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norwalkbeast 08-09-2011 4:50 PM

Biggest Surf Wave
 
Who thinks that they have the biggest/best surf wave behind there boat? Lets see pictures.

ragboy 08-09-2011 5:05 PM

DJ James, tons of pictures, done. ;-)

jdjjamesz 08-09-2011 7:57 PM

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:D:D

jdjjamesz 08-09-2011 8:28 PM

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:D

you_da_man 08-10-2011 1:11 PM

Did his boat have the switchblade? I heard it's not longer available...is that correct?

StanleyWheelhouse 08-10-2011 3:57 PM

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...ouse/Adam1.jpg

Wakesurfnc 08-10-2011 4:14 PM

MUAHAHA I was waiting for you Stan to post that picture Hi5:D

jdjjamesz 08-10-2011 4:29 PM

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couple more..

ragboy 08-10-2011 4:36 PM

This is a pretty amazing pic...

http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/attac...1&d=1312941328

ragboy 08-10-2011 4:53 PM

@wheelhouse One of these days we will make it out to texas and have to document that sucker. I would love to put T-Bone on it and see it dwarf him. ;-)

StanleyWheelhouse 08-10-2011 5:30 PM

i wanna do a spine with my rig and Jamesz rig FAsho

ragboy 08-10-2011 5:36 PM

spine?

taft 08-10-2011 10:06 PM

Finally got the 911 prop on my boat. I'll sack her out and put up some pictures. Interested to see what she looks like now that i'll be able to get on plane with weight I couldn't do that with before. It should build some Sanger pride.

jdjjamesz 08-10-2011 11:01 PM

That would be so sick stanley,we would rock :Dthe lake..I would be scared to be another boat on the water that day ,haha..

Cipher 08-10-2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragboi poseur (Post 1700295)
spine?

Two boats side-by-side, one throwing a regular wave and the other throwing a goofy wave, creating a surf bowl.

Please add this term to your repertoire so you can bedazzle the folks who don't understand that you cannot wakesurf.

ragboy 08-10-2011 11:21 PM

repertoire?

wake4life6 08-10-2011 11:26 PM

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This is my 06 210 air nautique

Cipher 08-10-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragboi poseur (Post 1700420)
repertoire?

Does Google not work in your village?

ragboy 08-10-2011 11:37 PM

Google?

petrey10 08-11-2011 10:46 AM

wheelhouse we have all seen that ONE pic... how about multiple pics of it looking THAT big?

riverrunner 08-11-2011 12:38 PM

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2008 Centurion Enzo SV240

StanleyWheelhouse 08-11-2011 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrey10 (Post 1700510)
wheelhouse we have all seen that ONE pic... how about multiple pics of it looking THAT big?

That one does the trick just fine Pete!

leaks 08-11-2011 1:09 PM

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'05 Tige 24V

inland_surfer 08-11-2011 1:15 PM

Sorry mines the biggest !
 
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Sorry mines the biggest !

Cipher 08-11-2011 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inland_surfer (Post 1700550)
Sorry mines the biggest !

Awesome. Looking at the white water to rider's left, that looks like one wide boat.

Cabin cruiser? Yacht? Trawler?

tonyv420 08-11-2011 2:31 PM

Ragboy, you are funny!!

duffymahoney 08-11-2011 2:45 PM

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2005 Tige 24v. Biggest i have ever ridden. I have not ridden all:)

ragboy 08-11-2011 2:50 PM

Clean wake, and that idaho water just makes it look so nice.

tmill 08-11-2011 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher (Post 1700559)
Awesome. Looking at the white water to rider's left, that looks like one wide boat.

Cabin cruiser? Yacht? Trawler?

its a 65 ft yacht that they put 5k of ballast in. they can ride it with 4 people on the wake(both sides at the same time). Also you get towed into it with a jetski.

There are some crazy videos of this out there... Jeff were is the bugg eyes pic of mac?

StanleyWheelhouse 08-11-2011 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inland_surfer (Post 1700550)
Sorry mines the biggest !

thats boat is certainly bigger!

ragboy 08-11-2011 3:42 PM

Couple of my favorite on our boat, 2010 Tige RZ2.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/...9b842430_b.jpg
IMG_2049 by wake9, on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/...ca0e57ac_b.jpg
IMG_2057 by wake9, on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/...e8e75a0f_b.jpg
IMG_2203 by wake9, on Flickr

And a quick sequence with better wide angle of wake:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/...86f90649_b.jpg
IMG_2060 by wake9, on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/...08e233e3_b.jpg
IMG_2061 by wake9, on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/...b4910702_b.jpg
IMG_2062 by wake9, on Flickr

jdjjamesz 08-11-2011 4:55 PM

nice one chase and robert...

ragboy 08-11-2011 5:11 PM

Thanks, we have only weighted the boat like that 2x, but it was fun, no doubt.

wofrankwo 08-11-2011 6:57 PM

the jp picture with the girl in it ...... man the swell out to the right could almost be a huge ocean wave building ...... thats some flippin size!!

