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johnny_defacto 09-26-2012 2:48 PM

sick SUMO Sac... part 2
 
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I was replying to a post on this thread and hit "post reply" and got a administrative error. Looks like this post was removed somehow.

The post was not an ad, and I do not work in this industry or for straightline in any capacity. I do not sell anything on the side at all, let alone anything related to the industry. I was given this floor sack because I helped out a friend and this one is only a prototype. Therefore, by using deductive reasoning, the post could only have been removed because of a server glitch.

With that said, here is the sack again. As you can see it fits my A22 perfectly and there is a 180 guy standing on it and the sack barely compresses. To answer one of the questions that disappeared, the top does not have any traction on this prototype. I have not seen the production version.

wakebordr11 09-26-2012 7:30 PM

Nice 400# sac

boardman74 09-26-2012 7:36 PM

Shoot Dave an email and see if he removed it and if so why?

johnny_defacto 09-26-2012 8:04 PM

not 400. this one was weighed. its 800. The final product one says 800 but as someone mentioned, by doing the calculations it looks to be around 400.

wakebordr11 09-26-2012 10:16 PM

I did the calcs and was just busting your chops. How did you weigh it?

timmyb 09-27-2012 8:16 AM

If it's the dimensions that you put in the other thread, it's not 800lbs. Wakemakers is usually pretty good with their numbers and even they say 800lbs. Go do the math on a standard v-drive sac from Flyhigh. It's not much bigger than one of those.
Vdrive sac = 42"L x 16"W x 16"H = 10,75 cu in/1728 = 6.222 cu ft.
Sumo sac = 50"L x 58"W x 4"H = 11,600 cu in/1728 = 6.71 cu ft
Gallons in a cu ft = 7.48
Gallon of water weighs ~8 lbs
Not being a jerk, just doing simple math like Delta Force said. Is it a cool sac? Heck yeah it is! It's just not 800lbs. It would have to be 8" thick to be 800 lbs. What I like about it is that the weight is spread out over the entire boat. That probably helps.

johnny_defacto 09-27-2012 8:55 AM

Delta, the guys that built it weighed it. 4" tall may be the production one, but the one in my boat is definitely a little taller. I will measure mine next time, not that it matters, but I would like to know for myself. And Timmy, having that weight, whether 400 or more, low to the floor and spread out is great. my wake was really incredible, and we had 2 in the boat. I have had more than 6 200lbs adults in my boat before and the wake was not as big as when I had this thing laying in there.

shawndoggy 09-27-2012 10:09 AM

duh, who needs math when the guys who built it already weighed it and they say it's 800 lbs?

Sheesh, what's next, is straightline going to have to hire fact checkers to run their social media campaign?

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I have had more than 6 200lbs adults in my boat before and the wake was not as big as when I had this thing laying in there.
That's awesome! So even if it's only 400lbs like science says it is, it's still better than six dudes mooching your gas!

Will it make my stereo louder too?

timmyb 09-27-2012 10:31 AM

LOL! Nice Shawn! Math doesn't take into account for over-filling. When filled, it's probably more than 4" tall.

wakebordr11 09-27-2012 1:45 PM

BS man, overfilling isn't going to double the capacity.

How did they weigh it? I'm calling BS pure and simple, I bet it's not 600 lbs...

tn_rider 09-27-2012 1:57 PM

Fill it full in the bed of your truck with a garden hose, go to a local dump or recycling center. Drive on the scales weigh it. Hook the pump to cigarette lighter in the truck empty it and re weigh it. Bam. Lol

882001 09-27-2012 2:19 PM

or measure it and do the math

wakebordr11 09-27-2012 3:11 PM

Chase, I wasn't asking how TO weigh it, I want to know how they determined the weight, yes a truck scale is the only way I can think of weighing it accurately. I'm just bustin' chops and thinking out loud, if people want to buy this sack for 400 dollars, that's great, I'm just advising that there is some funky math going on here...

BTW Shawn I'm not fact checking, but I did check my math/method with regards to the 800lb sac and strict dimensions its 750, so yea I definitely agree with 800, I'm pretty sure I've filled one to 900 before...

shawndoggy 09-27-2012 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1786080)
Chase, I wasn't asking how TO weigh it, I want to know how they determined the weight, yes a truck scale is the only way I can think of weighing it accurately. I'm just bustin' chops and thinking out loud, if people want to buy this sack for 400 dollars, that's great, I'm just advising that there is some funky math going on here...

BTW Shawn I'm not fact checking, but I did check my math/method with regards to the 800lb sac and strict dimensions its 750, so yea I definitely agree with 800, I'm pretty sure I've filled one to 900 before...

Psst, Delta Force... I agree with you.... "they weighed it" or not, can't fit 40lbs of bs in a 20lb sack.

I was just being a smartass.

wakebordr11 09-27-2012 4:12 PM

Psst Shawndoggy, what's up dog. Strung out at work ha

johnny_defacto 09-27-2012 4:47 PM

you CAN fit 40 lbs of bull crap into a 20lb sack if that 20 lb sack is for bird feathers.... easy. Or if that sack is a normal burlap sack material, it would have to be huge to weigh 20lbs, so again, 40lbs of BS could easily fit in that as well. I could go on I am sure, but I will stop cuz I am just messing.

Okay, not that it even matters how much the sack in the picture weighs because it was a prototype, you cant buy it even if you wanted to, there is only one of them and I am not selling it.

But for all you MathTards, here are the dimensions to the prototype when filled. 46" x 55" x 7". If you want to, you can figure it out and let all of us know how much it weighs... I do not care.

timmyb 09-27-2012 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny_defacto (Post 1786107)
But for all you MathTards, here are the dimensions to the prototype when filled. 46" x 55" x 7". If you want to, you can figure it out and let all of us know how much it weighs... I do not care.

