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polarbill 12-16-2011 9:18 AM

Pavati(aluminum wake boats) is advertising on wakeworld
 
I just noticed the ad here a second ago. Pretty crazy looking boat. It has a huge step in the hull. they say they are a lot lighter which has it's advantages but also it's disadvantages for warkboarding and surfing. REally egy styling.

http://www.pavati.com/wakeboarding_boat/

moon 12-16-2011 9:26 AM

That's funny, I swear someone else posted the same ad several days ago, but it seemed to only be there for a day and then gone the next. Wasn't sure if it was deleted, or didn't get many responses and dropped down the list of threads. To say the least, it is quite interesting.

diamonddad 12-16-2011 9:54 AM

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Wow. Very cool. But, what a time to start a new boat company.

It looks like they will be at the Portland/LosAngeles boat shows to see them in person.

boardjnky4 12-16-2011 10:03 AM

Holy ****, 4k lbs of ballast. The 24 footer only weighs 3500 lbs. Those are some good numbers.

wakeworld 12-16-2011 10:09 AM

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what a time to start a new boat company.
From the looks of their website, they aren't a new boat company. It just looks like they've recently gotten into the wake boat business. It's a very cool looking boat. Would be interesting to check out the wake.

guido 12-16-2011 10:18 AM

The boat in their add looks like it's missing a few pieces..... Like, the whole interior. Strange way to advertise.

Kind of a cool idea, but have you guys been in any aluminum boats lately? Noisy and kinda clunky. That dash looks all aluminum, too. I'm partial to a nice plush wake boat interior.

tyler97217 12-16-2011 10:42 AM

I was wondering why the thread was deleted a few days back...... Too bad if it is just for advertising dollars, but maybe there is more to the story.
I am anxious to see this. I will be at the Portland Boat Show and will check it out before the show starts and report back. Should be the second week in January.

spencerwm 12-16-2011 10:47 AM

Yeah I am interested to see what the boat looks like too. Maybe we need to have a nice cold Portland demo. I have a wetsuit and a bottle of rum. They need to sponsor Reed Hanson. This boat would be a better fit for his redneck lifestyle.

bruizza 12-16-2011 11:53 AM

They have skulls on them so someone will definitely buy one.

hockeysk8er222 12-16-2011 12:57 PM

Anti-Radar boat?

ixfe 12-16-2011 2:13 PM

Can't fold the tower = deal breaker

diamonddad 12-16-2011 3:10 PM

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I like the tower shape but it would need to fold. Bolt on vs weld on is a don't care. I would prefer bolt on so it can be fixed and changed with ease.

Check out their "video chair"....

polarbill 12-16-2011 3:16 PM

The whole transom is weird if you ask me. It would eb better and have more storage if it was more squared off and had a step down to the platform in the middle or all the way across like the newer malibu's.

bigdtx 12-16-2011 5:05 PM

I'm sure I saw this exact boat 2 or 3 or 4 years ago.

Is this the same one?

tyler97217 12-16-2011 10:15 PM

Yeah I think this is the same boat.... been hearing rumors about it for several years.... will see what it is all about soon...

H2o_addict 12-19-2011 12:18 PM

Answers!

1)The tower Folds- The "weld on" refers to the fact that it isn't just bolted through fiberglass. It is actually fully welded to the hull.

2)The boat has been a 3 year project and still isn't finished completely, that's why there are no actual "complete" pictures. The boat is still getting upholstery and will be finished for the 2012 Portland Boat show. (it's debut)

3)The hull is fully welded and made from "Heavy Gauge" aluminum(it's not a tin can). All compartments have been carpeted and insulated to make sure there is no noise.

Txjole 12-19-2011 12:25 PM

What Gauge?

tyler97217 12-19-2011 12:28 PM

Charles,
Will the hull make splashing noises from chop and wake like a typical aluminum hull or is there sound dampening material in there?

Do me a favor and have the cooler loaded with ice cold beer for when we come over to check it out. We should be there that Tuesday night preview night. Maybe it is Wednesday, but I think Tuesday before it starts.

Looking forward to checking it out.

loudontn 12-19-2011 1:14 PM

Wonder how easy this is to repair, fiberglass is cake and there are tons of people and shops that can do it.

polarbill 12-19-2011 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by loudontn (Post 1722241)
Wonder how easy this is to repair, fiberglass is cake and there are tons of people and shops that can do it.

