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tdeneka 08-21-2003 12:25 PM

Does anyone use a 3CCD camcorder? I am starting to research higher-end consumer cameras like Sony TRV-950, VX-2000, Canon GL-2, etc. What are the benefits when compared to cameras like Sony TRV70 and similar?

sdboardr99 08-21-2003 1:25 PM

A 3CCD camera will always provide a higher quality image with greater detail and a single chip camera. In addition, the high end camera usually have a much better lens and options for professional quality mics and other features not found on low end cameras. I'm thinking about picking up a Canon GL-2 and one reason I'm looking at that model specifically is the 20x optical zoom and a very high quality lens (I currently own a Sony and it's been a very good camera so I'm not biased). <BR>

toolfan 08-21-2003 1:37 PM

i have a canon XL1. its good. it has durability issues though. i took to film hunt in alaska and hd to resend it back to canon to get is overhauled.no major problems luckily.

du540 08-21-2003 2:36 PM

We use the Sony VX2000 and two smaller Sony TRV-900s. <BR> <BR>I did alot of research, the VX2K and the Cannon GL-2 are pretty even. Each has some small advantages over the other. We're planning to pick up a GL-2 for next summer so we'll have one of each, plus our smaller cams. <BR> <BR>You should go to cnet.com, that's where I did most of my research on "pro-sumer" cameras.

renegade 08-21-2003 8:11 PM

want an kickass one for a dope price..go on ebay and look at the sony vx1000, its what all the prosnowboard/skateboard filmers use aside from their 16mm setups. If you can get one consider yourself lucky.

upupnaway 08-22-2003 6:29 AM

Computer video maker mag has great comparison tests on all dv and digital cameras, and they seem very non-biased based on the variety of winners. They list out all of the important features on an easy comparison chart. <BR>They also usually have the scoop on new products on the way, and pending price drops. <BR>It is a great way to find the features you need without the ones you do not need in one camera. <BR> <BR>by the way, I spent the extra couple hundred bucks on the biggest view screen they had, only to find out I cannot stand using it to film. live and learn i guess. My next camera will have the smallest screen available, seeing as how it is a vestigle option for me.

demi_barbito 08-22-2003 7:31 AM

I have the GL-1. I've used it for a few years to film instructional videos. It's the best thing since sliced bread. <BR> <BR>It has all the user friendly features as well as the broadcast quality picture. <BR> <BR>I may pick up a GL-2 in the future for two camera shoots. <BR> <BR>This was all filmed on a GL-1 <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.demibarbito.com/demo.html" target="_blank">http://www.demibarbito.com/demo.html</a> <BR> <BR>Demi

tdeneka 08-25-2003 6:55 PM

Thanks for the comments . . .

shutupandboard 08-25-2003 7:08 PM

The time i can most tell the difference is in lower light situations.

scott_a 08-25-2003 9:35 PM

When your looking for cameras that are thousands of dollars the biggest factor is going to be personal preference. I regularly use a Canon XL-1 and a Canon GL-2, and I have also used a Sony VX2000 and Canon GL-1. I like the XL-1 because its just a damn nice camera (significanly more expensive though), I like the VX-2000 because it is a bit longer so its easier to hold still and because it has manual audio recording controls. I like the GL-1 because it uses the same batteries etc that the XL-1 has so since I own both I can use the same batteries for each camera. The GL-2 is the same as the GL-1 but has several upgrades such as manual audio controls (like the VX2000 has). <BR> <BR>just to add to Jeremy Ambrister's comment- the GL-1 and GL-2 suck in low light situations...the VX2000 will outperform them when recording in low light.

brinks 08-26-2003 9:13 PM

The Canon's also have a problem with audio <BR>going out of sinc when you film for more than 5 min.

scott_a 08-26-2003 9:27 PM

brinks- ive never noticed that, and never heard of it either. can you elaborate on this problem a bit more? is it just your camera or is it a documented problem with ALL canon cameras?

brinks 08-28-2003 2:01 AM

When you go to dump all your footage into Avid or final cut pro and you drop your video with audio into the timeline after about 5 min. <BR>the audio and video sinc start to mismatch. <BR>I do not have a canon but I have several friends that have said that and have heard that from several of my film school teachers. I actually have no experience with the canons. I figured I would avoid that if it was true when I bought my Sony vx2000. They might have fixed the problem in the last 7 months. when I edit stuff for people I will not take anything shot on a canon unless I am not going to be using the audio tracks from the raw video footage.

whit 08-28-2003 3:42 AM

PEBKAC

demi_barbito 08-28-2003 7:48 AM

Any sync problems will come from your settings on the camera and/or computer. <BR> <BR>The Canon GL-1 is a great camera and Final Cut Pro rocks.

dcervenka 08-28-2003 10:05 AM

Sony TRV-900 (predecessor to the trv-950) over 5 years use (snowboarding mainly)! Still kicking a$$ and taking names. <BR> <BR>Also have a Sony PC-101 (plam size, 1CCD). Nice when you don't want to lug around all that extra gear.... <BR> <BR> <BR>Brinks - The same thing can occur with Premiere (remember reading it somewhere, but it's never happened to me...) <BR> <BR>Found this on the web: <BR>Canons have off-speed audio clocks that cause sync drifts on long captures. Final Cut Pro has an auto-sync-compensator mode to account <BR>for this, as do Canopus NLEs and the latest Matrox drivers. <BR> <BR>With the advent of HD tv it will be interesting to see what Sony and Cannon come up with in response to JVC's new HD miniDV <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/JVC_GR_HD1/4505-6500_7-20817405.html" target="_blank">http://reviews.cnet.com/JVC_GR_HD1/4505-6500_7-20817405.html</a> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>


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