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seandaviswake 09-24-2012 9:08 PM

Replacement Refs are a JOKE
 
Anyone else agree that was embarrassing for the NFL tonight

09-24-2012 9:13 PM

Everybody will, other than the Seahawks fans that is. They'll brag like they actually won the game.

ord27 09-24-2012 9:24 PM

It would be nice to see the players union threaten walking out tomorrow morning. I only support that if it can get solved by Sunday.....crappy football is better than no football. It is easy to say that because my Cowboys won't be in the hunt.....again......

cwb4me 09-24-2012 9:29 PM

It was the worst officiated game i've ever seen in my 53 years of living .Alot of the games this week were called awful all game.They need to get the regular refs.No one other than a Seattle fan could agree with that call. Then when a Seattle fan brags about that win, I will lose respect for them too.

polarbill 09-24-2012 9:41 PM

I am a seattle fan and I would probably agree that the last call was pretty bad but there were soooooooo many terrible calls going against both teams that entire game. Just a terrible ref'd game. I will take the W though.

ttrigo 09-24-2012 9:54 PM

Almost as bad as the seatlle sb game...
Karma?

sidekicknicholas 09-25-2012 7:04 AM

Here is my take on the whole thing.... I can only blame these guys so much and I honestly feel really badly for them. I'm sure if you ask each and everyone replacement ref at this point if they're fit for the job they'll say "No". Either way, they're doing a piss-poor job but I think it ultimately falls to the NFL to get new guys/girls in there or get the regular guys back.

If truck drivers all went on strike and I as called up to drive an 18-wheeler by the DOT because I had experience towing a boat.... I get on the road and smash the **** out of some stuff, am I to blame, certainly... I knew I wasn't qualified to do that job but did it anyway. Is the DOT to blame for putting me in that position, yup. Are the "real" truck drivers to blame for leaving in the first place, yeah, I think that argument can be made.

I also think given the nature of week 1-3 if the "real" refs are not back the NFLPA should motion for the rules to be slightly tweaked. I think plays where the refs do NOT feel comfortable making the call, let them use replay or get word from above. Obviously not looking for a hold on every play, but last night's TD should have been reviewed in a fashion that would have allowed for the TD to be reversed, not just a review to determine if it was a catch or not. The Refs made the right call on the review since all they could technically review was "CATCH or NO CATCH" not review the possession.... if the rules were tweaked to allow them to review catch/no catch, possession, possibly the PI that was crazy obvious, etc etc then we may have had a legit finish to that game.

ottog1979 09-25-2012 7:12 AM

Think about this: Even as bad as they are, without the replacement refs there would be no NFL football being played right now.

ord27 09-25-2012 7:14 AM

don't forget that it's the NFL that locked the refs out while they negotiated the CBA. The refs didn't walk off.....

phatboypimp 09-25-2012 9:33 AM

Another vote for the positive impact of Unions....

wakereviews 09-26-2012 10:30 AM

ESPN is reporting that there is a deal on that table and that they should be back for this weekends games.

misteve 09-26-2012 11:09 AM

I was at the game and couldn't believe it, the whole game, horrible reffing in so many ways. 24 total fouls, but they still left so many on the field, they call PI constantly , but let blatant holds go constantly.

ME and the other Seattle fans aren't bragging about the win, we are pissed we missed a chance to straight up beat the Pack. We are bragging that we held the amazing Packers offense to 12 points (which they got some MAJOR help from refs on their ONLY td scoring drive), that we sacked Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the 1st half (although with that many sacks we needed to get a lot more points off of them).

We didn't make the call, the refs did, but what are we supposed to do try and give the win back??

wake77 09-26-2012 12:43 PM

^It would be the honorable and right thing to do.

But then again, when has Pete Carroll ever done the honorable and right thing?

jhartt3 09-26-2012 12:52 PM

Pete was jumping around like he had just won the lottery after that call. Hopefully we meet in the playoff so the hawks can be strung up like they should have been.

sidekicknicholas 09-26-2012 1:14 PM

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Pete was jumping around like he had just won the lottery after that call.
The one that bugged me was Golden Tate's interview.... "I don't know what you're talking about", in the most guilty sounding tone ever.

