2013 3:26 PM

Yes,

I was thinking of getting 2 pairs of Rev 10s..or 1 Pair Rev 8s ( i already own them) and 1 Pair Rev 10s. But this deal fell upon my lap of 2 Rev 410s...

The Rev 410s would require a bit different Amplification but I am confident that I can muster 500-600 WRMS per Rev410

I would be throwing 400x2 at the Rev 10 pair

ryanw209 08-15-2013 12:03 PM

If you end up with the rev410's and need a new amp I have a SD4 in the classifieds that would get you the max out of them. Would give you 685w per 410.

david_e_m 08-16-2013 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Greeko (Post 1839001)
Ok everyone, This has been stated many times. I am on the cusp of a deal for a set of used rev410s and have had many conflicting opinions...

We use the boat for wakeboarding, surfing and a bit of partying..my present set of Rev 8's isn't cutting it...

Suggestions?

Here are a few of the differences between the Wetsounds Rev10 and the Rev410. From here you can decide which attributes fit your particular tower and application the best. Both have advantages in different scenarios.
The Rev410 has slightly more surface area on the midbass drivers because the cones are continuous and sealed. Because of the pod shape, the pod displacement of one Rev410 is slightly larger than that of a pair of Rev10s. So as a result the Rev410 has a slight advantage in midbass extension.
The Rev410 has a comparatively huge tweeter diaphram/voice coil and motor. The Rev410 has a more developed horn architecture with no parallel surfaces. The Rev410 horn tweeter has a lower resonance and reaches deeper into the midrange. So as a result, the Rev410 has a smoother transition between the midbass drivers and the compression horn tweeter. It's really tough, if not impossible, to beat this speaker for HLCD sound quality from a purist standpoint.
The Rev10 is a bit more aggressive on the highest octave so percussion and upper harmonics may sound a bit more distinctive, not necessarily more accurate, but just a bit more accentuated. And honestly, many listeners prefer a bit more aggression at both extremes of the music spectrum. So this small difference is actually welcomed by most.
The average output of one pair of Rev10s and a single Rev410 is essentially the same. The peak output favors the Rev10. Sure, the pair of Rev10s has two tweeter/horns...while the Rev410 has one...but the 410 tweeter/horn is more substantial in every respect. It really gets back to the subtle tonal differences, and not an output difference.
A horizontal array of Rev10s with swivel collars on the outside give you the ability on some towers to fan out the array. This has two advantages. You can widen the dispersion outside the wake and also lessen the impact of off-axis comb filtering (off-axis cancellations that manifest as narrow bandwidth response peaks and valleys as you move out wide). This also keeps the sound from beaming down the middle as much. Plus, the fanned outside speakers are directed more away from the occupants at the rear of the cockpit.
This makes a pretty good case for the Wetsounds 3-Some, giving you all the 'pros' without any of the 'cons'.
Normally the 3-Some gets wired L, Bridged, Right. But, depending on the specific tower and speaker arrangement, L, R, L can work out better, or you can go Mono all the way across.

David

Greeko 08-19-2013 3:35 PM

Thank you very much for the Information David, That gave me a good idea of where to start with..sounds like you almost favor the Rev 410 for your ear...

david_e_m 08-19-2013 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Greeko (Post 1839961)
Thank you very much for the Information David, That gave me a good idea of where to start with..sounds like you almost favor the Rev 410 for your ear...

Yes, that would be a true statement in my case for near field listening at rest. Makes absolutlely no difference at wake range with high exhaust noise. Either way, these are your top two choices in an HLCD. Everything else is an 8-inch in a much smaller pod or a clumsy proaxial with a raw compression driver and no horn flare.

David

Jmorlan 08-21-2013 9:31 PM

I am in the middle of this decision now as well. I can get a decent deal on a set of Rev8's, but at that point might as well go big or go home and do rev10 or rev410.

my concern is more volume projection, as a large amount of time is spent anchored, partying, tied up, etc

which is better for projecting a clean, loud volume at longer distances in a larger area? the rev10 or 410?

david_e_m 08-22-2013 7:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1840479)
I am in the middle of this decision now as well. I can get a decent deal on a set of Rev8's, but at that point might as well go big or go home and do rev10 or rev410.

my concern is more volume projection, as a large amount of time is spent anchored, partying, tied up, etc

which is better for projecting a clean, loud volume at longer distances in a larger area? the rev10 or 410?

There are near field tonal differences between the two speakers as I described above. But the average output at a great distance for two Rev10s versus one Rev410 (having nearly the equal surface area) is about the same.
It will take six 8-inch speakers to overcome the output of four 10-inch speakers, yet a greater quantity of smaller speakers in smaller pods will still fall short in midbass extension. So it's more cost-effectient to run fewer, larger speakers if that were the only concern.

David


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