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donnieb 10-19-2011 1:03 AM

2012 Enzo - Goofy and Regular Wakes Are Both Great?
 
Iíve read a lot of posts where people say you need a reverse prop rotation to get a good goofy wake on an Enzo.

However, Iíve heard with the new 2012 Enzo 244ís, the regular and goofy wakes are both great Ė that Centurion has fixed this issue. All one has to do is make a one-time minor adjustment to the rudder (???) with an Allen wrench and then you donít have to mess with it again.

Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks.

wakewoody 11-01-2011 7:46 PM

isn"t there a rep or someone who can answer this yet?

lakesurfer 11-01-2011 7:53 PM

1. this has been answered here:

http://www.centurioncrew.com/index.p...re-both-great/

2. and can see the results here (my understanding is that both of these boats had this adjustment)

2012 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1zrbApm8_OI

2011 230 +: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=7ARxJ4sVxGc

3. I have been told the Inland Surfer guys say this adjustment significantly helps the wake. Still not as good as the regular side, but a great wave non the less

ragboy 11-02-2011 2:36 AM

Some good info in that thread. I was definitely told of it in 2011 by Bret Potts. And then Mark Sher also told me personally it helped a lot, but made the boat pull significantly in one direction. I did not know it took an allen wrench at the prop though. I had assumed this adjustment was being made at the polar bear events, but I know the boat wasn't pulled out of the water in 2011. It was pulled out of the water this year, but not before the goofy session.

Every boat at the polar bear does each side, and this year we had 3 groups, and one group was goofy. The centurion 211 did 3 sessions, regular, regular, goofy. I am pretty sure it came out of the water after first session, we had lunch, and then we switched groups on the water for the second to third sessions, which you can see at the "stinger" or beginning of the video when the titles are being displayed.

I will try to find out about this year, but my guess is that if it takes an allen wrench at the rudder, it was not adjusted for the above videos, which is not bad news, but more good news. I guess that would mean if you wanted to make that adjustment the wake on the goofy side would have been a bit cleaner in the above videos.

I have heard it suggested, and by boat owners, not any manufacturer , that many boats have offset props. Here is a picture.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...1&d=1246044376

This is from a mastercraft, I believe. So for instance, to remove the shaft, you don't have to remove the prop on this boat, but on Tiges for instance, the prop is NOT offset, and you have to remove the prop to remove the shaft.

I wonder if the boats that have offset props are the same ones that have more of this issue with the goofy wakes, and the ones that are not offset do not?

I truly do not know, but that "experimenter" and "tinkerer" in me wonders about this. I mean, is the Avalanche offset different?

I know a lot of people say its prop rotation, and I have had people call me a liar and say that I am not telling the truth with our RZ2 and 24Ve. That I must be weighting the boat or at least adjusting the TAPS plate differently from one side to the other. Because there is no way my wakes on each side could be the same like in the videos. But I think there have been enough people out on our boats, and at these events at attest that I am telling the truth.

Sorry, not trying to get into any "my boat is better" argument, but this prop offset issue has been on my mind of late, and it makes me curious. The other question, is that if the prop IS offset, does it make the wake on one side BETTER than it would be if it wasn't? So would my Tige have an even cleaner wake on the regular side than the goofy if my prop was offset?

All that said, I have NO FRICKIN CLUE. ;-) Fun to ponder on the internets though.

ragboy 11-02-2011 2:39 AM

I found a picture, almost head on from my 24Ve. I wasn't trying to be head on, RJ was taking a picture of prop damage. The camera is slightly off to one side, but you can see in the pic that the rudder is NOT offset on my 24Ve.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6122/...22e8ebae_b.jpg
IMG_1503 by wake9, on Flickr

Interesting how the supreme, sangers, mbs, etc, are.

ragboy 11-02-2011 3:55 AM

So I found some pictures I have taken, going all the way back to 2009 for the 24Ve, that is when I took the picture above. Here are some pics of the props of various boats we have been on, around, etc:

2007 24Ve

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_1503.jpg

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_1504.jpg

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_1508.jpg

2011 Tige RZR

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_7257.jpg

2012 Tige Z3 (only one I got, but I think you can see its not offset)

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_2745.jpg

2012 Tige RZ4

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...y/IMG_4246.jpg

I cannot find any we took direct from the rear of the RZ2, but I am sure it is identical to the RZ4. I found this of Steve_O's Supreme v226:

2012 Supreme v226

http://i52.tinypic.com/wt83mh.jpg

It would be interesting if any of you had pics like this of your boats. Also would be interesting to know the reason for offsetting in the first place. Is it just for maint. of the shaft? Or what other reason?

h20king 11-02-2011 5:36 AM

my centurion is centered as well the reason for offsetting the prop is so the shaft can be removed without removing the rudder

getssum 11-02-2011 2:24 PM

Ragboy:

Brett made this adjustment to the RUDDER, not the prop. There's a little flappy cutout in the rudder that has a set screw in it. Bret loosened the screw, and I think pushed the flappy thing toward one side or the other (sorry can't remember which)..

Said the boat will pull a little, but it's worth it for the goofy wave benefit.

wofrankwo 11-02-2011 2:55 PM

" tuning the rudder "

ragboy 11-02-2011 3:02 PM

@eric
Yeah, I understood it was to the prop, just don't know if he actually made that adjustment during the 2011 event. I am assuming you have to pull the boat out of the water, and I know they were always in the water.

Wouldn't bother me to pull one way for a better wake either. I am just curious/fascinated about various things that effect the wake the way they do. I am sure over time this will all be more academic.

getssum 11-02-2011 5:42 PM

Robert... re-read your emails, you keep interchanging PROP for RUDDER :-)

And I know Bret did the change for the recent Polar Bear Event because I watched him do it after I enjoyed my tasty sandwich!

:-)

I don't ride goofy, but the wife does, so it was interesting to see.... Either way, the goofy video on the Enzo 211 from the event would all be with the adjustment made.

getssum 11-02-2011 5:47 PM

Just re-read the thread on Centurion Crew above... The "flappy cutout" is the "Rudder Tuning Block"

ragboy 11-02-2011 7:43 PM

lol, sorry about that. My brain goes a lot faster than I can type. ;-)

Good to know. And glad to hear the adjustment was made, so I know we documented it.

getssum 11-02-2011 10:27 PM

Take your ritalin Garth!


:-p

ragboy 11-02-2011 11:48 PM

y, no kidding. ;-)

krbaugh 11-06-2011 8:51 PM

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A picture of the Ruder with the adjustable block


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