If he was to claim the catch, that is one thing.... but to not own up clearly pushing off made me mad. If he would have simply said something along the lines of "The ref didn't call anything" I would have been okay with it, because that was the truth... not just pretending America doesn't have eyes.

polarbill 09-26-2012 1:57 PM

You guys are ridiculous. We should of given back the win? Haha. Honarable thing? Double haha. Also, Pete's excitement is part of the reason good young players want to come to Seattle and play for him.

digg311 09-26-2012 2:04 PM

Let me tell ya this... I was at the game. Our seats are in the south endzone though, so I couldn't see the play at all. All I know is you had that entire place pinning it's hopes on that one play. And given our history and the odds, most if not all of us were ready to walk home in disgust. But then you saw the ball go up... and then the refs arms go up... and the entire place ERUPTED. It was easily the most exciting thing I've ever experienced as an NFL fan. Complete pandemonium.

Now, I realize a head coach and a season ticket holder aren't the same thing. And their reactions are usually miles apart. But Pete isn't a normal head coach. His exuberance and energy are a huge part of who he is and why his supporters like him.

Beating a strong team like Green Bay in a last ditch effort on MNF??? You're da*% right he was jumping around like he'd just won the lottery. We all were.

behindtheboat 09-26-2012 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sidekicknicholas (Post 1785724)
The one that bugged me was Golden Tate's interview.... "I don't know what you're talking about", in the most guilty sounding tone ever.

If he was to claim the catch, that is one thing.... but to not own up clearly pushing off made me mad. If he would have simply said something along the lines of "The ref didn't call anything" I would have been okay with it, because that was the truth... not just pretending America doesn't have eyes.

This is the same guy who crawled on the ground in celebration of a blindsided helmet to helmet block on Sean Lee, which should have been flagged, and he should have been fined if not even suspended for a game.

polarbill 09-26-2012 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by behindtheboat (Post 1785751)
This is the same guy who crawled on the ground in celebration of a blindsided helmet to helmet block on Sean Lee, which should have been flagged, and he should have been fined if not even suspended for a game.

I still don't think it was helmet to helmet. his shoulder did a bulk of the hit, it isn't like he led with his head and tried to hit the guy with the crown of his helmet. Also, the only reason his helmet hit Lee's was because of the whiplash created which made Lee's facemask(not his helmet) hit Tate's helmet. Lee was covering Tate right before Tate decided to stop and level the guy. Tate didnt' run from across the field out of nowhere. He was running right infront/side of Lee. It was a bull crap fine although I will take. Seattle is quickly becoming the defense that no one wants to play because they will knock you around, play right on the edge of the rules and leave you bruised and battered. Love it.

jhartt3 09-26-2012 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1785745)
Also, Pete's excitement is part of the reason good young players want to come to Seattle and play for him.

Yep has nothing to do with the fact that they were drafted by Seattle and there only other option is sitting out

jhartt3 09-26-2012 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1785768)
Seattle is quickly becoming the defense that no one wants to play because they will knock you around, play right on the edge of the rules and leave you bruised and battered. Love it.

Yep and when real refs come back Seattle will quickly become the team with 200 yards in penalties a game.

behindtheboat 09-26-2012 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1785768)
I still don't think it was helmet to helmet. his shoulder did a bulk of the hit, it isn't like he led with his head and tried to hit the guy with the crown of his helmet. Also, the only reason his helmet hit Lee's was because of the whiplash created which made Lee's facemask(not his helmet) hit Tate's helmet. Lee was covering Tate right before Tate decided to stop and level the guy. Tate didnt' run from across the field out of nowhere. He was running right infront/side of Lee. It was a bull crap fine although I will take. Seattle is quickly becoming the defense that no one wants to play because they will knock you around, play right on the edge of the rules and leave you bruised and battered. Love it.

huh? you're right, he didn't run across the field, however he did lead with the crown of his helmet, and thrusts it upwards towards Lee's head. And the whiplash went away from Tate. He likely has a bulls-eye on him for the remainder of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpEzL...eature=related

polarbill 09-26-2012 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by behindtheboat (Post 1785778)
huh? you're right, he didn't run across the field, however he did lead with the crown of his helmet, and thrusts it upwards towards Lee's head. And the whiplash went away from Tate. He likely has a bulls-eye on him for the remainder of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpEzL...eature=related

