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surfdad 11-19-2011 6:00 PM

2012 mb b52 - 23
 
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Drew Richardson of Surffresh.com picked up a new B-52 from the Factory and took it by Larson's Marine in Stockton for a surf specfic ballast upgrade install. Drew invited us to surf it tomorrow and I'll post some pictures of the wake and better pics of the boat itself, in the daylight, hopefully late tomorrow or Monday.

I don't know much about the boat, but I'll try and get some specifics from Drew tomorrow while we are out on the lake. I did notice the V in the hull looks substantial and the swim deck is mostly filled in underneath. Also it's a single outlet exhaust.

Anyway, here are some pictures for you MB fans.

surfdad 11-19-2011 6:02 PM

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Shoot talked about the exhaust and V and didn't include the picture!

shawndoggy 11-19-2011 6:29 PM

please post up details on the ballast specs... would like to know what I'm in for if the upgrade bug calls.

FWIW on our 2011 we usually don't run beyond stock, but have found that the wave is substantially better with the non-surf-side half full-ish.

surfdad 11-19-2011 7:07 PM

Thanks shawndoggy. This has an 800 sac on top of the stock 1200 tank on the port side and I believe 600 on the starboard tank. I will verify that with Drew tomorrow. You're also finding that 1/2 full on the off side is a good starting point?

shawndoggy 11-19-2011 10:30 PM

We've never run that heavy. The most I've run is two bricks and a 400. 400 on the floor and bricks on surf side seats, along with full surf side ballast and half full non-surf. We found that the bags were a PITA and didn't really add to the wave. Next season I'd really like to try weight in the nose.

This is just full surf side and half full on the off side with 4 in the boat:

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/z...g?t=1317936242

we do get a fair amount of prop wash though. It looks worse in the pic than it is, but ... I am considering a "duffy flap" on the swim deck for next season....

surfdad 11-20-2011 5:26 PM

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Thanks for the 1/2 fill the off side tip shawndoggy, that did the trick. This was a great wake on both sides. Drew was indicating that it is a right hand rotation. Definately a lot of fun.

surfdad 11-20-2011 5:29 PM

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and a few pictures of the boat in the sun!

ilikebeaverandboats 11-20-2011 6:39 PM

I really like it!

tmill 11-20-2011 6:42 PM

by a RH prop rotation do you mean it favors the goofy side? like a reverse rotation enzo?

surfdad 11-20-2011 6:50 PM

@ Joey, it was a great boat, really fun wakes.

@ Trevor, yes indeed. Drew told me that it favors the darkside some, so he reduced the ballast bag by 200 pounds from the regular side. The regular side wake sure seemed great to me.

shawndoggy 11-20-2011 7:53 PM

what speed were you guys running?

rmotoxxx711 11-20-2011 8:12 PM

I don't know about about the surf on it but my buddy has got the same boat and I roll the 1200 plus a 600 in the sitting area and 350 up front with 5 people and that wake is so dope for riding (comparing to my '02 San with 3000lbs)... Oh Larson Marine is the **** by the way

shawndoggy 11-20-2011 8:44 PM

This is just factory ballast with two people in the boat, running 13.6 (I was trying to see how fast I could go without my son falling out):

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surfdad 11-21-2011 6:03 AM

We ran at 11 mph all day. The stock ballast is probably all that's needed for most folks, depending upon your crew for the day. The boat really seemed to like weight in the back. What I found interesting was that the transition remained really stable through all the weight ranges we tried during the day.

duffymahoney 11-21-2011 9:54 AM

Does anyone know if the hull is different? Looks deeper and a more of V shape?

SWS 11-21-2011 10:22 AM

The hull is the same it has been for some time now. MB is building a new 24' as we speak though.

duffymahoney 11-21-2011 10:39 AM

Any idea when it changed? Hopefully they fix their picklefork.

johnboyy7 11-21-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shawndoggy (Post 1718953)
This is just factory ballast with two people in the boat, running 13.6 (I was trying to see how fast I could go without my son falling out):

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you son will make a great surf breaker/poper.

shawndoggy 11-21-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by johnboyy7 (Post 1719012)
you son will make a great surf breaker/poper.

LOL yes this was his warm up for the junior wakesurf robot worlds ;).

surfdad 11-21-2011 4:52 PM

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That is a great vid! :)

A few additional pictures I thought folks might like to see. A few of the dash, I'm not sure what in there is optional. Standing on the engine cover looking forward. A picture of the port side sac filled, it didn't fill the locker and didn't extend up under the bench seat. Sort of as a comparison, the starboard side sac, empty, so you can see where it stopped.