I am not sure being that it is aluminum and I think aluminum is harder to weld but there has got to be a million times more welders out there then fiberglass repair guys.

loudontn 12-19-2011 1:34 PM

It says the boat is 40% lighter but their 24 foot boat weighs 3500lbs? The Malibu 247 weighs 4,000lbs.

boardjnky4 12-19-2011 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1722242)
I am not sure being that it is aluminum and I think aluminum is harder to weld but there has got to be a million times more welders out there then fiberglass repair guys.

If you hit something hard enough to put a hole in the boat, you've got other problems. Small dent should be able to be banged/pulled out.

moon 12-19-2011 1:37 PM

Dang, just found out I can't make it to the portland boat show. Really wanted to see this boat in person. Diggs, hopfully you can gets some pics when you report back to us.

hatepain 12-19-2011 2:24 PM

Aluminum boats are way easier and way cheaper to repair than is fiberglass. My buddy has an aluminum bass boat and anytime he has a problem he just runs it down to the Airport Welding and has it repaired for $150 or less.

H2o_addict 12-19-2011 2:55 PM

More Answers!

1)What gauge? .250 Marine Grade Aluminum (5086) Bottom, .125 5052 on the sides. Much thicker than a "standard" aluminum bass fishing boat.

2)Is it hard to fix holes/repair the aluminum? You will not put a hole in the boat- If you did it would have to be in a car accident on the way to the boat ramp- lol. Aluminum is very easily repaired if that did happen though...

3)Is it noisy on the water? After the first lake "noise test" there were a couple spots that were issues. If there was a long enough span without a stiffener you could make it "oil can" which is where the noise came in. A few stiffeners later, insulation in the right spots, and marine carpet throughout made all the difference. Noise is NOT an issue.

4)Diggs- What kind of beer are we drinking?

CobraRob 12-19-2011 4:39 PM

I will absolutely be at the Portland show too so I will take a look and pictures as well.

tyler97217 12-19-2011 4:40 PM

Busch Light is always a crowd favorite, but I drink anything! Will stop by and say hello and check out the boat.

duffymahoney 12-19-2011 4:45 PM

Sick! And congrats, I have been dreaming of an aluminum wakeboat for years.

hatepain 12-19-2011 5:40 PM

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Busch Light is always a crowd favorite
Don't put me in that crowd :)

05mobiuslsv 12-19-2011 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hatepain (Post 1722296)
Don't put me in that crowd :)

You must prefer the Busch heavy then....;)

tyler97217 12-19-2011 6:34 PM

Nu Bu.......... Gold tops ay.... You coming down for the boat show? Don't you have some customers to visit or something?

ilikebeaverandboats 12-19-2011 7:35 PM

I think they need a better marketing campaign. I see little advantage over a fiberglass hull. It looks sweet, but I see it ending up being more trouble than its worth.

05mobiuslsv 12-19-2011 8:44 PM

Tyler you know it, wouldn't miss it. You gonna be rolling deep with that posse again? Busch Light guy all the way, cheers drink to that.

jeff359 12-20-2011 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler97217 (Post 1722282)
Busch Light is always a crowd favorite, but I drink anything! Will stop by and say hello and check out the boat.


You have someone else buying beer, and you request Busch Light? I stopped drinking that stuff when I got a job.

tyler97217 12-20-2011 7:28 AM

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When I got a job I just bought more of it....

ha ha.... I hope to be classy some day, but for now......

grant_west 12-20-2011 7:55 AM

Video chair? Are they saying you can sit back there and video while the boat is under way? I dont think that position is legal in California . As far as I know there has to be some sort of rail and or boat surrounding the passenger as the boat is under way for it to be a legal sitting position.

The first impression I have is "that's cool" but my next thought is Why? What are the Advantages of a lighter aluminum boat. Gas mileage , quicker on plane times. Ect. But I do not see any numbers to support the claims. IE a test like you took a fully loaded X star and and timed how long it takes it to get on plane. Then do the same test with this boat. Out fit both boats with a gallons per hr gauge to show what kind of gas both boats are using and show the potential savings .

My guess is the saving in gas are not going to support the extra cost in construction. My guess is this boat is not going to be any cheaper than a xstar .

IMO the advantage of this boat is its unique. It's more of a one off. Built for the person that wants Somthing not everyone has. I saw the same type of unique theme in that all wood Stancraft (all wood wake setter)

The craftminship in this boat unreal. to make those shapes out of thick aluminum is not easy and a dying craft. My hat's off to you

jeff_mn 12-20-2011 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by grant_west (Post 1722356)
Video chair? Are they saying you can sit back there and video while the boat is under way? I dont think that position is legal in California . As far as I know there has to be some sort of rail and or boat surrounding the passenger as the boat is under way for it to be a legal sitting position.

