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fouroheight68 02-08-2013 12:47 AM

Buying first waleboat - dealer rant
After a year of looking and saving, I thought I had found the perfect boat. 2001 xstar, advertised as the 330hp motor, 290 hours, mint condition, etc. I call the seller which happened to be a dealer, and saw the boat in person while it was being "detailed". Did a quick look over, talked some numbers, but couldn't agree on a price. I leave and he calls me back and we agree to 22500 out the door, if I pay for the service from the shop next door. Ok, I agree (all verbal) and the seller wants a 500 dollar deposit from me to hold it while its services before I take it on the water.

I give the seller the deposit, but make sure to use my credit card in case it goes south. Again, zero paperwork, all verbal. Boat is serviced and we take it out. Off the bat I notice the motor is the 310, it has 350 hours, it has no cover, dirty all over, the ballast doesn't fill or empty, and the perfect pass isn't engaging. We take it back to the dealer and I ask the owner to fix the non working items. He says I'm welcome to, but he's not fixing anything. Argument ensues and I tell him it's a totally different boat than advertised and I want my deposit back. His co worker steps in and offers to fix the items not working or missing. Ok, I tell him I can pick it up Monday since I'm on a business trip till Sunday.

Today he calls me and says everything is ready to pick up. I said ok, we'll take care of it Monday. He starts demanding an additional 1k deposit since he has "people lining up to buy it". No way, he has enough of my money at this point and he's extremely pushy. When final price is mentioned, he's saying its 23500+ out the door. No way, I tell him to I'm getting out of the deal and want my deposit. He says he's holding it to pay the boat shop for the maintenance (oil and impeller etc) and the rest for the test drive! Yeah right! It's a completely different boat than advertised, totally ragged, equipment not working, and you're gonna hold my deposit?!? Has anyone heard of someone this shady?

Nevertheless I called visa and disputed the charges. They are 100% on my side especially since there is ZERO written agreement between us. If it comes back on Craigslist I'm going to be sure to post a warning to any interested buyers.

ps- tracked down the previous owner he bought it from 2 weeks ago who told me the trans had water in it, shaft was pitted, and needed a rebuild. Interesting especially since the fluid looked brand new!

End rant

fouroheight68 02-08-2013 12:50 AM

Oops meant wakeboat! Damn iPhone autocorrect

cwb4me 02-08-2013 4:35 AM

I would also mention the dealers name and city.That way others won't waste their time also.

lifetimewarranty 02-08-2013 7:24 AM

Wow. That jacked up with only 350 hours!?:eek:

X2 What dealer and city?

fouroheight68 02-08-2013 8:01 AM

A small time dealer - "a small fishing boat" in Sacramento. The boat had sat in a field with the cover on for 2 years while wasps made nests all inside. I guess my search continues

chattwake 02-08-2013 8:04 AM

Wait what? Just post up the dealer already.

fouroheight68 02-08-2013 8:34 AM

I did look above. I'm glad everyone things I did the right thing?

meathead65 02-08-2013 8:48 AM

That bozo has been screwing buyers for years... He typically specializes is beat up aluminum fishing boats priced at twice their value. Run away.

Fixable 02-08-2013 8:57 AM


Originally Posted by chattwake (Post 1805599)
Wait what? Just post up the dealer already.

Name of the place is "A small fishing boat" :D

Don't worry, I was also confused

chattwake 02-08-2013 9:19 AM

Ahhhhhhhh. Ok got it.

shawndoggy 02-08-2013 9:23 AM

definitely insist on the harpoon option for your waleboat.

chattwake 02-08-2013 9:27 AM

What color was it? Blue? Man, I've always wanted a blue waleboat. That would look killer. Someday I'll own a killer waleboat.

Fixable 02-08-2013 9:34 AM


Originally Posted by chattwake (Post 1805626)
What color was it? Blue? Man, I've always wanted a blue waleboat. That would look killer. Someday I'll own a killer waleboat.


skiboarder 02-08-2013 9:39 AM

The first boat is always a learning experience. I was seventeen, saved about 2 years for a truck, but bought an 88 malibu skier and fixed the transmission in my Crown-vic instead. I was so excited and it ran great.