His shoulder is what took the brunt of the contact and launched Lee off his feet. He wouldn't be able to do that with his head and it wasn't helmet to helmet at all. He also hit him right in the upper numbers. not the neck, not the head. If Jerry Jones hadn't of whined then there wouldn't of even been a fine.

digg311 09-26-2012 3:25 PM

Crown of the helmet? Nope. Helmet to helmet? Nope. The "upward thrust" is maybe the only thing you can hold against him on that hit. Maybe. IMO that block was awesome. EXACTLY what he should have done in that spot.

And I'm saying that as a Seahawks fan... not a Tate fan. He hasn't shown me anything in Seattle... dude couldn't miss at ND, but now look at him. Gets a reception every once in a blue moon and then struts like he never misses. I'm as annoyed as anyone else. I think our receivers are by far the weakest part of our team.

All of that said, that hit on Lee was textbook football.

digg311 09-26-2012 3:26 PM

Oh, and thanks for reposting the video. It was fun to watch that again.

behindtheboat 09-26-2012 3:38 PM

Maybe you're right. The celebration rubs me the wrong way, so maybe I'm looking for more than is there. Celebrations in general bother me, you'd think they'd cut back on them when there is a possible injured player, or the NFL would step in and take some action. ESPN had a high school game, and the QB over threw everyone, and the covering CB started jumping around, pointing to his back numbers (no name on it), for doing nothing, but being on national television.

polarbill 09-26-2012 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by behindtheboat (Post 1785791)
Maybe you're right. The celebration rubs me the wrong way, so maybe I'm looking for more than is there. Celebrations in general bother me, you'd think they'd cut back on them when there is a possible injured player, or the NFL would step in and take some action. ESPN had a high school game, and the QB over threw everyone, and the covering CB started jumping around, pointing to his back numbers (no name on it), for doing nothing, but being on national television.

I can agree with that. It is insane how many guys go crazy and celebrate one play and it is even pisses me off more when they are getting their butts kicked but still do it. That said, I am almost positive that 75% or more of NFL players that would of made that hit would of done the same thing. Especially if it is a WR or CB. Those gusy are the cockiest premadonnas on the field.

digg311 09-26-2012 3:48 PM

Agreed.

Hey, check this out! We're all getting along!

cwb4me 09-28-2012 3:37 AM

Everyone is glad the real refs are back!!!! Except for Seattle fans,now their defense will be mediocre at best.Good luck even winning half your remaining schedule.

polarbill 09-28-2012 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cwb4me (Post 1786211)
Everyone is glad the real refs are back!!!! Except for Seattle fans,now their defense will be mediocre at best.Good luck even winning half your remaining schedule.

Look who is talking. The fan of the softest and most overrated team in the NFL every year. Nothing the real refs will bring will make our defense change. Hell, out defense would of been better had a real ref been there and not called that BS PI on Cam.

tonyv420 09-28-2012 9:09 AM

When Pete was jumping up and down, he hadn't even seen the replay, The first down the packers got on their scoring drive was BS also. You cant tell me you can tell by replay that the ball needs to be 4inches closer to the goal line! That would have ended up a field goal which would have gave Seattle a chance to win with a field goal at the end of the game. I have never seen a team in history give a win back! You think if the situation was flopped the Packers wouldn't of been celebrating???C'MON MAN!!!! Besides the fact the Packers should have been able to whoop up on us, and not even be in a stiuation that would give us win at the end of the game. I agree the call was pretty weak! but seriously.....give a win back???? no one has ever done that! Dignity has nothing to do with it!

tonyv420 09-28-2012 9:17 AM

(If he was to claim the catch, that is one thing.... but to not own up clearly pushing off made me mad. If he would have simply said something along the lines of "The ref didn't call anything" I would have been okay with it, because that was the truth... not just pretending America doesn't have eyes )