The first impression I have is "that's cool" but my next thought is Why? What are the Advantages of a lighter aluminum boat. Gas mileage , quicker on plane times. Ect. But I do not see any numbers to support the claims. IE a test like you took a fully loaded X star and and timed how long it takes it to get on plane. Then do the same test with this boat. Out fit both boats with a gallons per hr gauge to show what kind of gas both boats are using and show the potential savings .

My guess is the saving in gas are not going to support the extra cost in construction. My guess is this boat is not going to be any cheaper than a xstar .

IMO the advantage of this boat is its unique. It's more of a one off. Built for the person that wants Somthing not everyone has. I saw the same type of unique theme in that all wood Stancraft (all wood wake setter)

The craftminship in this boat unreal. to make those shapes out of thick aluminum is not easy and a dying craft. My hat's off to you

lol..

The marketed it EXACTLY the way that you said to.. They make no claims about it being anything "better" but market it as being a one off..

wakeworld 12-20-2011 10:44 AM

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Out fit both boats with a gallons per hr gauge
Now there's an idea for a boat company or aftermarket company! I'd love to have something that accurately measures how much gas I'm using with different props, weight configurations, etc. Somebody do this. Sorry to get off track!

alindquist 12-20-2011 11:40 AM

GPH gauges have been around for a long time... My buddies with fishing boats have them, makes it pretty easy to figure out what everybody owes at the end of a trip. Not sure why they don't put them on wakeboard boats since everyone is so concerned with how much gas they burn... Yamaha, Mercury, Volvo, and Mercuiser all have them...

ottog1979 12-20-2011 12:02 PM

The most accurate who-owes-what gauge: Bring the boat to the lake full. Fill up again on the way home. Divide this bill by the number of buddies plus you.
For GPH guage: Note hours at last fill up. Note hours at fill up on the way home. Divide gallons by hours.

I have an easy Excel spreadsheet if anyone wants.

norcalrider 12-20-2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alindquist (Post 1722398)
Not sure why they don't put them on wakeboard boats since everyone is so concerned with how much gas they burn... Yamaha, Mercury, Volvo, and Mercuiser all have them...

I posted about a simple consumption guage (just measures the fuel that has been pumped into the engine) a few weeks ago. All the responses were about combined consumption/GPH guages which are ~$300 for the cheap one. I was hoping to avoid the cost of the multiguage. Guessing the wakeboat companies don't want to spend the $300-700 for another guage.

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Originally Posted by ottog1979 (Post 1722400)
The most accurate who-owes-what gauge: Bring the boat to the lake full. Fill up again on the way home. Divide this bill by the number of buddies plus you.
For GPH guage: Note hours at last fill up. Note hours at fill up on the way home. Divide gallons by hours.

I have an easy Excel spreadsheet if anyone wants.

That only gives you an average. I think Dave was suggesting a more "on the fly approach." Also it allows you to figure out your most efficient cruising RPM.

hatepain 12-20-2011 1:19 PM

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Busch Light guy all the way, cheers drink to that.
Shoulda told me, I could have saved some money when I bough thtat Modelo for you :)

wakeworld 12-20-2011 1:20 PM

^^^ Exactly. I know how to calculate how much gas I used for a day on the water. However, realtime calculations would be great if there is a way to measure exactly how much fuel is being fed into the engine. I know that anything based on the amount of fuel that is estimated to be in the tank wouldn't work very well because of the inaccuracy of boat fuel gauges. Does anyone know of an aftermarket gauge like this?

norcalrider 12-20-2011 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wakeworld (Post 1722408)
^^^ Exactly. I know how to calculate how much gas I used for a day on the water. However, realtime calculations would be great if there is a way to measure exactly how much fuel is being fed into the engine. I know that anything based on the amount of fuel that is estimated to be in the tank wouldn't work very well because of the inaccuracy of boat fuel gauges. Does anyone know of an aftermarket gauge like this?

http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/index.php

05mobiuslsv 12-21-2011 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hatepain (Post 1722407)
Shoulda told me, I could have saved some money when I bough thtat Modelo for you :)

Hey guy I'm good with Modelo, I don't discriminate.

fman 12-21-2011 9:16 AM

Just curious, how hot does aluminum get in direct sunlight on a 100+ degree day? Would it be screaming hot to the touch? more so than fiberglass/gelcoat?

tyler97217 12-21-2011 10:14 AM

I would think it would depend on the color. I don't think Aluminum gets hot or conducts heat. The color it was painted would however. Could be wrong, but pretty sure.
Think about your aluminum tower. I have never felt one that was hot to the touch.

tn_rider 12-21-2011 10:25 AM

Mark my words this thing could be SCOLDING HOTi own 2 aluminum boats and the floor gets so hot in summer it will burn your feet.

