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simplej 06-09-2013 8:29 PM

2014 product rumors
 
what have you heard for 2014??

i have heard at least one big one from tige including a new RZ2 with enhanced focus on wakeboarding that i wasn't supposed to break but someone on the owners board posted it.

and at least 2 major announcements from nautique that i don't have permission to break yet...

wakebordr11 06-09-2013 9:05 PM

So Nautique will unveil the G21? What else... only logical thought is that they attempt to enter the budget wake market?

durty_curt 06-09-2013 10:20 PM

New Hulls For The 210 230 And pretty Much Both Will Be redesigned. Best Of All, No More Hydro Gate!

501s 06-09-2013 10:24 PM

X-46 is about to be released by MC. Replacement for the X45. Sounds like it will be a sweet boat.

alexair 06-10-2013 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durty_curt (Post 1826761)
New Hulls For The 210 230 And pretty Much Both Will Be redesigned. Best Of All, No More Hydro Gate!

They opened own eyes and saw how gates not works - unbelievable!:eek:

LKASurfing 06-10-2013 5:57 AM

Centurion FX44 with Rapid fill Ballast....complete surf ballast, with no pumps or bags!, all hard tanks! Fill in 1.5 minutes!!!

Nordicron 06-10-2013 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexair (Post 1826775)
They opened own eyes and saw how gates not works - unbelievable!:eek:


Not sure if you have any first hand experience but the gates do work. I can absolutely tell from the shape of the wake what position the gate is in while behind my boat. You can also feel the back of the boat move when you adjust the gate.

chattwake 06-10-2013 6:49 AM

Feel sorry for all those who bought 230's this year. Resale may not be as good as it has been in the past.

Big things coming from Axis this year.

williamburell 06-10-2013 6:55 AM

Mastercraft is coming out with a econo line using the 205v hull. They will use analog gauges, plug n play ballast, removable carpet, simple 2 tone gel designs, and is expected to run 50-56 out the door.........


Boat will be called the X-you miss

Dmac420sj 06-10-2013 7:30 AM

Hey chatt how come every time I see a axis thread it makes me wanna sling my v210 and buy one?

MattieK27 06-10-2013 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamburell (Post 1826787)
Mastercraft is coming out with a econo line using the 205v hull. They will use analog gauges, plug n play ballast, removable carpet, simple 2 tone gel designs, and is expected to run 50-56 out the door.........


Boat will be called the X-you miss

LOL!

I think the 205V is done forever, but I have heard a few times about an econo-replacement. Time will tell...

X46 is about to be released, and the new ProStar is finally on its way... (Longer wait than the new Xstar for those that don't ski)

Looking forward to seeing the new stuff from Nautique.

chattwake 06-10-2013 9:58 AM

Chris,

They are great boats. I'm sure you're v210 is awesome as well. I wouldn't blame you for wanting to swap for an A22 though. The wake is really nice!

williamburell 06-10-2013 10:02 AM

Quote:

I think the 205V is done forever, but I have heard a few times about an econo-replacement. Time will tell...

X46 is about to be released, and the new ProStar is finally on its way... (Longer wait than the new Xstar for those that don't ski)

Looking forward to seeing the new stuff from Nautique.
I know but thinking about a new 205 gets me jittery. Pretty sure any rumors about the econo line are just that. Everyone I have talked to says its not going to happen. The new prostar is far overdue but in reality those are well designed boats that just need a few tweaks. Hopefully they don't get too cute with it.

SESanger 06-10-2013 8:14 PM

Some new stuff coming from Sanger for 2014 as well, but not letting any details out just yet.

simplej 06-10-2013 8:18 PM

Axis needs to get back to its price point roots at least here in my area.

I think nautique is going to shake the 22+ ft boat market to the core...

tn_rider 06-10-2013 8:29 PM

Chatt...A24??

wakewoody 06-10-2013 8:43 PM

I have been told that the Malibu LSV is going to get a big makeover, and a 24 non pickle fork axis!

ralph 06-10-2013 9:10 PM

Be super nice to see something new from Sanger

tyler97217 06-10-2013 9:11 PM

Nothing from the Supra camp???? I heard they were doing their 2014 photo shoot this past week.....

superair502 06-10-2013 9:24 PM

Someone posted on axis forums the possibility of an a24

rexlex01 06-10-2013 11:37 PM

http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

http://www.wake.co.nz/features/article_xtrek.php

bwake 06-11-2013 2:20 AM

Anything from exile.

