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wake2snow 07-05-2013 6:48 AM

Mxz 22 w/surf gate vs X-2 surf wake w/surf tabs
 
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X-2 wake

Attachment 30653
MXZ-22 wake

Here are picture of the two wakes with the exact same weight set up and the exact same number of people. Obviously you can tell the X-2 has a way better wake then the MXZ-22

JayManAR 07-05-2013 7:00 AM

Welp that pretty much settles it then. Flawless scientific research right there...

wake2snow 07-05-2013 7:05 AM

I mean it kind of does wake speaks louder then words Jay. Set two boats up exactly the same and see what wake is better!

chpthril 07-05-2013 7:20 AM

Why not set both boats up to produce their best wake, then compare? Since they are totally different hull shapes and design, you can not assume they will need to be weighted the same.

LYNRDSKYNRD 07-05-2013 7:27 AM

This ^

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JayManAR 07-05-2013 7:33 AM

Wake speaks louder than words? Hahaha, that's classic.. Putting equal weight in two completely different boats doesn't really tell you anything.

wake2snow 07-05-2013 7:38 AM

Tigemike you can do that when you are using just stock ballast and when each company claims you only need stock ballast and their surf gate or surf tabs to make a great surf wake.

cjh1669 07-05-2013 7:46 AM

What is the stock ballast of the X2, does that mxz have PNP and if so what bags?

xstarrider 07-05-2013 7:47 AM

That x 2 wake is nice but you can't compare the two boats with identical weight setups and base their "ultimate" surf wakes on that. The MXZ is 22ft with a ton of space for bags. The X 2 is 20ft with a great amount of storage for a 20ft'r. Of course it will produce a bit better surf wake with the same ballast. The key is how much more can you add to the MXZ and keep it clean compared to that of the X2. Spending tons of time in both boats (on the goofy side) the MXZ has way more potential and gets a much bigger and longer pocket with surfgate. EVEN WITHOUT SURFGATE it's bigger and longer. It's a great comparison, but again it complete misses the mark because theMXZ will take way more weight and keep ramping up the wake a ton more than the X2 . The X2 hits a point where it's "maxed out " so to speak way quicker than the MXZ

As far as the test above. ....... An X2 vs VTX comparison would be right on target set up just like above

chattwake 07-05-2013 7:56 AM

wake2snow logic:

Each of these women weighs 150lbs. They are all wearing the same outfits. The one on the left cooks the best waffles. Case closed.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...one/150lbs.jpg

chattwake 07-05-2013 8:08 AM

Ok. How about another example. Here are two pictures. One shows a rat on a surfboard: http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/.../Surfing-s.jpg

Here's one that shows an orangutan on a surfboard:
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/monkey_surfing.jpg

Both animals breath oxygen and both are on surfboards. Rodent's are better surfers than primates. It's science.

simplej 07-05-2013 8:10 AM

because fanboy.

this thread is near as useless as the g23 vs xstar thread.

wake2snow 07-05-2013 8:14 AM

We aren't testing the "ultimate surf wake" here and if we were we would of used a different boat. We are testing out of the box surf wake and obviously yes we all can put extra weight to surf a bigger wake, but why when you can get a great stock surf wake is all I'm getting at for the average person buying the boat.

simplej 07-05-2013 8:18 AM

if you want an out of the box surf wake, why add extra weight?

this thread has no purpose but do senselessly bash malibu on the behalf of your fan boy opinion.

cjh1669 07-05-2013 8:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake2snow (Post 1831847)
We aren't testing the "ultimate surf wake" here and if we were we would of used a different boat. We are testing out of the box surf wake and obviously yes we all can put extra weight to surf a bigger wake, but why when you can get a great stock surf wake is all I'm getting at for the average person buying the boat.

Why are you comparing a 20 ft boat to a 22 ft boat?

JayManAR 07-05-2013 8:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chattwake (Post 1831842)
Both animals breath oxygen and both are on surfboards. Rodent's are better surfers than primates. It's science.

It took me several minutes to stop laughing. Thanks for making the day better, Chatt.

Nordicron 07-05-2013 8:26 AM

Was all ballast full in the MXc? Was it all full on the x2 or was the x2 favored to port ballast?

Nordicron 07-05-2013 8:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chattwake (Post 1831841)
wake2snow logic:

Each of these women weighs 150lbs. They are all wearing the same outfits. The one on the left cooks the best waffles. Case closed.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...one/150lbs.jpg

I find it hard to believe that 5'11 girl is only a buck fifty. That's a big girl! Got some meat on them bones!

chpthril 07-05-2013 8:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake2snow (Post 1831835)
Tigemike you can do that when you are using just stock ballast and when each company claims you only need stock ballast and their surf gate or surf tabs to make a great surf wake.

