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da_moose 07-15-2012 8:39 AM

15 years ,,,3431 Different Board Designs?
15 years Really 22 years + 3431 different board designs ? different cores ,fin set ups ,rails ,bottom designs and no two boards look alike ? go to a surfshop ,most surfboards look alike.Why not the Wakeboard ? Most Wakes look alike ,But No 2 Waves are the same.

benjaminp 07-15-2012 9:10 AM

This is an impressively confusing statement. Can you re-word that using proper grammar and maybe some elaboration?

Raf1985 07-15-2012 9:11 AM

Improvements maybe? Hop on a 15 year old board and let me know if it performs the same.......

ilikebeaverandboats 07-15-2012 9:20 AM

i bet one of those 3431 designs is shaped like a piece of bacon. I <3 bacon.

wakerider111 07-15-2012 10:09 AM

3431? i bet this count includes the sizes of each board so they wont all be totally different... but still impressive none the less

this reminds me of a thread i did a while back on all the companies that have come and gone and are still here

parkcityxj 07-15-2012 10:18 AM

I want to see Da Moose pump out some sick wakesurf boards. Why aren't you making them?

theinternetkid 07-15-2012 11:47 AM

I wouldn't agree that most surfboards look alike. There are short boards, fish, fun boards and long boards. (I guess you could count SUP, but I don't). In each of those categories there is a lot of variation in dimensions and fin setup.

boardjnky4 07-15-2012 12:33 PM

there are probably more variations in surfboard design than there are in wakeboard designs...

da_moose 07-15-2012 12:48 PM

After 22+ years ,Water has not changed one bit ,but sooooooo many differant designs ,quit Da Proto-typing
Just can wait to see what next year brings .HEY some clue Ben in on my gramer ,WHAT U NEW?
just Keeping ya Thinking

theinternetkid 07-15-2012 1:08 PM

Just to show everyone the variations, here is the board room at AB Surf Shop (NC). http://www.absurfshop.com/wp-content...s/img_3759.jpg

da_moose 07-15-2012 3:21 PM

Yeah know so much lance ,The Different beteewn a Surfboard and a Wake board is ,Surfboards you have to paddle for a wave ,and a Boat will pull my Fat A$$ out of the Water, and i could NEVER Ride a 54 " board in the Surf and just TEAR it UP

da_moose 07-15-2012 3:22 PM


Readyaimfire 07-15-2012 4:47 PM

If they don't change the design every year, you won't buy a new board. It's that simple sometimes.

parkcityxj 07-15-2012 6:24 PM

It's called innovation and technology, it's part of life. Everything has changed in 20 years from snowboards, bikes, cars, computers, etc, etc, etc. The snow hasn't changed on the mountains I ride, trails I ride my bike on, and the roads I drive on, yet technology does.

You never answered my question. Why aren't you making wakesurf boards?

da_moose 07-15-2012 7:20 PM

Jay ,Sorry ,This will tell it better than I can ,and 4 weeeks after this came out Junior allmost killed me.

And jeremy,WOW BRO you fogot the main Wakeboard MOOSE AND DA O.G. BOARD THAT IT ALL "DOC GRINDER"

da_moose 07-15-2012 7:28 PM

Raf,You tell me ,I've been riding this same board and bindings for 14 years ,yea the same board ,

you tell me

Raf1985 07-15-2012 7:36 PM

I saw that video and I have nothing to tell you.

da_moose 07-16-2012 7:50 AM

hey Raf,There i was just a Fat 47 year old dude ,And that was my first pull of the year after a winter lay off.
Picking up you stick ,And riding with confedence,is what its about ,who has time to break in a new pair of Rainbows.
Bro ,what do you know about innovation and technology? I used to work for Howard Hughs when i was 18 in the prodo- type lab,I know what innovation and technology is.
some people see thing from a different angle,Does it look like it works ,Remember there im just an old 47 year old fat man,so im slowwwwww now,can't even walk
People on here tell me that's not a Wakeboard ,you tell me What it is ?

Raf1985 07-16-2012 8:18 AM

Being an engineering major at ASU's school of innovation and technology, I know plenty about innovation and technology. Plus, I never said it wasn't a wakeboard nor did I say anything about your riding skills. Your board looks like it works fine for you and your style of shredding, but that doesn't mean that newer styles are useless or function the same as yours. I'm glad I have 3431+ board options available to me.

slipknot 07-16-2012 8:23 AM

Hy Energy and Rip Stick and butta wraps is all you ever need.