H2o_addict 12-21-2011 11:28 AM

Aluminum actually dissipates heat really well. That's one of the reasons they make great radiators. I have left beer cans out in triple digit heat and never had one burn my hand... has anyone ever picked up a busch light that was left in the sun? It's just warm and flat.

Anyhow, If the boat has full carpet kit and interior like a standard wake boat then you won't get much contact with the surface at all. Color will have more to do with it than anything, glass or aluminum.

tn_rider 12-21-2011 11:32 AM

What about resting your arm on the top deck? Nice and tender spot for a 3rd degree burn :P

polarbill 12-21-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tn_rider (Post 1722516)
What about resting your arm on the top deck? Nice and tender spot for a 3rd degree burn :P

Who says it isnt' going to be painted?

Would aluminum that is painted black be any hotter then gelcoat that is black? What about white paint vs white gel?

tn_rider 12-21-2011 3:28 PM

Isnt metal a good conductor for heat? Aluminum being one of the best? I may be wrong but I know I've personally felt the floor of aluminum boats that were painted hunter green and they were HOT.

tn_rider 12-21-2011 3:32 PM

But hey it may have it's upsides to being hot. Noting like being able to crack an egg and fry it on the side of your boat after a morning set!

tyler97217 12-21-2011 5:11 PM

chase... you answered your own question.... It was painted dark green. Of course it was hot. My tower is never hot. I grab aluminum foil with food out of the oven with my bare hands. It is not hot. If it is painted a dark color it will be hot. If not, it will not be hot.

tyler97217 01-10-2012 9:44 AM

I am gonna see this bad boy tonight. Anyone have any specific questions I should ask or a pic of anything?

simplej 01-10-2012 10:42 AM

Wake please

tyler97217 01-10-2012 10:45 AM

Might be tough since it will be at the boat show, but maybe they have a big pool in there!!!!

simplej 01-10-2012 11:17 AM

Hahaha oh you should've specified! In that case just ask them about ballast/weight distribution/ wake shape

psudy 01-10-2012 11:45 AM

I am curious about the cost.

CobraRob 01-10-2012 5:14 PM

As much as I wanted to go tomorrow I don't think I can get out of work till late.. Looks like I might have to go with the crowds on saturday :(

tyler97217 01-11-2012 8:08 AM

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Made it last night and saw some cool stuff. I did not take many pics, but here are a few pics of the Pavati from my phone. Really cool to see something totally different and one off. This market is not gonna be easy to penetrate, but I wish them luck. They definitely spent some serious time making this boat. This is the first boat and hopefully we will see some more in the future. Hopefully we can lure them up to Portland this summer to actually see it on the water with all the other boats. It is an eye catcher. You could tell their drift boats were definitely a step above the other brands out there, but I have to admit I know nothing about drift boats.
Price tag they are trying to hit is $100K, but he said he can build them to get closer to the $60-$70K. Not sure what all would be eliminated.....
Lots of room in the engine compartment and that back seat lifts straight up for easy access. You can access from both sides. Not sure the back seat is legal to sit in while driving, but sure looked comfy for when you are just tied up hanging out.
Sorry I did not take more pics. I am not much of a picture guy.
Here are some pics....... And yes he had a Busch Light waiting!!!

simplej 01-11-2012 8:30 AM

Pretty impressive but the price tag wow......

ScottR 01-11-2012 8:48 AM

That carpet looks horrible!

tyler97217 01-11-2012 8:51 AM

Probably just the picture. It was actually a nice thick high grade carpet that was snap out. Similar to MB and MC carpet. The front did have Skulls in it (not my style) and the main body of carpet actually said PAVATI in the carpet and looked good. Since it is one off it sounds like you can do it however you would want.

ScottR 01-11-2012 8:56 AM

ahhhh just looked really scrapped up....piece by piece it looks like.

corerider 01-11-2012 9:31 AM

As far as styling goes, the dash just looks like an afterthought to me. The gauges are cheap looking, layout isn't great (switches put where ever there was room), and not user-friendly. The boat looks great until I see the dash. I'm not too sure about those steps on the transome either... It may just be the pics, but they don't look deep enough to be a good step to me. I can definately appreciate the fab skills it took to manufacture though. Lots of man hours went into welding and grinding alone! I wish them luck though!

psudy 01-11-2012 9:38 AM

Looks badass to me(except for the skulls!).