StanleyWheelhouse 08-12-2011 7:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdjjamesz (Post 1700414)
That would be so sick stanley,we would rock :Dthe lake..I would be scared to be another boat on the water that day ,haha..

Fa Sho Fa Sho, We should destroy some glass!

duffymahoney 08-12-2011 10:51 AM

Someday when I am super rich and powerful:), I am going to design a true yacht that's hull is designed from the ground up for surfing! The thing is gonna throw a 8 foot wave! No reason you couldn't do it.

ragboy 08-12-2011 7:37 PM

That sounds fun.

vman 08-12-2011 10:35 PM

Inland Tsunami Surfing!

duffymahoney 08-13-2011 11:22 AM

I look on ebay all the time for big yachts that have surf looking hulls. The trick will be finding one with a single prop.

motogod77 08-13-2011 12:36 PM

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I'll Play!

2006 Supreme vtwo3two
2011 Supreme vtwo2six

ragboy 08-13-2011 4:05 PM

very nice.

jdjjamesz 08-13-2011 11:05 PM

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:)

jdjjamesz 08-13-2011 11:08 PM

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;)

ragboy 08-14-2011 12:15 AM

That first superman pic above is awesome, great pic.

petrey10 08-15-2011 9:35 AM

tq,

that 2nd pic is MASSIVE... wow...

motogod77 08-15-2011 10:05 AM

v226!

sailing216 08-15-2011 10:58 AM

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Not the biggest but standard underseat ballast wave on my Cent Avy with room to slam. (water not close to vent yet :) )

Still never got to ride that 30ft single inboard fishing deep-V boat. It's the biggest single inboard I could find.

Avy:

taft 08-15-2011 7:53 PM

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This is behind my Sanger V237

Could use some more weight in the front I think.

Just put on a new prop, so I'm going to take her out and weight her down as much as I can starting tomorrow. Should have some better results to show.

ilikebeaverandboats 08-15-2011 8:04 PM

its not the biggest...but its solid.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...5/Picture3.png
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...5/f0236c01.jpg

jdhart73 08-15-2011 9:14 PM

Tige RZ2 with two people in boat..... I have much better footage but its at the bottom of the lake with my GoPro currently!!!!!!
http://i52.tinypic.com/25txn2o.jpg

SteveO 08-15-2011 9:51 PM

Yeah, sorry about that Jake..........wish I could have grabbed it!

jdhart73 08-15-2011 10:48 PM

LOL...^^^^ Weimar said you kicked it off purposely!

SteveO 08-16-2011 7:36 AM

He's right, I had to destroy the evidence. My wife thought I was at the lake working on our boat.

ragboy 08-16-2011 7:47 AM

I have a new entry for consideration. Our Tige 24Ve is back from wakemakers, just yesterday. We had high hopes that the modifications we desired would do the trick. It blew away our expectations. We still have to work out some kinks in the electrical system but the work wakemakers did to get more weight in the lockers and get the weight all the way into the far rear corner, all the way to the transom, was outstanding. They had to move firewalls, batteries, etc, but did a pro job.

Here is a quote from Jason as to the ballast details:

Quote:

The capacity of the custom bags ended up being approximately 1,450 pounds for the port locker, and 1,375 for the starboard locker. Those are actually loaded weights in the boat, taking into account the irregular shape of the lockers, so they should offer a fair bit more versus the bags you had in the boat, and we picked up approximately 150 pounds in the rear of each locker. We tried to get weight as far back in the boat as possible, since that's what you were looking for. I know we were shooting for sub-five minutes to fill, drain or transfer a bag, and we ended up with 50GPM, or 417 pounds per minute, so that should exceed the goal by a fair amount. As soon as we have a chance to test it I'll let you know, but it's looking good so far.
Here is a video Jason from wakemakers did to show the transfer time from one side to the other, 1500 lbs in 4 mins.

<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XmQ94B4UKY8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

So the wake? Now many of the pictures above, including mine use different cameras and angles that help accentuate the wake, no harm there. The pictures of Chase above on our RZ2 are all genuine, but the real wide shots (last couple) were using a wide lens that make the wake look longer than it really is. It was very big and long that day, but the lens flatters it.