That winter I decided that I needed to patch a soft spot in the floor. I pulled back the carpet to find that the whole floor, stringers and motor mounts were wrecked. I honestly cried as I ripped up the floor and tore out all the foam that night. It took 7 months and every penny I had to get that thing back together. I put another 1,000hrs on that boat through 4 years of college (it already had 800). I finally sold it for $3,000.00 cash to a fellow and my buddy said he saw it out on his lake just last year.

fouroheight68 02-08-2013 9:55 AM

Type "wakeboat" in the iPhone and you get waleboat! Damn auto correct. I never buy anything from a dealer unless its oem... Shoulda been my first sign! Meathead- have experience with this dude? Going to report him to bbb

bjames 02-08-2013 11:39 AM

As soon as I found out the boat was misrepresented, I wouls be very carefull. I would have told him to lower the price as the boat was priced based on a higher hourse power and fewer hours. If he argued, I would have walked.

boardman74 02-08-2013 11:54 AM

I'm with the rest you did the right thing. If he won't return your deposit let the CC company handle it. Obviously a shady dealer.

fouroheight68 02-08-2013 12:11 PM

21.5 +ttl would have been a good price for a mint loaded 01 xstar if it was like described. But 23.5 otd for a ragged our xstar that sat in a field for 2 years?? No way! I just hope someone on here doesn't buy it. Looks good from afar but far from good!

jfergus7 02-08-2013 12:28 PM

Think you handled it perfectly. I would just make sure everything is in writing next time. Glad to hear the credit card company will take care of it!

meathead65 02-08-2013 12:37 PM

As a fellow Sacramento area marine shop owner, I know of his reputation far too well. We've repaired more than a few of his "sale" boats that were not water ready when sold initially.

jfergus7 02-08-2013 12:38 PM

Your no the only one to get hosed by this dbag. Check out this link. A long complaint and response from the owner on the Better Business Bureau site.


jfergus7 02-08-2013 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by meathead65 (Post 1805673)
As a fellow Sacramento area marine shop owner, I know of his reputation far too well. We've repaired more than a few of his "sale" boats that were not water ready when sold initially.

I understand that it is business and sure you could use the money but why purposely associate yourself with a company like that if you know they are not of the standards that you believe in? I would have a hard time doing business with any company either as a customer or business partner that I feel don't provide a quality and the level of service customers deserve.

hillbilly 02-08-2013 2:43 PM

^^^^^Sounds like he fixes the other guys mistakes^^^^^
It would be bad of him to tell refer customers,But foolish not to fix them!!!!

Meathead can gain customers.....No harm in that right???

jfergus7 02-08-2013 2:57 PM

Maybe I misread it. I thought he was fixing boats for that guy that were for sale. I would have no problem at all fixing boats for others that bought from him.

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meathead65 02-09-2013 7:37 AM

I should have been more clear..... I have no affiliation with that dealer. A good portion of my customer base is from the fish boat crowd, so his sold boats often find their wsy to us for repair.

constructor 02-09-2013 7:36 PM

It doesn't matter what business you get involved with there are some that care only about the money and nothing about their reputation or what is right and wrong. I purchased a 32ft twin cabin twin engine cruiser. The douchebag knew exactly what he needed to do to sell the boat. It started and ran fine out of the water but after water circulated through the water cooled exhaust that had a hole in one the water would run down into the cylinder and lock the engine when it was shut off. I don't think he knew anything more than it wouldn't start on the water. Pulling the engine was a pain( I let someone else do it) new flywheel and manifold $2200... never buy a boat without trying it out on the water.

shawndoggy 02-09-2013 7:57 PM


Originally Posted by constructor (Post 1805828)
.. never buy a boat without trying it out on the water.

This is the first rule of buying a used boat. Fer sure.

boardman74 02-10-2013 10:06 AM

^^ Second that. I buy and sell as a hobby. Plus own 4 or 5 personal boats. Plus snowmobiles, 4 wheelers and the like. People will do anything just to get them sold. Buyer beware! Even dealers will do shady stuff to get a boat moved. You have to do your homework and be careful. Don't be afraid to get an independent mechanical inspection or survey. Cost money up front, but a couple hundred to walk away from a money pit is money well spent. When your buying a used boat you really need to know what you are looking at, or employ someone who does!

fman 02-10-2013 10:54 AM

Wow, crazy story... sorry you had such a bad experience. Glad you were able to get out of the deal.

I have a good friend selling a super clean 2006 Tige 22ve loaded up. It only has 90 hours on it and vinyl is brand new. If you are interested PM me I can pass along his info.

fouroheight68 02-11-2013 8:40 AM

Go ahead and send me the details, can't figure out how to PM

fman 02-14-2013 11:23 AM

Sent you a PM, incase you dont recieve it here is the info on his Tige for sale. He is a legit seller, and close to the Sacramento area. The boat is very nice.


behindtheboat 02-14-2013 12:20 PM

information and reviews like this need to go on google, yelp, everywhere in addition to BBB

fouroheight68 02-14-2013 4:04 PM

They will be, once Im sure I have my refunded deposit.

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