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suthaforce 09-02-2011 9:01 AM

Looking for WW2 photo
Kind of a dorky question, but I have looked and looked for the color picture of a nazi sub taking a picture of New York at night. It may not have even been New York, but either way its an American city im pretty sure.

Didn't know if there were WW2 buffs on here that could help me out.

09-02-2011 10:48 AM

All I could find...

Riteride 09-02-2011 10:57 AM

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How about this one...

suthaforce 09-02-2011 11:40 AM

Thanks for your help guys.

Brett that sub looks American, but looks amost identical to what the picture is im looking for. It was taken from the observery post and had all the sailors on the deck like in that picture. I could be wrong but i was almost 90% sure it was a Nazi sub.

bcrider 09-02-2011 12:15 PM

There is a picture of New York through a German parascope showing the lights of the city but I haven't been able to find it here myself searching.

suthaforce 09-02-2011 12:18 PM

That would be the one i am looking for!!

guido 09-02-2011 12:30 PM

Wow, crazy story. I'd never heard that.

Fortunate for us that the Nazi's couldn't come up with more competant spies.

09-06-2011 9:32 AM

Actually Evan, they were doing pretty good with blowing crap up on the docks until the government made a deal with the mob and the mob pretty much shut it down.

john211 09-06-2011 11:07 AM

I also recall the picture that Dave bcrider refers to. Dave Sutherlad, on the original day you posted, I did an Internet search and couldn't find the picture.

I questioned if the photo I recalled was not real, but a scene from a movie, like Das Boot. But I could not answer that either.

I've got a big coffee-table book at home. I'll check that (if I remember).

suthaforce 09-06-2011 1:10 PM

I haven't had much time to keep up my search, and you are 100% right it could easily be a fake as there are actually quite a bit of fakes out there or propaganda stuff that has been confused with real stuff.

Wasn't Das Boot as I watched that the other day, and actually what made me think of it.

Everytime I look it up, the box set for Nazi Secrets Revealed comes up so I am wondering if it was a still from that or something.

No biggie just looking to replace my framed D-Day poster.

09-06-2011 2:14 PM

I forgot all about this thread, but here are my search results...


Operation Drumbeat: Nazi U-boats Off the American Coast, 1942

Nazi U-boats plagued Maine coast during WWII


and the best article:

Hitler sent German U-boat carrying secret agents to terrorise New York during World War Two (but it got wedged off Long Island)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372973/Revealed-The-secret-Nazi-operation-Pastorius-land-German-soldiers-U-S-soil-sabotage-war-effort-world-war-two.html#ixzz1XD3GBtoe

john211 09-07-2011 7:48 AM

No luck. I do recall that Coney Island was blacked out during WWII to prevent U-boats from using the the lights to backlight targets. So I gave that a start to further Internet searching, and here are some brief results.

From the wikipedia article, New York Harbor.

After the United States entered World War II, Operation Drumbeat set the top U-Boat aces loose against the merchant fleet in U.S. territorial waters in January 1942, starting the Second happy time. The U-Boat captains were able to silhouette target ships against the glow of city lights, and attacked with relative impunity, in spite of U.S. Naval concentrations within the Harbor. Casualties included the tankers Coimbria off Sandy Hook and Norness off Long Island. New York Harbor, as the major convoy embarkation point for the U.S., was effectively a staging area in the Second Battle of the Atlantic, with the U.S. Merchant Marine losses of 1 of 26 exceeding those of the other U.S. forces.[10]

Bright city lights made it easier for German U-boats to spot targets at night, but local officials resisted suggestions that they follow London's lead and blackout the lights of coastal cities. However, some lights were darkened, including those of the amusement parks in Coney Island, Brooklyn, and the Coney Island Light, and Sandy Hook Lighthouse.


Also from Wikipedia, an animation simulating a tanker silhouetted against lights of a city (I would guess this is New York City/Long Island. Notice the simulated Ferris Wheel of Coney Island or the like. JB.)


Here's another source.

When America joined the war in December 1941, Admiral Doenitz immediately realized the dire implications to the German war effort. The United States, as a noncombatant, had already been helping - first England, then later, Russia - with shipments of food, arms and supplies. Now, America’s war machine was about to crank up to full gear.

Admiral Doenitz positioned his fleet accordingly and named his operation “Paukenschlag“, or “Drumbeat“. From January 1942, Doenitz ordered up to 12 U-Boats on continual patrol - from the Gulf of Mexico to the heart of America’s Eastern Seaboard. Between January and March of 1942, the U-Boats sunk 1.25 million tons of shipping, aided by the bright lights of New York, Miami and Atlantic City - all of which initially refused to impose a wartime blackout for fear of impacting tourism.

Lt. Commander Reinhard Hardegan, U-123, started the duck shoot by sinking the British freighter Cyclops near Nantucket, on 12 January 1942. Hardegan, who would sink seven ships that first week, noted the lights atop the Ferris Wheel on Coney Island as he sailed past.


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