I can't remember what order I uploaded them!!!! Sorry!

bruizza 11-22-2011 9:58 AM

Great looking wave! I was impressed with the wave when we demoed. We threw a 500lb sac up front. I only wakeboarded behind it when we demoed but the surf wave looked amazing.

surfdad 11-22-2011 10:26 AM

Yeah it sure was fun. We didn't run any weight forward. Well, I take that back, Drew took a smoke break or two up there, but mostly there was no weight in the bow, everyone was behind the windshield. It was crazy windy and cold, so we were all huddled in the back. :)

I took several videos, but this is the only one I've uploaded. James' 7 at the beginning took him pretty far back, but if you look at where he pumps in, around the 50 second mark, after the turn down into the narrows at Hogan, it gives a real good idea of the length of the pocket. He was able to squeeze in a few pumps, he normal just hits one on most wakes. It didn't seem like it needed any weight up front.

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dreamer 11-22-2011 10:51 AM

Nice video. Did you have the trim tab all the way up in that video? If you drop it down to 50% would it take care of that prop wash?

surfdad 11-22-2011 11:02 AM

Thanks! It's my fingers over the lens at the beginning that makes that video :) We messed with the trim tab a bit...I can't remember where it was set when we took that video. So it might help? Dunno. It was horribly windy that day, if you look at that first picture of James way up above where he is at the back of the pocket and behind him there is all that spray - that isn't him, that's just the wind blowing the wash all over :) This wake did have something going on though. The swim deck never touched the water, and the flow of the water coming off the sides and from the prop converged about 6 inches past the swim deck. At that convergence there was that random sort of spray upward. Some of it actually came forward. It was weird. I'd love to see a slightly longer swim deck, I think that'd tame it, or maybe like you suggest changing the trim tab some.

duffymahoney 11-22-2011 12:13 PM

Fun looking wave. MB boats are looking better and better!

surffresh 11-22-2011 3:27 PM

When we first got started I trimed down one quarter and forgot about it so it stayed there for the rest of the day even on goofy and it worked very well. As cold as it was we all just wanted to see what it could do. I can only amagine if we had a few days with better conditions and time to move pop sacks around, different trim settings etc. I have some great pics and will get them up as soon as I get over the jet lag, red eye hell :(

ragboy 11-23-2011 10:22 AM

Nothing more fun than playing with a new boat. ;-)

surffresh 11-23-2011 4:27 PM

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Starting from the begining I met the beast at Larson's Marine in Stockton and they ( Felix and Nate) installed the ballast system that I had shipped to them from Wakemakers, thanks for the help Spencer and a SHOUT OUT for WAKE MAKERS on good ideas and making it happen without a lot of time. So here are some random shots of the pumps, ports, etc. going in. We went with a 600lb on starboard and a 800lb on port, 2 Jabsco reversable pumps, two through hull intake valves with shutoff, and 2 side holes, one vent / overflow and one dump / empty.

surffresh 11-23-2011 5:26 PM

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Here is one of a pump mounted to a sidewall of a hard factory ballast tank

surffresh 11-23-2011 6:59 PM

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Here are some of "The Rusults" pictures, once I remembered that I did not fill the reg stock tank half full the goofy side was just as good and I believe that both were as good or better than any of us have ever seen, and that was on a first time out with a 23 B52 ever, I am ordering one Monday, colors picked, enjoy and Happy Thanksgiving folks !

lakesurfer 11-23-2011 7:48 PM

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I believe that both were as good or better than any of us have ever seen

Of any boat?

surffresh 11-25-2011 10:28 AM

sorry jkw....but this sounds like an invitation into a can of worms, for anyones referance go back and look at the 2nd picture of James and "the wall"...maybe Jeff will include one of his pictures that he has on facebook of the goofy wake, the one with Eric on the rope and about 3 feet of drop below him is outstanding. The 2 pictures show how good each side is, I just wish the light was better in mine, time for some football !!!

h20king 11-25-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1719314)
Here is one of a pump mounted to a sidewall of a hard factory ballast tank

Might want to think about flipping the pumps.If the seal fails water will fill the motor and ruin the pump

h20king 11-25-2011 11:40 AM

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Of any boat?

Lake of course not click on the surffresh link they show MB and supreme boats but the center of there Logo has a pic of an Enzo LOL I think that says it all

lakesurfer 11-25-2011 11:58 AM

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Lake of course not click on the surffresh link they show MB and supreme boats but the center of there Logo has a pic of an Enzo LOL I think that says it all

I just laugh because it seems about this time each year he starts selling a different boat brand and makes the same claim. Last year it was the Supreme 226 and this year its the MB 23 WB (which I am sure are both great boats). Before that, I am sure it was the Enzo or Avy.

