WakeWorld (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/index.php)
-   Wakesurfing (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=87668)
-   -   FAE wave sweep or wave cleaner or wave flap (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=787204)

duffymahoney 04-27-2011 11:13 AM

FAE wave sweep or wave cleaner or wave flap
2 Attachment(s)
So I finally remembered to take pictures of my fae wave cleaner. My swim deck is so short I got spray from the FAE. It has the same angles of my transom and some pipes zip tied to it and they are full of some scrap metal. The rubber is a dump truck mud flap. Works great.

surffresh 04-27-2011 5:53 PM

Interesting, our MB has some weird drop sprays on the reg side, I need a flapper on it

TheSqueakyWheel 04-27-2011 7:48 PM

I'm not familiar with the concept of these flappers. What are they designed to do?

duffymahoney 04-28-2011 10:07 AM

Well i don't know what the concept for other boats is but I designed this contraction to keep spray from my FAE off my wave. Works perfectly and my wave is clean. It was a simple way to fix my issue.

duffymahoney 06-14-2011 9:21 AM

8 Attachment(s)
I built a 2nd FAE flap. This is for my new to me 2005 Tige 24v. I used 3/4 stainless that a local machine shop bent and drilled. I then painted it to match. Again the angles match the transom and it works perfectly! Super clean wave and no spray from the FAE. Tige's have a nice bar on the teak deck that worked great to bolt to.

shawndoggy 08-28-2011 8:59 PM

how would this work to keep prop wash off of the wave?

ragboy 08-29-2011 2:36 AM

Do you have any before and after pics?

duffymahoney 08-29-2011 10:06 AM

Nope, I put it on before I ever even surfed it.

22vdrive 08-29-2011 1:31 PM

Drew I have the same problem with my Tomcat, mine has the muffler on the port-side so I figure that's whats causing it cause it's non existence on the starboard side. Luckily I'm goofy so my friends are the ones that experience the droplets.

duffymahoney 10-16-2013 11:38 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Here is the new generation. Version 3.0 i call it. Made out of 3/4 horse stall mat. Doesn't flex as much and makes the wave almost perfectly clean all the time. Which makes my wave changeable. Long if I want, tall if I want etc... It's bolted to the bracket. Works 100x better then 1.0 and 2.0

shawndoggy 10-16-2013 11:54 AM

I'd be interested to see metalfabguy's MB setup out of the water. It's a much longer flap and more flexible. It flaps and waves when the boat's at idle and looks like a manta ray.

duffymahoney 10-16-2013 12:44 PM

Longer isn't better, stiffer is better.

nailem 10-18-2013 5:37 PM

Would you happen to have a picture from the board towards the boat while underway? Do you want the flap to stay straight down while underway or do you want it to flex some?

Pad1Tai 10-19-2013 7:23 AM

Never been behind a boat with FAE... Does it really have that large of a spray pattern to deal with?

duffymahoney 10-19-2013 2:19 PM

You want it to stay down. Fae doesn't make it that bad. I just like clean! It's difficult for me to flex the flap

AndrewC 10-19-2013 3:19 PM


Originally Posted by Pad1Tai (Post 1849763)
Never been behind a boat with FAE... Does it really have that large of a spray pattern to deal with?

No, been running a FAE for nearly 3 years and I am fine with it. That being said, different boats are configured differently eg. Single exhaust outlet in boat or dual, or platform mounting varies so that could be the differance

Pad1Tai 10-19-2013 7:42 PM

Wondering if this flap would have any effect on a non FAE boat... They all produce a spray from the off side hull.. Has anyone tried this?

nailem 10-19-2013 8:24 PM

If you want to keep it straight would vertical bar stock, one on each Sid and one down the center, help? My enzo with teak deck and quick release fae I get some spray from the support pipes of the far. Not bad but I might set a mud flap up for next year.

duffymahoney 10-19-2013 10:46 PM

It will help almost all boats. Just calms prop wash. Simple and cheap, no reason not to try. Best way to cut the horse stall mats is a jig saw

Pad1Tai 10-20-2013 7:07 AM

Can you post a b4 and after pic if you have them.. that would be great...

duffymahoney 10-20-2013 3:33 PM

I don't have any. I might have some from my centurion avalanche. I originally made the flap for it. If you want a cleaner wave then this will help for sure. I put it on my tige before I tried it. I cut the swim deck as well. Since that was also proven to help the wave on my avalanche as well.

slowwwflowww 10-20-2013 4:55 PM

Like mud flaps on a truck.

trayson 10-21-2013 9:24 AM

how do the mud flaps affect the wakeboard wake?

duffymahoney 10-21-2013 9:59 AM

It doesn't change the wakeboard wake. I thought it might, I don't think it has enough power.

trayson 10-21-2013 10:13 AM

I think you need to get some chrome emblems for your mat...


duffymahoney 10-21-2013 10:20 AM

Truck mud flaps proved to not be stiff enough, horse stall mats are the bomb. Chrome emblems may have helped:)

tonyv420 10-21-2013 11:54 AM

Where can you get the horse stall matts?

BenHolloway 10-21-2013 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by tonyv420 (Post 1849961)
Where can you get the horse stall matts?

Ranch supply

duffymahoney 10-21-2013 1:29 PM

Big-r, tractor supply, any horse- feed store. Any crossfit gym may have pieces to sell.

jaws 01-14-2014 11:57 AM

has anyone else tried this?

JMoore15 01-14-2014 2:30 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I went a different direction a couple years ago (prior to the VX) on my Z1 and built a horizontal plate out of aluminum and it was awesome. I am currently building one to test against my VX on my Z3.

duffymahoney 01-15-2014 1:48 PM


Originally Posted by jaws (Post 1859719)
has anyone else tried this?