I wish I had a Carbon Fiber Lyman or Vandall

Remember kids NO J walkin


parkcityxj 07-16-2012 9:11 AM


Originally Posted by da_moose (Post 1767715)
Jay ,Sorry ,This will tell it better than I can ,and 4 weeeks after this came out Junior allmost killed me.

Moose, this article doesn't say anything about wakesurf boards other than you making $350 custom surf boards, which is a smokin deal. Who is Junior?

Just sayin, it seems like a natural progression for you to make wakesurf boards. If you could make a sick wakesurf board for $350, you'd be killing it.

Have you made a wakesurf board yet?

boardjnky4 07-16-2012 4:19 PM

I don't mean any disrespect but LOL at that video

da_moose 07-16-2012 7:59 PM

Please tom, whats so LOL ?

da_moose 07-16-2012 8:07 PM

Raf. hate to brake it to ya ,wait to you get to the real world ,sorry what your learning in school a great start ,But the real world industry's going to blow your mind,your just scraching the surface.You'll see ,Keep up your school

BamaLurker 07-17-2012 12:26 AM

That video was great. I didn't know the wakes were so nice when Finn and Redmond were testin out there designs in the 80's!!! Hahaha j/k. Yo moose, keep slayshin it up if that's what makes you happy man. Soul turns will never die!!!

da_moose 07-17-2012 11:11 AM

I guess Im a weird Wakeboarder,Being a Surfer now for 39 years and riding in a sideways stance,I see the Wake as just one long wave that I can ride a skateboard on ,No one cutting me off or droping in on me. I think its Rude Wakeboarding when you get that clown who grabs the handle and trys to "trick it up" and falls every 16 secs. when you have 8 people in the boat waiting to ride.I you ever ride with me 2 falls your back in the boat "NEXT UP"

innovation is for people who are don't know how to do it right the First Time,The secret to a Great shape is "Knowing when to STOP"

Readyaimfire 07-18-2012 11:30 AM

Props on the binding track way back when, but I'm not so sure you are participating in the same sport as the rest of us. Seems like u r stuck in an era that has long since gone. As far as you only "allowing" 2 falls to people riding with you, that explains the 3 hour wake slash video you posted. I'm not sure what u r trying to accomplish in this thread. I agree that there have been some gimmicky board designs that were put out simply to sell boards (the byerly with the flow through tail for example), but I don't think the sport would be where it is today without the experimentation of Murray, Nelson, butch, Redmond, etc... Maybe u should try and make some updated boards for today's wake scene. But I doubt any 1080's are going down on one of hose old Doc Grinder boards, especially with only 2 falls allowed. Lol.

scbrips 07-18-2012 8:56 PM

"One arm!"

Lol. DA MOOSE is the ultimate wake troll. I still have no idea who you really are after all these years. Pat McCarthy? Ron Scarpa?

stephan 07-20-2012 11:27 AM

I would also argue that there are more surboard shapes than there are wakeboard shapes. If you go out to any lineup with 15 different surfers, you will see 15 different boards in the same lineup. Why is that? Is it because people prefer to ride different shapes and experienced riders can employ a more aggressive design than a beginner? Even two 6'2" thrusters that look identical will have differences that make them ride differently.

Come on Moose, you're a shaper, you know that subtle tweaks completely change the ride. Just like a wakeboard shaper, surfboard shapers will add rocker, thin a rail, move a fin box, adjust the tail shape, narrow a concave all in the attempt to get the right combination for that rider. There is a reason that no one else is riding the Moose shape, while it may work for you, it is not some sort of gold standard. I could ride a 4 foot hunk of dock foam (and have), just because it works doesn't mean it can't be improved. While surfing has had a longer history, it has had its fair share of advances, hell the thruster is barely 30 years old.

da_moose 07-20-2012 12:22 PM

Your not Seeing Different Shapes ,your seeing Different Size boards ,because of different skill levels and NO 2 WAVES ARE ALIKE ,But Shaping a Wakeboard for a Wake that NEVER CHANGES for miles make Shape a board a "DREAM",I get to take out the biggest factor in Making A Surfboard "The will the Board Float Me if I go Thin".
Basically if you take a boat full people out and thay all have the same size Shoe ,no mater what there skill level is ,Everyone will have FUN on the same board

fly135 07-20-2012 2:29 PM

In 2 years the board I ride will be a 15 yr old design.

da_moose 07-22-2012 8:31 PM

" Best part of being Phat ,,, is Never worring getting Fat"

Raf1985 07-23-2012 12:06 AM

This thread is a losing battle and needs to be closed.

da_moose 07-23-2012 11:17 PM

Does it really matter what year it is ? the water really don't care ,if its new, does it mean it's improved???