ripr 06-11-2013 3:39 AM

New Supra model in 2014.

jhartt3 06-11-2013 6:05 AM

i really like the pavati boats... 21' with a trailer for 60k. very intrigued.

tn_rider 06-11-2013 6:59 AM

Any wet sounds info?

runin90lx 06-11-2013 9:31 AM

new Centurion features

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CF9_-q4TbF8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

FunkyBunch 06-11-2013 10:11 AM

Bill that Cats thing looks killer. They had a lot of stuff in there but that was just awesome been waiting for something like that.

runin90lx 06-11-2013 10:17 AM

yes that is pretty badass! ive never been a big fan of centurion but that is a pretty sweet addition for them.

boardjnky4 06-11-2013 11:21 AM

The cats system is a REALLY good idea to clean up the wake. I boarded behind a 233 last year, and with the boat full of people, we had a difficult time cleaning it up on both sides (Deep V boats are temperamental that way). Ramfill looks like it fills crazy fast too.

Looks like Centurion is stepping their game up and building a boat that can both surf and wakeboard with the best of them.

dhill 06-11-2013 11:39 AM

love the cats idea, would pay to have that on my 230 today. tired of having people move or adding/removing ballast.

tyler97217 06-11-2013 12:18 PM

Supra and Moomba both supposedly have new models, but it is just Facebook gossip. Not sure anything about them or seen pics. I know they just had their photo shoots last week, so maybe rumors will surface soon. Fair to say with the success of the Mojo and the SA they will have smaller versions maybe??????

newwhit 06-11-2013 12:19 PM

doesn't the CATS system do the same thing as the surf gate and NSS? I am not trying to diss, just wondering. they all "crab walk" the boat, right? if not, please let me know. either way if it works, i like it!!!

wakereviews 06-11-2013 12:59 PM

Very cool stuff there from Centurion!

FunkyBunch 06-11-2013 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newwhit (Post 1827261)
doesn't the CATS system do the same thing as the surf gate and NSS? I am not trying to diss, just wondering. they all "crab walk" the boat, right? if not, please let me know. either way if it works, i like it!!!

It looks like cats is more of a fine tuning system not full on surfgate or nss. Also both those systems do not deploy at wakeboard speeds.

ripr 06-11-2013 1:44 PM

Lots of refinements in the Supra line up....the direction of the brand is continuing its migration to the next level. Look for an exciting new model or two in the Supra AND Moomba line up.

Colors, graphics, trailers, interiors etc all looking swell!

wake26 06-11-2013 1:46 PM

Some pretty cool stuff from Centurian but from the prices that I just looked at most of the new Enzos were 70k and up. Know with all the new stuff you are know looking at a boat most likely 90k and up. All of these new boat models coming out with all these cool features, but to me they are making them a pipe dream for most people. But I sure do like seeing all the new ideas coming out.

whiteflashwatersports1 06-11-2013 2:08 PM

That cats system looks sweet. It would be so nice to clean up the wakeboard wake without moving people and ballast around. The RZR is very "tippy"

Fiveflat 06-11-2013 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tn_rider (Post 1827047)
Chatt...A24??

Don't spread rumors... :D

simplej 06-11-2013 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteflashwatersports1 (Post 1827302)
That cats system looks sweet. It would be so nice to clean up the wakeboard wake without moving people and ballast around. The RZR is very "tippy"

This. Nobody sneeze. A 125 lb cube fixed that right up for me

Dmac420sj 06-11-2013 3:37 PM

Pavatis wake looks horrible!!

wakebordr11 06-11-2013 4:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simplej (Post 1827325)
This. Nobody sneeze. A 125 lb cube fixed that right up for me

On the fly man... You have the girls in your boat moving around? Much less getting up to move while under way identifying a washy wake, or moving a 125lb brick 6inches?

No need to yell at anyone or to direct traffic or instruct movement of weight. Seems pretty ingenious to me...

simplej 06-11-2013 5:01 PM

Oh it is ingenious, I was sharing a solution with another RZR owner.

wakebordr11 06-11-2013 6:08 PM

Ah yes. Didn't see that last part of his quote...