So for reference, here are a few pictures taken from the ballast boy seat, at eye level by me, with an iPhone 4. No attachments on the phone. Here is regular first. Rider is Mike Mandley who delivered our boat and we showed our appreciation with a ride. He was new, so we didn't adjust the wake while he was riding.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/...f2395a64_b.jpg
Photo Aug 15, 6 31 48 PM by wake9, on Flickr

Here is a couple pics of RJ, and with RJ we had a chance to adjust and dial it in a bit more.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6071/...a36347b4_b.jpg
Photo Aug 15, 7 19 39 PM by wake9, on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/...5c785f90_b.jpg
Photo Aug 15, 7 25 15 PM by wake9, on Flickr

Lastly, I have been planning on doing some video blogs where its not so much a podcast, just me avoiding typing out a bunch of stuff. ;-) So I made this our first video blog and I show the progression of our Ve and compare to the RZ2 with the same cameras and angles.

This was our first 3 hour test, there is so much potential for adjustment and tuning. We only had 400 lbs up front, and the Ve can safely take more. No sacs on seat, all hidden. We will have video of Dennis on both sides in a couple of days. Man, lots of fun. Thanks to duffy for his project that gave me the confidence to hack up the back of the Ve to get this to work.

<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/N6pb1oI50YI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

packrat 08-16-2011 5:37 PM

Hey Ragboy, thanks for this video it is very informative. On your 24VE with the new sacks can you tell me on the 400lbs in front bow was it a sack on the goofy side or one of those bow sacks that go in a V on both sides. I am very impressed with the goofy side wake on the 24VE with the new sacks. Also wanted to thank you for the video feeds at the last NWWSA event.

johnboyy7 08-16-2011 6:53 PM

what is xlinc? and did i hear him say there is a 'booster' pump for each side, thus the filling side will have 2 pumps going into it?

ragboy 08-16-2011 8:13 PM

@packrat it's just a horseshoe sac up front for now. We are going to play with a extra 400 lb sac up front, and then possibly try to get more hidden up there.

@John with the cross link, main pump, and booster, up to 3 pumps filling or emptying with a possibility of 4100 GPH, but I think he said he was testing it at 50 GPM which is about 3000 GPH.

Wakemakers video'd everything we did so we can share the process and setup. Whilst I am testing and dialing in the wake.

slimjim44 08-17-2011 2:13 PM

Robert, Heard you say in the video you are back in the 24Ve for a while. I'll take the RZ2 off your hands for a couple months. :)

ragboy 08-17-2011 2:30 PM

Where've you been man? Martinez is coming up this weekend, when you bringing the family up? Come ride 30 feet back on this Ve? ;-)

ragboy 08-18-2011 12:43 AM

Great session today, Dennis came out and after we dialed in he was riding farther back then I have seen, at least on our boats. Thomas was riding back into no mans land and RJ was landing 360 after 360. If he messed one up a bit, he had plenty of time to recover and try again. Will post video tomorrow probably. Fun day, going out again tomorrow. The wake is really great, but the boat is slammed to get it that way on the 24.

ilikebeaverandboats 08-18-2011 11:00 AM

Ragboy, so you still have your 24ve?

ragboy 08-18-2011 11:22 AM

Yes we do, and with the new mods, the wake is amazing. The only thing, is it is slammed to be able to do that. You really need a lot of weight on the 24, seems consistent with other 24s. We could only get about 1000 in the corner before and with that weight you could not add any weight to the front, and it was a nice wake, but lacked push. The RZ2 had lots more push. Now with the modifications we get about 1500 lbs in the corner, and 400 up front works great. Its slammed, but the wake is amazing. Big and LONG, way long. Watch the video. We have more video coming. We are going out every day this week, Dennis is here, Chris Martinez is coming up today for the weekend, we are RE breaking the sucker in and learning to dial it in with this new setup. On dennis second run we dialed it in for him, and he was just hanging out about 25 feet back or so. Pretty fun. You can see in the attachment it is slammed. School is in, midweek, no one is out, so its all good. But at this level I wouldn't consider it a "family" surf boat. The RZ2 takes that prize for us. Still lots of room, and when we weight the RZ2 for a great wake, its not slammed.

So here is a video still frame of the 24Ve slammed:

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...ammed_24Ve.jpg

And this is what the RZ2 looked like weighted about the same angle:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/...269cf149_b.jpg
IMG_3303 by wake9, on Flickr

And this is a pic of the RZ2 weighted and running, you can see that the RZ2 was always at the "kiss the rub rail" point, which is very comfortable, and family friendly IMHO:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/...a2bc1250_b.jpg
PB2010-wake9-Sat-wm-2155 by wake9, on Flickr

We don't have pics of the 24Ve with the new setup in chase yet, but its slammed. Not for the average family.

johnboyy7 08-18-2011 1:27 PM

when you say slammed.... i only calculated that to be 1900 lbs. it is for sure listed, no argument here on that. when we surf we are at 2500 to get to the rub rail (04 sante 210) and i here of guys running more than that.. i guess im just surprise that you call that slammed is all.