Readyaimfire 07-23-2012 11:44 PM

Roll another big fatty there bud.

razorjaw 07-24-2012 2:12 AM

DA MOOSE! I haven't seen you for years it seems! Ahh, feels like wakeworld Circa 2003.

RonBurgundy 07-25-2012 11:49 PM

Just read through this and I am amazed. Besides the difficult grammar I'm not understanding your point Moose......I personally know 6 different shapers in San Diego who all create very different surfboards....that is an odd point you are eying to make.

The other mention that every wake is the same and it never changes is hilarious. Boats all put out different sized and shaped wakes, and by changing weight (or people in the boat for that matter) the wake changes as well.....innovation is a great thing and for that reason I would never yank someone back into the boat simply because hey ell twice. At that rate it would take 15 years to et to your level of riding....you may be fine with it, but the group I ri with would like to progress much more I a shorter period of time.

da_moose 07-26-2012 11:30 AM

tommy ,innovation ,We're Vaping

Readyaimfire 07-26-2012 12:38 PM

Bahahahahha... That's awesome

da_moose 07-29-2012 4:48 PM

innovation, innovation ,innovation ,thats all I read ,Well should I go back and put 1/4-20 inserts in my board and shine the "adjustable sliding track"? or go back to putting a seam on my rails ,i kinda like the seamless rail ,no edges to catch ,or putting nubs on the bottom instead of 100% solid box fins ,or even go back to glass and shine using Carbon Fiber???

Raf1985 07-29-2012 5:51 PM

Vaping? C'mon man, I thought you were old school and against innovation.

da_moose 07-30-2012 12:57 PM

Raf ,I took the skurfer to the Wonderful World for Wakeboarding ,raf ,stop thinking ,
what part of Carbon Fiber ,do not understand ? nobody use's Carbon ,let alone a Sliding adjustable track,Oh yeah Burton use's it on there snowboards now 22 years after I did it .
Vaping ,I invened a way thats 2X's better ,and EVERYBODY in No.County Call's it "MooserRizzzin"
Go back to school and waste you $$$

Orange 07-30-2012 3:22 PM

Ya , rAf.. Go bak to skhuul and waiste yu monny on yuseles stuf lik speling. punktuation , grahamer. U dont now anniething, youngzter.

Oh yea, 30 yearz uhgo in Encinitas we usta uze smoke rings frum our bongs too cumunikate and sent eech uther infurmashun. Al Gore stolle the internut frum me, that bastard ,

Readyaimfire 07-30-2012 6:55 PM

Someone delete this thread, it's a lose lose.

07-30-2012 7:17 PM

I love that I have to go and get my ghetto language dictionary to understand the information in this thread.

RonBurgundy 07-30-2012 9:11 PM


Originally Posted by Orange (Post 1772174)
Ya , rAf.. Go bak to skhuul and waiste yu monny on yuseles stuf lik speling. punktuation , grahamer. U dont now anniething, youngzter.

Oh yea, 30 yearz uhgo in Encinitas we usta uze smoke rings frum our bongs too cumunikate and sent eech uther infurmashun. Al Gore stolle the internut frum me, that bastard ,

Born and raised in north county.....never heard of you, any of your supposed inventions, and DEFINITELY never heard anyone refer to it as Mooserrizzen......nice to see your nuts though.

Also...I invented the pet rock.

da_moose 07-30-2012 10:51 PM

pedro tommy ,just don't look then.
john ,ever herd of 91X ? check the site done alot of stuff with them ,even gave away a Wakeboard at X Games 2,that was in San Diego.

da_moose 07-31-2012 9:38 PM

HEY if You Don't lesson to Anything I ever write.

Lesson To This " Never Smoke cigarettes"

Raf1985 09-04-2012 10:04 PM

Not sure how I came across the fail thread, but I just had to bump it.

markj 09-04-2012 11:11 PM

Thanks Raf. Made for good bedtime reading/entertainment. I think it just showed me my kid's perspective when they say I'm losing it or I'm out of touch. On second thought, screw you Raf! Jk.

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