You can if you want, but I havent met a surf boat yet that didnt want or need additional ballast somewhere in the boat that was above and beyond what was offered from the factory. Dont take that is im saying a boat is not surfable with only stock, because many are and they produce a decent wake. But to get the absolute best surf wake out of a boat, you will need to add some somewhere.

What you have done it this: You took Jimmy Johnson's Chevy setup for one 1.5 mile track that he runs great at and put the exact same setup (tire pressure, camber, caster, toe, spring rubber, track bar, shock damping, coil spring rate, weight distribution, etc) and put it in Kyle Busch's Toyota and then point a finger at the one that has the slower lap time. These cars have different aerodynamics and a different center of gravity. They need a totally different setup, which is why they are allowed to.

austin 07-05-2013 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjh1669 (Post 1831849)
Why are you comparing a 20 ft boat to a 22 ft boat?

Ha ha, this is the whole reason I even clicked on this thread to read it. The thread title made me curious why anyone would be comparing an X-2 to an MXZ 22! :P After reading the thread, I'm still not sure why, but I suspect the answer is just fanboyism.

chpthril 07-05-2013 8:59 AM

Quote:

We are testing out of the box surf wake
So which it? You stated both boats are set up with identical weight. Now you are saying that you are testing them with only their available stock ballast? Thats not you in both of those pics. Did you actually do this or did you just grab some pics off the net at face value?

501s 07-05-2013 8:59 AM

Something to think about: Not everyone who has a wakeboat and surfs is the type to post on WW and put 3000 lbs in their boat just to surf. They buy their boats from a dealer, go to the lake and want to surf. They aren't into overloading their boat with a ton of weight just to play. Everyone on here knows that boats need more weight to reach their potential, but the average user isn't looking for the "world class wave" they just want to have fun and hopefully drop the rope. I think their should be more average or factory setups posted. This is how most average owners use their boats, imo.

wake2snow 07-05-2013 9:13 AM

I'm not a fan boy these were two boats I was considering buying and I bought the x-2 hands down and those wakes are stock ballast with a 11 people in the boat and the x-2 had more room then the mxz did. I'm no expert on surfing so I wanted the easiest and fastest set up surf wake and the x-2 met my expectations. I apologize for my comparison I was just trying to share my experience with everyone. I just didn't think people would be so rude on this website but oh well have a nice day.

wake2snow 07-05-2013 9:16 AM

tigemike those are my cousins

stang_killa_ss 07-05-2013 12:05 PM

can we get pics of the squirel on water skis?
that would complete this thread i think....

wakebordr11 07-05-2013 9:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake2snow (Post 1831867)
I'm not a fan boy these were two boats I was considering buying and I bought the x-2 hands down and those wakes are stock ballast with a 11 people in the boat and the x-2 had more room then the mxz did. I'm no expert on surfing so I wanted the easiest and fastest set up surf wake and the x-2 met my expectations. I apologize for my comparison I was just trying to share my experience with everyone. I just didn't think people would be so rude on this website but oh well have a nice day.

Post some pics of your new boat. Would love to see!

nitrousbird 07-06-2013 11:56 AM

Fan boy, bottom line. If the OP was actually not trying to be a fanboi, he would have compared an X2 to a 20 MXZ, which would be a direct comparison.

I also love the very different picture angles, different people riding and no specific information.

WakeDirt 07-06-2013 10:11 PM

The NDSL (National Dog Surf League) is looking for an official tow boat....X2 is a clear-cut winner
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JetRanger 07-07-2013 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WakeDirt (Post 1832039)
The NDSL (National Dog Surf League) is looking for an official tow boat....X2 is a clear-cut winner
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The MXZ is the lame duck in Malibu's lineup. It has none of Malibu's trademark tacky carpet assortment glued to a plywood frame, it has the least cabin space of any 22' boat, no bow storage, doesn't surf or wakeboard particularly well, and is aesthetically a disaster due to the disproportion of bow space to cabin space. It actually looks like the tower is anchored to the engine compartment. The fact that the MXZ22 can't beat MC's lowly X2 in a direct comparison is and should be an embarrassment to everyone who counts themselves part of The Malibu Crew.

tn_rider 07-07-2013 5:14 AM

The 22MXZ doesn't wakeboard well?? Your crazy. The MXZ has a phenomenal wakeboard wake. I want whatever your smoking/tripping on. Gotta be some good stuff.

johnny_defacto 07-07-2013 11:20 AM

doesn't surf or wakeboard particularly well....

such a toll, Jet boy, and this after you had an ACTUAL informative post somewhere over in the x-46 thread, i think.

Chase, don't fall for this, he is just playing. He has seen the Red Bull video behind the mxz 22 with the riders boostin as well as pictures of Jay's CIE mxz's wake.

Don't feed the turtles....


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