I wonder how this tuneable CATs system affects the size of the wake... it is creating lift on the side of the boat that is heavy it seems - similar to a trim tab, but doesn't look like wake shape is affected... If shape stays the same, is the size the same as an evenly weighted boat if the weight in each boat is the same? My mind says no... but I wonder what the real world implications are...

ralph 06-12-2013 1:18 PM

Isn't the cat a turnable front skeg? If so it's not creating lift but crab.

tonyv420 06-12-2013 4:20 PM

How hard would it be to put on a home made turnable skeg? Seems like it would be pretty easy to fab...

markj 06-13-2013 12:52 AM

Back to the OP's question, the factory rep who was dragging around the G25 for demo days last year told me that we would see the G21 in June/July of this year. We'll see.

ripr 06-13-2013 5:32 AM

There's also a new Moomba model in the line up this year!

polarbill 06-13-2013 8:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripr (Post 1827641)
There's also a new Moomba model in the line up this year!

Maybe a mini mojo?

ripr 06-13-2013 9:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1827672)
Maybe a mini mojo?

With the overall success of the Mojo and how well people have received it, I think it would make sense that they would want to continue that formula either up the line or down the line as far as size is concerned. I think we'll all find out soon!

But, knowing those out of the box thinking design team at Skiers Choice these days, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something total new!

06-16-2013 3:07 AM

I'm hearing a few changes to Nautiques 2014 line up!

Jmaxymek 06-16-2013 12:43 PM

Sounds like a smaller Mojo and a new design from Supra. X-46 is supposed to follow the same shape as 10,30 and Star. Really excited to see that one.

ktrent 06-16-2013 7:33 PM

Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.

durty_curt 06-16-2013 9:45 PM

Tigé Will Be dropping PCM And Replacing There power Plant With Indmar For 2014

polarbill 06-16-2013 9:48 PM

that is interesting. MB and Tige dropping PCM in favor of indmar recently. Will Nautique be the only company using PCM at this point?

lionel 06-16-2013 9:51 PM

Centurion runs PCM

wakebordr11 06-16-2013 10:08 PM

Wonder why that is? Price?

simplej 06-17-2013 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1828252)
Wonder why that is? Price?

I would think, Indmar lost a cash cow in MC and is probably pricing aggressively to rebuild that lost sales. Not like any of us will see it on the back end though...

krbaugh 06-17-2013 7:02 AM

Centurion has been using PCM since 2010!

cjh1669 06-17-2013 8:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktrent (Post 1828214)
Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.

The new LSV will have the same hull as the current, but man the changes on it's upper hull give it a bit more aggressive look. I think most people will love the new look

steveo142 06-17-2013 6:49 PM

I wish MB would put somthing out on there 14's.... havent heard anything.

ktrent 06-17-2013 7:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjh1669 (Post 1828296)
The new LSV will have the same hull as the current, but man the changes on it's upper hull give it a bit more aggressive look. I think most people will love the new look

That's what I have heard as well. Why change perfection I guess. It will be awesome I am sure.

jimmyd 06-17-2013 8:41 PM

http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

What in the world are they thinking having people riding in that transom seat and drinking beer??

Great advertising pavati. Good luck with those lawsuits.

wakebordr11 06-17-2013 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyd (Post 1828429)
http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

What in the world are they thinking having people riding in that transom seat and drinking beer??

Great advertising pavati. Good luck with those lawsuits.

Just like Mastercraft surf seats, its called benchmarking ;)

Bow looks shallow, not very secure...

DatTexasBoy 06-19-2013 5:12 PM

Axis 2014 A24 is confirmed and SurfGate is confirmed. 2014 Vandall with SurfGate ORDERED!!!!!

superair502 06-20-2013 9:37 AM

I'm waiting to see what the a24 will look like? Just like the a22 and a20 or a little update?

jimmyd 06-20-2013 9:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1828436)
Just like Mastercraft surf seats, its called benchmarking ;)

Bow looks shallow, not very secure...

I don't believe mastercraft advertises those stern seats as surf seats being that they are not nmma certified to be in use while the boat is in motion.

you_da_man 06-20-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superair502 (Post 1828956)
I'm waiting to see what the a24 will look like? Just like the a22 and a20 or a little update?

Called my dealer yesterday about it and he said they will be going to a demo of the new A24 in the next month or so.

lftaylor 06-22-2013 12:54 PM

Supra has some really cool stuff for 2014. Should start seeing it within the next several weeks.

JDboarder05 06-22-2013 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktrent (Post 1828214)
Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.

Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag

cjh1669 06-22-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDboarder05 (Post 1829427)
Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag

I've seen them in action, they don't work near as well as NSS or surfgate.

ktrent 06-23-2013 8:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDboarder05 (Post 1829427)
Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag

dude.... surf tabs, aren't those cute. come on man do your really thing surf tabs from MC are even in the same category as Surf Gate or NSS.

RideGull 06-23-2013 9:05 AM

Nautique has some pretty sweet stuff. New interior, new graphic, new gel lines. Glad I didn't get a G this spring, the 2014s look way better

And I'm excited to see the x46 in person. Although it has seating similar to the x14v which seems weird.
Also wish the xstar would get new lines and graphic already

durty_curt 06-23-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RideGull (Post 1829488)
Nautique has some pretty sweet stuff. New interior, new graphic, new gel lines. Glad I didn't get a G this spring

Metallic purple. Nuff Said

durty_curt 06-23-2013 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lftaylor (Post 1829420)
Supra has some really cool stuff for 2014. Should start seeing it within the next several weeks.

Supra Version Of The G...

chattwake 06-24-2013 7:28 AM

^^^ the Gojo?

durty_curt 06-24-2013 7:42 AM

Hahaha

JamesHawk101 06-24-2013 9:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durty_curt (Post 1829616)
Metallic purple. Nuff Said

I've seen a G23 in that color. Man is it sweet.

Fiveflat 06-24-2013 9:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy (Post 1828844)
Axis 2014 A24 is confirmed and SurfGate is confirmed. 2014 Vandall with SurfGate ORDERED!!!!!

I'd like to see where the A24 news has been officially released?

polarbill 06-24-2013 10:30 AM

Has the middle class boater almost completely dissapeared? At least as far as new boats go? Apparently the real upper class is the only thing supporting these new boats. You would think there would be some room for a real entry level priced boat but those don't seem to even sell that well until you add all the crazy option anyways that push it up into the crazy price range.

I wonder if the world of cable parks is really going to start catching on in the U.S.? It seems like the only way to get the middle class and upper middle class into the sport.

Can anybody tell me what the build cost is of a 21' wakeboat. I am talking strictly just the parts,labor, overhead for an individual boat. Does a 21' boat cost more than 25k to build? I know you have to factor other things in like mold design and maintanance cost but still. Aren't most boats built in just a couple days from start to finish? Labor can't cost much more than a couple grand can it? I mean it isn't like a shop rate of $100 an hour. I am guessing most boat builders make less than $20/hour. Even if it takes 3 people, 3 8 hour days that is only about $1500 in labor. Is there 20k in parts in most of these boats that don't have LCD screens? I was told by Mike Brendell that a new mold cost somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million. I would hope they get at least 500 boats out of each mold before it needs to be completely redesigned. 500,000/500=$1000 per boat produced. Is there huge insurance costs that go into operating a boat manufacturing facility? You can't add freight as that gets added on after the fact anyway.

It seems like the boat builder's must make a pretty hefty margin unless they are spending an insane amount of money on marketing(I would consider sales reps as part of the marketing portion). Is there a huge amount of dollar allocation to warranty potential?

Sorry for my off topic rambling. I just kind of wonder where this industry is going. I know one thing that is popping up around Seattle is peer to peer boat sharing. Seattle is an incredibly expensive place to buy and use a boat. For those that actually live in the city most wouldn't have the space to keep on a trailer on their property. That means mooring or putting in dry stacks. Dry stacks are about $300+ a month and most require a 12 month lease. That means you pay $3600/year to use your boat 4 months or so a year. For actual months you use the boat it breaks down to about $900/month to be able to use your boat in the city. That is craziness. Boat sharing seems to be a way to get more people into boating without having to shell out that kind of dough. Even if you pay $400 a day to use a boat you get to use it 9 times a year before you even get to the point where you would pay for the storage of the boat.

CarZin 06-24-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Has the middle class boater almost completely dissapeared?
It has for people unwlling to finance. The age of cheap financing is 'the' major reason for boat price inflation. But there are some good things that come from that as well. Better resale being the big one.

Partnerships are a good way, as well. My last airplane was in a partnership, as was the boat previous to the one I own now. Partnerships can be great if done properly.

But boating has always been expensive. Wakeboarding has required manufacturers to do a LOT more. You can still buy plenty of I/Os cheaply.


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