I don't think you would want to sit on the transom with the motor running.

wakereviews 01-11-2012 10:25 AM

yeah, those steps seem kind of useless... should have cut them out a little deeper and put in some cup holders :)

loudontn 01-11-2012 10:39 AM

I dig the pics Diggs. I kind of agree with Jason, it all looks very well put together until you see the dash. Think the dash looks like several people with different ideas worked together and they couldn't come to a mutual decision so each of them put their ideas on the dash.

The back seat looks really comfortable, dig the cup holders too!

psudy 01-11-2012 11:52 AM

Whats the big hole next to the exhaust? Just noticed it had underwater LEDs. Nice touch.

Dmaxed 01-11-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by psudy (Post 1725284)
Whats the big hole next to the exhaust? Just noticed it had underwater LEDs. Nice touch.

Could be the ballast system

srock 01-11-2012 12:22 PM

I would have built a crossover v-hull instead of a large pickle as the first boat. If its light and you can add a bunch of ballast is should excel as a multi-sport. ..something no one else has perfected. Dump the funky transom and add storage. I wish them luck.

kybool 01-11-2012 12:33 PM

I like it, finally something truly innovative in the Wakeboat space. I would imagine, since they are made to order, you could tell them to do whatever you want with the transom and the dash. And yes, mine would also be scull-less.

boardjnky4 01-11-2012 12:46 PM

Very good start for a concept. At $100k, it's going to be tough to convince anyone to buy it, though.

psudy 01-11-2012 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmaxed (Post 1725286)
Could be the ballast system

If thats true, it should fill realllllly fast with both of those.

mastercraf 01-11-2012 2:00 PM

If you look on the website some of the problems that have been brought up seem to be relieved. It says it's customizable all the way down to gauges and paint. The dash doesn't have to be skulls, and like it says I think they leave the gauge layout open ended to the customer. Seems like an awesome concept, but at the same time seems pricey. Also I just noticed that they have different models listed, so they may be looking at different length and size models.

That being said the chair is a cool concept, but maybe should just be a customizable option. And the back is really bulky past the engine cover. It woud be difficult coming in and out of the boat IMO, even with the steps. But I digress....the boat looks cool and I would like to see some wake pictures!

tyler97217 01-11-2012 2:01 PM

It has the pure vert ballast system in it.

jeff_mn 01-11-2012 2:27 PM

Why would people nit pick the stupid stuff? The skulls? The gauges? This boat is a whole new concept for wakeboarding. Sure, there are some "personal" choices in this boat. Who cares. Natiques have stupid graphics and stuff on the floors of some of their boats,etc. That's all changeable.

I don't care for the look of the steps - but that doesnt take away from how cool this is. VERY strong (this is thick stuff) aluminum makes this a GREAT option for guys say in... NorCal where debris is an issue.. If you could figure out some sort of a prop guard - you could boat in some different conditions. The boat itself should be lighter than a fiberglass boat - allowing for lighter tow rigs and increased fuel economy when unloaded. The Pure Very system is awesome.

LOL @ anyone talking about $100k being an "issue". Nearly every boat on the market aside from a half dozen is MSRP'd at 100k and up. Who knows what the Pavati will actually sell for - but a Natique 230, X Star, MC X30, the big Wakesetter, etc ALL msrp over $100k.

I think we should support these guys and thinking outside of the box and bringing TRUE innovation to the market. Everyone is pissed about the new ugly towers and the screen dash set ups and when someone shows up with something TRULY innovative - you guys are talking about the design cut into the carpet and the painting on the dash..

Congratulate, dont hate.

mastercraf 01-11-2012 2:34 PM

The cutout to the right of the steering wheel is tight...put your iphone or ipod in it and keeps it relatively dry

slax303 01-12-2012 10:02 AM

Looks awesome. The only thing that I would really change is the transom. Not a huge fan of the set up back there. The seat is a nice idea, but its not practical. The rounded back seems a bit akward if you're getting into the boat from the back, regardless of the small cutouts. I would rather it be a little more square back there and have a little more storage room. Other than that, the small issues that people are bringing up (graphics, dash, etc..) are true, but easily changed. If I were in the market for a new boat right now, I would at least take it out and test it on the water. I like the idea of aluminum over fiberglass. Price tag does seems a bit ridiculous when youre just breaking into the industry though. Its going to be tough for a company that is new to this area of the industry, to market a completely different kind of boat at such a premium price. Most people won't look twice, and would just go drop that same amount of money on a proven name like MC or Malibu.

I'm headed to the show tomorrow.. Excited to see it in person


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