duffymahoney 08-18-2011 1:33 PM

I run 3k and my rub rail isn't under water on my Tige 24v. But on my centurion avalanche 2k and the rubrail was totally underwater.

lakesurfer 08-18-2011 1:37 PM

glad you dialed in the 24 Ve. But to be honest, I think you need to compare the last pic of the RZ2 and the 1st pic of the 24ve. Both of those pics seem to have a comparable people weight in the back corner:)

Must be nice have two great surf boats!

ragboy 08-18-2011 1:56 PM

When I say slammed, I am referring more to the boats attitude, how it is affected, then how it is waited. To get that wave, we are running about 1500 in the locker surf side and then about 4-500 lbs in the opposing locker. then about 600 lbs of people on goofy seat, or other. Then, another 300 or so on the rear seat in the center. Then 400 lbs up front.

1450
450
600
350
400
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3250

Wow, never quite added all of that up. Its slammed. ;-) But the wake is longer and about the same height as the RZ2. I bet if we took the weight out of the front it would be taller than RZ2, may try that for sh*ts and giggles.

The RZ2 would probably sink with that, not sure. No joke, I can get in the boat by just rolling up to the swim deck and turning around and sitting down. I have NEVER been able to do that on any boat.

But the wave is SOOO long and very powerful. My kids are surfing for long sessions, without falling. RJ did 5 360s in a row, and semi flubbed 2 of them. He would have fallen out on those on the RZ2. We will have more video soon. Chris Martinez just got here and going out after a meeting. We are really figuring out fine placement of weight and what the boat needs to keep that power. Prob have the video sometime tomorrow.

ragboy 08-18-2011 2:03 PM

I should add that I would recommend the RZ2 over the Ve any day. Safe amount of weight IMHO and so easy to get that wake, just buy the boat, swap the sacs and go. We are just having fun with this. We decided we were going to go all out on the Ve, and really see what it could do.

These bigger boats are fun, but just seem to take a ton of weight to really shine.

ragboy 08-18-2011 2:12 PM

@jkw, yes it is nice. I just understood what you meant about comparing pics. The one with Bre standing up, there was also lead in the boat on that day, so it is comparable.

ragboy 08-18-2011 2:57 PM

Finishing up a phone meeting, boring...

I took a still frame of dennis second session when we got it dialed in for him. He was a bit tired but able to chill at the back of the wave. I will follow this up with video, he is NOT falling back, just chilling, and goes back to this point a couple times and just rides back up without pumping. Boat is perfectly straight, no kinks, no turns. Dennis is 280 lbs riding a bazooka.

http://wake9-2011-media.s3.amazonaws...nnis_chill.jpg

lakesurfer 08-18-2011 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragboy (Post 1702521)
@jkw, yes it is nice. I just understood what you meant about comparing pics. The one with Bre standing up, there was also lead in the boat on that day, so it is comparable.

I was just messing with you. Both waves look great.

ragboy 08-19-2011 4:47 PM

Cherry on top
 
Here's the kicker....

I filled up a couple days ago at 539 hours. I just filled up now at 548.6 and took 36 gallons to top off. That's 3.75 GPH for 2 5 hour sessions with 3250 lbs of weight! It's sipping gas.

ragboy 08-22-2011 5:01 AM

So we tested the new ballast system (with motor running):

Front (400lbs horshoe sac): 2:30
Regular side (1500lbs) fill with booster pump from empty: 6:45
Transfer from Regular to Goofy: 3:47
Transfer from Goofy to Regular: 4:00

Blew me away.

92Maristar 08-24-2011 9:12 AM

Long clean pocket.

http://mikesell.net/images/wave.jpg

taft 08-24-2011 11:00 AM

to all:

What speeds are you guys running at in these pictures?

duffymahoney 08-24-2011 11:09 AM

12.5-12.7. This isn't GPS based so hopefully it's accurate on my boat:)

ragboy 08-24-2011 11:30 AM

12 on ours, but did test up to 13, just got longer. I checked our speed against gps, was almost right on.

slimjim44 08-24-2011 2:24 PM

92Maristar, what boat is that and how is it weighted?

ilikebeaverandboats 08-24-2011 4:01 PM

11-11.7 on our 20V assuming the PP is accurate.

92Maristar 08-24-2011 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimjim44 (Post 1703991)
92Maristar, what boat is that and how is it weighted?

Hey James,

It's an 06 Mastercraft X30 and has the stock hard tank and a custom enzo style 1400 lb sac from wakemakers so right about 1700. The photo is with 2 adults in the boat.

jdhart73 08-24-2011 8:52 PM

Sick wave Maristar!!.....looks like you were turning in the pic a bit or no?


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