:D Closer, you're coming in at 600+ now! :D
I think it's cool and the way that the weight is layed out is the best part about it.

wakebordr11 09-27-2012 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by timmyb (Post 1786109)
:D Closer, you're coming in at 600+ now! :D
I think it's cool and the way that the weight is layed out is the best part about it.

I'd believe 650-700 if it was stretched. See, I don't call BS when the math makes sense, and the prototype isn't the same as the manufactured goods

Don't hate on us mathtards johnny, you've got a sweeter boat and bigger wake then I'll ever dream of hitting on a consistent basis. Show us some pics of the wake setup with that bad boy and you dropping some hammers!

simplej 09-27-2012 9:54 PM

Look how high ig goes on his seats! no way its only 4 inches

johnny_defacto 09-28-2012 1:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1786131)
I'd believe 650-700 if it was stretched. See, I don't call BS when the math makes sense, and the prototype isn't the same as the manufactured goods

Don't hate on us mathtards johnny, you've got a sweeter boat and bigger wake then I'll ever dream of hitting on a consistent basis. Show us some pics of the wake setup with that bad boy and you dropping some hammers!

Thanks man. I wish I could ride it to its potential..... but I am trying. :D I do not plan on using it unless its just me and another rider, but next time I use it, I will try to remember to take some pics or video of the wake.

stang_killa_ss 09-28-2012 10:18 AM

floor sacks on a 2010+ $55K+ wake boat? no thanks!

ToPHeR35 09-28-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stang_killa_ss (Post 1786268)
floor sacks on a 2010+ $55K+ wake boat? no thanks!

This. Hide that stuff under seats!

wakebordr11 09-28-2012 10:40 AM

As long as there are engines powerful enough and props/gear ratios to pitch down to push that weight, people will maximize their boats, that means as much weight as possible without sinking.

johnny_defacto 09-28-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stang_killa_ss (Post 1786268)
floor sacks on a 2010+ $55K+ wake boat? no thanks!

yeah corey, I agree. Thats why I have a 2011 for <$50k wakeboat with 4k hidden :D That is why I bought the boat that I did. I almost went with a new Vride but it was $5-8k more AND I would have had a hard time getting all the bow ballast I wanted to be hidden. I was so over having to climb around sacks and throw pumps over the side. I also looked at used VLX's, but same boat, so same problem (except the vrides have no stock bow ballast like most vlxs do).

Nordicron 10-17-2012 8:36 AM

Oh not to beat a dead horse but how wide are most boats between the seats? The Axis is less than 44" meaning even less weight.

10-17-2012 1:19 PM

I think this is sweet. Stack two and have a huge lounge area.

About adding floor sacs, the people who would buy this are core wakeboaders and probably already have a tradition sac sitting on the floor. When its all about getting as much weight as possible, under the seats just won't work. I would much rather have a huge flat sac covering the whole floor then a fat glob in the middle of the boat.

The only problem I see is that most boats aren't a perfect square shaped cabin like the axis, the sac will be bunched up on most boats. Unless they have this sac made for specific boats.

wakebordr11 10-17-2012 2:03 PM

^ I hope you're wrong, most core riders wouldn't spend 400$ on 400# sac, run a 500 you can walk around, or an 800, and save 300 dollars...

10-17-2012 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1790029)
^ I hope you're wrong, most core riders wouldn't spend 400$ on 400# sac, run a 500 you can walk around, or an 800, and save 300 dollars...

But they'll spend $1g on a new board, thousands on a boat, $100's for gas. Im sure its more," if they want it, they'll buy it."

I think its a great idea, we all now what its like to walk around a floor sac and get a foot wedged between it and the seats, or the rope finds its way under the sac.

breakz77 10-17-2012 5:35 PM

I would buy the sac just so I could fill up the floor then put another sac or 2 on top of it :)

dirwoody 10-17-2012 5:40 PM

I'm digging it. Just need to measure our boat now, but it's already in storage. Oh well. Probably won't pick one up for a while, but I could see one in the future for sure. I also agree, would be awesome if they made a variety of models for the different boats.

johnny_defacto 11-16-2012 12:12 PM

okay, update. Used this sac yesterday and remembered to grab a measuring tape and bring it along.

55" x 45" x 9" = 22275 cubic inches = 96.429 gallons (x 8.33 lbs) = 803.25 lbs

Disclaimer: I used an online calculator to get the volume, and my cell phone calculator to get the lbs. It is a Stanley measuring tape, 25' max, American Standard Measurements of inches and feet only. I bought it at Sears sometime in the mid 2000's. Wakemakers will need to update their description as it is apparently incorrect.

spencerwm 11-16-2012 12:47 PM

I can confirm that the dims on the production version are 45 x 55 x 9. Pretty awesome bag for use with the surfgate Malibu's.

wakebordr11 11-16-2012 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny_defacto (Post 1794873)
okay, update. Used this sac yesterday and remembered to grab a measuring tape and bring it along.

55" x 45" x 9" = 22275 cubic inches = 96.429 gallons (x 8.33 lbs) = 803.25 lbs

Disclaimer: I used an online calculator to get the volume, and my cell phone calculator to get the lbs. It is a Stanley measuring tape, 25' max, American Standard Measurements of inches and feet only. I bought it at Sears sometime in the mid 2000's. Wakemakers will need to update their description as it is apparently incorrect.

Nicely done good sir. Good call on the stanley as well:D

johnny_defacto 11-16-2012 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 (Post 1794897)
Nicely done good sir. Good call on the stanley as well:D

:D thank you delta, I hoped someone would appreciate that.

boardman74 11-16-2012 3:59 PM

I laughed too...for all the haters!!!


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