I am sure Surffresh is a great guy, but to claim any one wave is the best is crazy (especially when the claim is coming from a guy trying to sell the boat).

lakesurfer 11-25-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1719401)
sorry jkw....but this sounds like an invitation into a can of worms, for anyones referance go back and look at the 2nd picture of James and "the wall"...maybe Jeff will include one of his pictures that he has on facebook of the goofy wake, the one with Eric on the rope and about 3 feet of drop below him is outstanding. The 2 pictures show how good each side is, I just wish the light was better in mine, time for some football !!!

It is not an invitation, that is just a very bold statement you made. I just wanted to make sure I heard it right. BTW, its a nice wave, but it really does not look any better than the Avy I just sold. It surely does not look and better than the numerous Enzo 230/240/244, Wake9 RZ2/24 Ve/Z3, Bu 247, etc pics or videos I have seen.

But as long as its the best wave to you, that is all that matters.

lakesurfer 11-25-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1719401)
the 2nd picture of James and "the wall"

James is vertically challenged like I am:) So if you leaned way over the side of my Enzo and
took a pic of me while I squatted at the bottom of my turn, it would look like my wave was over my head:rolleyes:

Were you not running the same set up in this pic?


BTW: I am stuck at my in-laws, so I am a little grumpy today.

surfdad 11-25-2011 8:32 PM

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James is 5'9'ish. Pretty average height, not challenged, not freakishly tall either.

The pictures you compared are in fact with different configurations, as well as, different cameras, and different locations. The cameras were held at different heights and different locations within the boat for the pictures you are trying to compare.

I'm not a big fan of superlatives, this was a fun boat and wake. Not the biggest, best, longest or anything else. It was a great deal of fun, though!

The darkside wake pictures that Drew referenced. Eric rides regular he was trying front side switch for the first time.

lakesurfer 11-26-2011 5:10 AM

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Originally Posted by surfdad (Post 1719443)
James is 5'9'ish. Pretty average height, not challenged, not freakishly tall either.

The pictures you compared are in fact with different configurations, as well as, different cameras, and different locations. The cameras were held at different heights and different locations within the boat for the pictures you are trying to compare.

I'm not a big fan of superlatives, this was a fun boat and wake. Not the biggest, best, longest or anything else. It was a great deal of fun, though!

The darkside wake pictures that Drew referenced. Eric rides regular he was trying front side switch for the first time.

Surfdad/Surffresh: please just ignore me, just bored and stuck all week at the in laws. I really was just being a smart*ss more than anything. Great looking wave. I always thought MB makes a great boat.

As for James, Surfdad is correct - "vertically challenged" was probably a little strong. I guess we are both average height at around 5'9"ish.

surfdad 11-26-2011 6:08 AM

Deal. I'm an EXPERT on vertically challenged at 5'4" James towers over me! :) I hear you on the in-laws stuff, makes folks not quite themselves! I hope the time passes quickly for you!

CarFanatic5 11-29-2011 8:06 AM

guys what do these boats run about price wise?

surfdad 11-29-2011 8:42 AM

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When I picked the boat up for Drew, I asked that same question of the folks at Larson Marine. The base price for the boat at Larson is 60,000. The boat pictured above, Drew indicated, had 9,000 worth of options. I don't know what all of those are, but I'm sure the stereo and the 409 ci engine are two.

wakereviews 11-30-2011 8:02 AM

This is my demo for sale.... doesn't have the 409 or quick to plane plate, but it's good buy!
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=29676

surfdad 12-15-2011 5:11 AM

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I swiped this picture off of Facebook. I'm not sure I like the Yellow one we got to ride, this color combo is a little more pleasing in my eyes.

you_da_man 12-16-2011 11:48 AM

I'm really like this one...making me thinking about selling my Axis to get it.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...13_x640_03.jpg

getssum 12-16-2011 2:01 PM

Good lookin boat right there!

surfdad 12-17-2011 6:51 AM

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That is a good looking boat. The darker gelcoat seems to look better to me.

I found some additional pictures from when we rode behind that boat. Not to infer that it's the biggest/best or any other superlative, but it was a really fun wake to ride.

Woody 12-17-2011 8:15 AM

Jeff, how would you compare that wake to your wake(V226)? BTW I just bought Drew's 2011 V226.

surfdad 12-17-2011 9:05 AM

You got a killer deal Woody! We had a LOT more weight in the MB than we normally use in our V226, so I'm not sure if the comparison I can make is really all that useful to you. We had close to 1,000 pounds more ballast in the MB, that day, than I have ever had in my V226.

That said, the MB in that configuragtion had a taller wake, without losing the transition, plus it was longer. Well, the usable wake was longer. Once it curls over, I count that as done. :) It was fun!

Have you had your V226 out yet? I'd love to see pictures of your wake.

