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Hooya 10-06-2012 11:58 AM

Feet Position Between Edges
 
Just wondered if everyone centres their feet between toe/heel side edges or whether some go off-centre?

And if so why? Does having them closer to one edge make it easier/harder to get a good edge.

westsidarider 10-06-2012 1:48 PM

Mine are slightly off center, forget towards which side off the top of my head. Not by choice but just where they end up with the ducked stance I like. I wanna say its more towards the toe edge but I'm not sure.

I would imagine based on physics and leverage that you would get a better edge with your feet further away from the edge

Hooya 10-06-2012 2:52 PM

Thanks. I was wondering whar effect it would have on the edge in water. Because of the the extra leverage would the edge sit deeper in the water.

spencercoon 10-06-2012 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by westsidarider (Post 1788170)
Mine are slightly off center, forget towards which side off the top of my head. Not by choice but just where they end up with the ducked stance I like. I wanna say its more towards the toe edge but I'm not sure.

I would imagine based on physics and leverage that you would get a better edge with your feet further away from the edge

I think your understanding of physics is off on this one. easier to edge where your point of contact is closer.

cwb4me 10-06-2012 5:08 PM

Depends on what size boot you have.

Hooya 10-07-2012 12:47 AM

As far as the leverage discussion goes i would have thought the pivot point is your heel not the edge.

benjaminp 10-07-2012 12:18 PM

Shouldnt depend on boot size or type of boots, if you mount them properly they should center themselves. And if you look at boards like the Ronix vault that are asymmetrical to help teach proper toeside edging, the boots sit closer to the toeside edge.

ilikebeaverandboats 10-07-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooya (Post 1788226)
As far as the leverage discussion goes i would have thought the pivot point is your heel not the edge.

Nope. Coon is correct.

501s 10-07-2012 7:31 PM

I have Ronix boots and the way they are designed you can move them a little more towards the toe or heel side edge. I have mine more towards the heel edge.

cwb4me 10-07-2012 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by benjaminp (Post 1788253)
Shouldnt depend on boot size or type of boots, if you mount them properly they should center themselves. And if you look at boards like the Ronix vault that are asymmetrical to help teach proper toeside edging, the boots sit closer to the toeside edge.

So your saying a guy with a size 8 binding will have his heels and toes as close to the edges as a guy with a size 13 binding?

cwb4me 10-07-2012 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by benjaminp (Post 1788253)
Shouldnt depend on boot size or type of boots, if you mount them properly they should center themselves. And if you look at boards like the Ronix vault that are asymmetrical to help teach proper toeside edging, the boots sit closer to the toeside edge.

The Ronix Vault actually gives you a toe side advantage.Edging drills are what teaches proper toeside edging.The Vault makes up for someone with a weak toeside edge.;)

benjaminp 10-07-2012 9:42 PM

You're right, I worded that explanation of the Vault wrong. And I wasnt trying to say that boot size doesnt affect how close you are to the edge, I was trying to say boot size doesnt affect whether or not you're centered. Levi, the boots allow you to do that, but if you line up the angles marked on the plates properly they will be perfectly centered on the board.

Hooya 10-08-2012 4:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ilikebeaverandboats (Post 1788254)
Nope. Coon is correct.

Still don't see how the pivot can be the edge.

cwb4me 10-08-2012 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooya (Post 1788311)
Still don't see how the pivot can be the edge.

It's not the pivot. It's the leverage point (the heels or the toes) your putting pressure on.

cwb4me 10-08-2012 5:40 AM

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Originally Posted by benjaminp (Post 1788297)
You're right, I worded that explanation of the Vault wrong. And I wasnt trying to say that boot size doesnt affect how close you are to the edge, I was trying to say boot size doesnt affect whether or not you're centered. Levi, the boots allow you to do that, but if you line up the angles marked on the plates properly they will be perfectly centered on the board.

I see where you were going now. It just wasn't clear the first time. It's all good.;)

Hooya 10-08-2012 6:20 AM

Pivot =leverage point ...I should really use the word fulcrum then there will be no confusion :-)

cwb4me 10-08-2012 6:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooya (Post 1788319)
Pivot =leverage point ...I should really use the word fulcrum then there will be no confusion :-)

Pivot = pivot. Leverage = distance from pivot point. Think of a pry bar. The pivot point is near the prying end. The leverage is the distance from the pivot point to where your prying from. The pivot point on a wakeboard is the center of the board. The leverage point is your heels or toes near their prospective edges.

501s 10-08-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by benjaminp (Post 1788297)
You're right, I worded that explanation of the Vault wrong. And I wasnt trying to say that boot size doesnt affect how close you are to the edge, I was trying to say boot size doesnt affect whether or not you're centered. Levi, the boots allow you to do that, but if you line up the angles marked on the plates properly they will be perfectly centered on the board.

Ya Ben, you are totally correct. I just like having my feet shifted a little towards the heel side edge. Just a personal preference, and I just wanted to mention that the Ronix boots allow you to do this.

Hooya 10-08-2012 2:33 PM

"The pivot point on a wakeboard is the center of the board"

really? I don't see that at all. If it were the case you would have half the board in the water when edging.

But IF that were the case moving your toes closer to your toeside edge would increase the leverage and thus make heelside edging easier?

Hooya 10-08-2012 3:36 PM

grrrrr ran out of juice during last point....what i was going to add is... my personal view is the pivot is your heel so when you move it closer tothe toe side edge the actual distance between the two doesnt increase but you lengthen the otherside of the pivot thus increasing resistance against the edge.

ilikebeaverandboats 10-09-2012 9:27 PM

No. When edging heel side, your toes put an upward force, and your heels a downward force....opposing moments, one with greater magnitude than the other. Mentioning positive or negative here would be stupid, because IT DOESNT MATTER, it all has to do with how you define and are looking at your system. Also, the "fulcrum" is going to be changing as the edge goes under water, it all DEPENDS on how you set up the system. If your heels are the "fulcrum" now you have a moment due to the force of water between the edge and heels. Its all physics....or, I guess, statics and some basic machine design principles.....

Its all arbitrary guys. But regardless, me and coon are right. Dont make me whip out my engineering paper and draw this out...

Hooya 10-10-2012 9:00 AM

" If your heels are the "fulcrum" now you have a moment due to the force of water between the edge and heels"

which is how I was looking at it. Anyway that answers my question. Thanks

ilikebeaverandboats 10-10-2012 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooya (Post 1788819)
" If your heels are the "fulcrum" now you have a moment due to the force of water between the edge and heels"

which is how I was looking at it. Anyway that answers my question. Thanks

it all depends on where you define it. Thats the beauty of physics.
sorry my post came across as me being a jerk! :(

Hooya 10-11-2012 2:17 AM

No, post was good. Made sense to me. I guess given I haven't thought about mechanics for 20 years I was looking at it in a very simplistic way.

ilikebeaverandboats 10-11-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooya (Post 1789017)
No, post was good. Made sense to me. I guess given I haven't thought about mechanics for 20 years I was looking at it in a very simplistic way.

I think about it all too much :banghead:


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