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floorx4 06-14-2013 12:22 PM

Wetsounds Threesome Amplifiers
 
I am looking to add a pair of Rev10's to my tower. I already have a Rev410 on it.. The problem is how to power the Rev10's. The boat already has 4 amps as listed:
JL Audio XD400/4 powering 2 pair of JL Audio 7.7 components
JL Audio XD600/1 powering a pair of JL audio 10 inch free air marine subs
JL Audio XD600/1 powering a JL 10 w6 sub in a bandpass enclosure: This thing rocks.
Wetsounds Syn2 powering my Rev410. And this thing rocks.

With 4 amps I am worried about adding a 5th. Ideally I would add the Syn4 bridged to power the REV10's. The other option is to remove the Syn2 and replace with an SD6 to power the pair of REV10's and the Rev410. The concern with that is now the Rev410 has a little less going to it and I really love how it is dialed in right now. Also the SD6 is much more expensive than just buying a Syn 4.

What recommendations do you all have? Cost is definitely a huge factor so the SD6 really looks unappealing. I appreciate any and all advice. Thanks all.

david_e_m 06-14-2013 12:40 PM

I don't think you will hear much of a difference between a Syn2/4 combo and an SD2 on a 3-Some. It's really a matter of the footprint versus the cost.

David
Earmark Marine

floorx4 06-14-2013 5:01 PM

Dave,

Thanks. I always highly value your advice. What about power draw? If I had the 5th amp I will probably drain my batteries much faster. Right now I seem to have a pretty great reserve. What do you think? GF

david_e_m 06-14-2013 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by floorx4 (Post 1828020)
Dave,

Thanks. I always highly value your advice. What about power draw? If I had the 5th amp I will probably drain my batteries much faster. Right now I seem to have a pretty great reserve. What do you think? GF

The actual number of amplifiers will have no real impact on current draw as there is only several amps difference at idle as you add an amplifier. The current draw will be from the total power regardless of the number of amplifiers, the efficiency of the topology (whether Class AB, H or D for example), and the efficiency resulting from the load (as you lower the load impedance all amplifiers will operate less efficiently).

David
Earmark Marine

floorx4 06-14-2013 6:39 PM

Dave,

Thanks. I always highly value your advice. What about power draw? If I add the 5th amp I will probably drain my batteries much faster. Right now I seem to have a pretty great reserve. What do you think? GF

floorx4 06-14-2013 6:49 PM

Dave,

Couple more questions. Are the SD amps a lot more efficient and would that help? Or not worth it at this point since I already have a Syn2 so buying a Syn4 now would be much more cost effective?
Also, if SYN4 is the best option at this point should I consider JL HD750/1? Thanks for all of your help. I will be calling Odin in the next few weeks.

chpthril 06-14-2013 7:58 PM

George,

I recently switched from the Syn-4/Syn-2 Rev 3-Some to the SD-6 as you are contemplating. I did not detect a difference in output from the Rev-410 going from 700W rms to 585 RMS. There is a difference in out put on the rev-10's going from the Syn-4 to the SD-6, but is dialed back in order to balance the 3-Some.

Space: a single SD-6 will take up less space then a Syn-2 and Syn-4.
Current draw: A single SD-6 is more total watts RMS then the Syn-4/Syn-2 and more efficient.

Not a huge difference between the 2 setups current draw wise. If you can either sell or reuse the current Syn-2, then go with the SD-6. If not, just add a Syn-4

floorx4 06-16-2013 8:15 PM

Thanks Dave and TigeMike. I really appreciate the responses and advice.

I am leaning toward adding the extra amp with all the info that has been provided. Now I am wondering can an argument be made to add the JL HD750/1 over the Syn4 or vice versa? I really like my JL amps and since the JL HD750/1 is a class D instead of a class H does that mean it will be more efficient?

I would appreciate more advice. Thanks GF

david_e_m 06-17-2013 10:35 AM

Well the Syn4, being Class H is going to be a big improvement over Class AB. Class D is certainly more efficent than Class H. But the Class D to Class H comparison is a much smaller gap than between H and AB which is a big one.
The HD750/1 is a little more power and the HD750/1 is strictly regulated so it maintains its full power even with a voltage supply reduction.
So now you have introduced three scenarios in order of power and cost.
SD6. Class D.
Syn4/2 combo. Class H.
Two HD750/1s. Class D. (and strictly regulated).
Each one becomes progressively more powerful and progressively more expensive.
Comaparable values considering the power and cost differences.
Since you haven't doubled you power with any choice, it's not going to be a 'WOW' difference.

David
Earmark Marine

floorx4 06-17-2013 12:47 PM

Dave,

Once again you always have the most informative posts. The option missed is that of me keeping my Syn2 for the Rev410 and just buying 1 more amp. Either the Syn4 or the JL HD750/1.

Is there a draw back to running a Syn2 to Rev410 and a JL HD750/1 to a pair of Rev10's type setup?

david_e_m 06-17-2013 4:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floorx4 (Post 1828339)
Dave,

Once again you always have the most informative posts. The option missed is that of me keeping my Syn2 for the Rev410 and just buying 1 more amp. Either the Syn4 or the JL HD750/1.

Is there a draw back to running a Syn2 to Rev410 and a JL HD750/1 to a pair of Rev10's type setup?

No serious draw back. One amplifier would change power from a 13.5 supply (maximum voltage when underway) to 12.0 volt supply (minimum voltage when at rest) while the other would not. And it's a difference that is on the threshold of audibility at rest but not audible when underway. So you would be setting the gains in the middle at 12.7 volts as to cut any differential in half.
If I started with the Syn amplifier I might stay with the Syn line just for cosmetic uniformity. It may not be a technical reason but it would weigh in for me.

David
Earmark Marine

DEMENTEch 06-23-2013 12:07 PM

David,

Which would be the BEST amps set up to running (1) Rev410 and (6) Rev10 ?...
(2) SD6 ??...

Thanks in advance!


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