Theres PI on every hail mary pass play in the NFL, they dont ever call it! MD Jennings should have just batted the ball down, that is what they are trained to do! Dumb ass trying to get all the glory for a interception! Bet he knocks the ball down next time!

tonyv420 09-28-2012 9:20 AM

Sorry, I'm a dummy when it comes to cut and paste! Top statement is a quote...

polarbill 09-28-2012 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyv420 (Post 1786264)
When Pete was jumping up and down, he hadn't even seen the replay, The first down the packers got on their scoring drive was BS also. You cant tell me you can tell by replay that the ball needs to be 4inches closer to the goal line! That would have ended up a field goal which would have gave Seattle a chance to win with a field goal at the end of the game. I have never seen a team in history give a win back! You think if the situation was flopped the Packers wouldn't of been celebrating???C'MON MAN!!!! Besides the fact the Packers should have been able to whoop up on us, and not even be in a stiuation that would give us win at the end of the game. I agree the call was pretty weak! but seriously.....give a win back???? no one has ever done that! Dignity has nothing to do with it!

If we give up this win to the packers does that mean the Steelers will give up the Super Bowl to us? I will take that trade if we are giving up wins these days. Hahahahaha.

misteve 09-28-2012 9:21 AM

If you think Seattle's D is not legit then you haven't watched a single game. The fact is the D has given up an average of 13 points per game and 2 of those teams were pretty dynamic offenses, and the other has Larry Fitzgerald.... Best secondary in the league no question, name a better back 4? AND, Seattle's nickel DB just happens to be a former pro-bowler ... To say our D is mediocre is laughable.

polarbill 09-28-2012 10:01 AM

Robert has a tough time seeing the actual TV from his blue Tige so he really can't see how dominating our D is.

Dose was jokes man, dose was jokes

ttrigo 09-28-2012 11:50 AM

Batting the ball down is not really the best defense to a hail mary anymore. Wasnt it the lions or someone who won a game last year cuz the defense batted it down, right into the arms of the reciever?

tonyv420 09-28-2012 4:49 PM

^^^^your right, I guess theres always that chance.....

cwb4me 09-28-2012 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1786289)
Robert has a tough time seeing the actual TV from his blue Tige so he really can't see how dominating our D is.

Dose was jokes man, dose was jokes

Who has the best defense in the NFC stats wise right now? Look it up.Dallas Cowboys!:D

digg311 09-28-2012 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cwb4me (Post 1786409)
Who has the best defense in the NFC stats wise right now? Look it up.Dallas Cowboys!:D

27-7. Look it up.

cwb4me 09-29-2012 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by digg311 (Post 1786429)
27-7. Look it up.

That's only one game. The season is young and the regular refs will change the dynamics of how effective the Seattle defense will be.Now they will have to play by NFL rules and not Seattle rules!

cwb4me 09-30-2012 1:14 PM

The season has only gone a few days and the Seahawks have lost already with the new Referee's.Man how the Seahawks suck when they play by the rules.

digg311 09-30-2012 10:06 PM

What the hell are you talking about? The Hawks lost. That sucks, but I can deal with it.
But what did the "Real refs" have to do with it? Not a thing. We have no decent receivers.... and the Rams were kicking field goals from 58 and 60 yards. Plus we let them sucker us on a sneak play that never should have happened... And the last turnover was the result of a dude losing his footing.

We blew it. No big deal. Harp on reality all you want. There's plenty you can point at. But continuing to spew this junk just makes you look like a tool.

cwb4me 10-01-2012 3:20 AM

The 12th man has been silenced. I mean he may still be squawking but no one cares.

digg311 10-01-2012 6:33 PM

You may think it's funny that that we spend our energy rooting for the Seahawks... but I think it's a helluva lot funnier that you are working so hard rooting against them. Did the Seahawks violate your mother? Steal your candy? Why so much hate? Friggin hilarious.

polarbill 10-01-2012 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by digg311 (Post 1787047)
You may think it's funny that that we spend our energy rooting for the Seahawks... but I think it's a helluva lot funnier that you are working so hard rooting against them. Did the Seahawks violate your mother? Steal your candy? Why so much hate? Friggin hilarious.

He is just mad that the Seahawks donkey pucked his pu$$y cowgirls.


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