Woody 12-17-2011 12:34 PM

I still cant believe the killer deal I got on the boat. I will not be getting the boat until after Christmas because I'm leaving for the Dominican Republic tomorrow morning. Sadly I live in NJ and it's cold here, so I wont be using the boat until April or so.

How much weight are you using in your boat and how do you have it configured? I think I'm going to have a custom enzo sac made for the boat and maybe hand fill on in the bow if it needs it. I'm sure I'll sac it out real heavy a handful of times to see what that bad boy will do.

surfdad 12-17-2011 4:47 PM

We don't have the stock tanks at all, so our ballast consists of custom sacks on both the port and starboard side. I believe theorethical maximum is 1,500 port and 1,300 starboard. I doubt we're within 200 of those maximums. Then the center tank filled, which I believe is in the 250 pound range. The rest is people weight. With one person riding it's typically just 250 to 300 pounds. So maybe 1,800 to 2,000 pounds'ish dependant upon crew.

We were on your boat in Florida with like 10 or so people and the wake was great fun!

CarFanatic5 04-16-2012 8:29 AM

guys do you know if the 21 foot version can produce a good wake as well?

tonyv420 04-16-2012 10:38 AM

I really like the MB B-52, and happy they still have a reasonable price range! To bad I'm stuck with my Avy, LOL! Not really, haha I love my Avy wave!! If I was going to trade it in, the B-52 would definatley be one I would test ride!

surffresh 04-16-2012 10:45 AM

hey Brendon, got your email from OIB, I am at the apple store getting set up with a new pc, so my email is out for now but will be back tonight, yep I am a dealer

tomcat21 04-16-2012 7:41 PM

What size is the trim tab they put on the MB is it a lenco 12 x18 edge-mount

surffresh 04-17-2012 7:22 AM

I am starting to think that the tab causes some rain drops and when the tab is put down a bit they come backwards into the boat, I am going to test a boat (MB) without a tab next week.

hunter660 04-17-2012 7:47 AM

You starting to have doubts about the trim tab Drew?

CarFanatic5 04-17-2012 7:50 AM

so no trim tab?

surffresh 04-17-2012 10:16 AM

no I like what it does, just the shape may need some work bc I am start to think by process of elimination that it is the culprit, it's a very small thing but I am looking for perfection, it has sides that come up and I think they may scoop

hunter660 04-17-2012 10:56 AM

I wonder if they could do something like this if the edges are causing a problem.

http://www.questionanswers.info/wp-c...361.sized_.jpg

surffresh 05-22-2012 4:10 AM

that's crazy Jon!

dreamer 05-22-2012 7:56 AM

Drew, did the mods to the wake plate help? Show us the results.

ed_g 05-22-2012 10:01 AM

Drew - awesome boat man. Congrats

Doesn't that boat come thru Clermont on it's way home?

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surffresh 05-22-2012 11:26 AM

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thanks Ed, I sold that boat to a girl in Russia, this is behind my new one that I have on Lake Norman Charlotte NC area, my niece in the pic is 6', I have figured out that by trimming it down a little more it cleans up fine on the 23

ilikebeaverandboats 05-22-2012 12:27 PM

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thanks Ed, I sold that boat to a girl in Russia, this is behind my new one that I have on Lake Norman Charlotte NC area, my niece in the pic is 6', I have figured out that by trimming it down a little more it cleans up fine on the 23

DAMN. what speed?!

surffresh 05-22-2012 12:33 PM

10.8

surffresh 06-08-2012 2:36 PM

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here is one for the books, it's my wife on a Shred Stixx Thresher, behind my new demo set up just like the yellow one above, she's about 5'6" average hight

CarFanatic5 06-08-2012 3:09 PM

holy crap.....

22vdrive 06-09-2012 5:38 AM

Wow please post more pics of that monster.

kayakwv 06-09-2012 9:36 AM

Video please!
 
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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1758630)
here is one for the books, it's my wife on a Shred Stixx Thresher, behind my new demo set up just like the yellow one above, she's about 5'6" average hight

Looks to big to be true. Awesome.

timmyb 06-11-2012 1:06 PM

What's the total weight that you are running Drew?

CarFanatic5 06-11-2012 1:23 PM

guys how is the goof side wake? all these pics seem to be on the regular side.

tuneman 06-12-2012 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by surffresh (Post 1758630)
here is one for the books, it's my wife on a Shred Stixx Thresher, behind my new demo set up just like the yellow one above, she's about 5'6" average hight

Nice Photoshop work...

surffresh 06-12-2012 2:45 PM

no tune man it's 100% the real deal, we turned around and hit a double up and the pic was taken right when the wave blew up, scroll up @carfan , few good goofy shots, the prop is goofy rotation so the boat favors a goofy wave


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