Lots of people have with good results. Plus it's not a hard mod.

Electric plate would have been perfect but I gave up on tinkering. Nice looking plate!

W5 03-17-2014 1:49 PM

1 Attachment(s)
What does everyone think of an RV Rockguard material?

fence_sence 03-17-2014 3:00 PM

Worthless for this application.

Maybe that's a bit harsh. I think you need the stiffness of the rubber to actually push the water down.

W5 03-17-2014 3:05 PM

Thanks for the input. I was thinking about knocking down spray, not wave formation...

duffymahoney 04-15-2014 9:13 AM

I had an idea last night. A wave flap on a malibu. Between the wedge. It would minimize the fire hydrant effect.

fence_sence 04-15-2014 10:03 AM

That's a great idea Duffy.

whiteflashwatersports1 04-15-2014 1:01 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Tige 2012 RZR before and after pics - eliminated all spray and smoothed the face nicely

trayson 04-15-2014 1:13 PM


Originally Posted by whiteflashwatersports1 (Post 1872834)
Tige 2012 RZR before and after pics - eliminated all spray and smoothed the face nicely

Wow, that is downright impressive.

soonerbilly 04-15-2014 2:09 PM

Think it would help much with prop wash at wakeboard speeds?

JMoore15 04-15-2014 2:10 PM

Similar results with my plate. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/7y9ypyha.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/emu5edyj.jpg

JMoore15 04-15-2014 2:11 PM

Similar results with my plate. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/zuqy7azy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/de8uveta.jpg

JMoore15 04-15-2014 2:44 PM

Sorry for the duplicate pics (fist time w tapatalk). Soonerbilly, not sure about the flap but here are couple before and after pics with my plate. The difference is small but it did clean up even more as I added weight and increased the speed (don't have pics of those). http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/ypybe3uz.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/a9ejeqym.jpg

soonerbilly 04-15-2014 2:49 PM

I think i'm gonna do it fot the surf wave.....i was just curious about the wakeboard wake. Thanks for the pics.

bcrider 04-15-2014 4:03 PM

So where is this spray coming from? Just general wash or those with FAE?

whiteflashwatersports1 04-16-2014 7:17 AM

Our flap did not impact the wakeboard wake at all. All driving characteristics are exactly the same. No issue with forward/reverse at the ramp, etc. We do not have an FAE. All of our spray was prop wash and our swim platfrom has a lip.

JMoore15 04-16-2014 8:02 AM

No FAE. Mostly prop wash. The narrower beam Tige's (old Z1, RZR, R20) have much more wash than the wider beam boats. Not sure exactly why but looks like something to do with where the wake converges behind the boat.

dreamer 04-18-2014 4:51 PM

2 Attachment(s)
I'm considering adding a "duffy flap" to my enzo. I added and FAE and have lots of spray that I would like to control. How much pressure would the flap put on the swim grid brackets. Should I use a bar like the FAE or something stiffer?

duffymahoney 04-21-2014 7:24 PM

not that much, I have never had an issue and a few guys have installed it, I would bolt it right to the fae mount.

stingreye 04-22-2014 9:01 AM

I would be really curious what happens to the enzo goofy wake with a flap.

wakebrdr94 04-22-2014 3:47 PM


Originally Posted by JMoore15 (Post 1872846)

Isn't that what that big contraption under tige swimsteps are for? I thought that it was to clean up the wave

bcrider 04-22-2014 3:50 PM

You mean the trim tab? They only adjust the bow rise of the boat which does affect the wave/wake but has no further bearing on how clean it comes out.

phathom 04-22-2014 4:09 PM

I like the improvement on the spray. Has this affected the push of the surf wave at all?

drnate 04-22-2014 4:21 PM

^^^I think he was referring to the Convex VX on the newer boats

bcrider 04-22-2014 5:11 PM

^ ah yes. Forgot about that thing

JMoore15 04-23-2014 12:41 PM

I built mine prior to the release of the Convex VX. It did two things for my boat 1. cleaned the face/spray 2. Helped with the push ( you obviously can't take picture of the push but it made a noticeable difference to my crew).

MICAH_HARPER 04-23-2014 3:39 PM

wow. cleaned up nice

whiteflashwatersports1 04-24-2014 9:46 AM

Ours does not have any impact on push it just eliminates all of the spray and cleans the face nicely. Eliminating all of the spray did help with the lip on top. Ours is a 1/2" 3'x4' horse mat bought at tractor supply. I drilled holes in the swim paltform for 3/8" threadrrod and attached the mat to it with ubolts. I drilled those holes and strung it through. It has had no impact on trailering, swim platfrom etc. We are very pleased. Whole thing cost about $60 bucks and my 13 year old duaghter and I did it in about an hour. Was a great project for the two of us.

duffymahoney 04-25-2014 9:50 AM

Mine didn't help the push, but it did let me run the boat more level. Meaning counter weight, which equals more push in the wave. So it sort of makes more push:)

racer808 04-29-2014 8:25 AM

Does anyone know if surf gate with both sides weighted eliminates the spray from FAE? I just got FAE but I run a home made gate. Have not been able to get in water though

tonyv420 05-14-2014 4:41 PM

Duffy, i made a flap for my Avy out of a mud flap off a semi truck, do you think I need to add weight to the bottom of it? I'ts one of those super stiff flaps, doesn't really flex that much, its aboput 3/8 thick

shawndoggy 05-14-2014 5:01 PM

tony I'm not duffy but I tried a semi truck flap too. It's going to flex like crazy. Water puts out a ton of force.

tonyv420 05-15-2014 11:13 AM

Ya, I'm gonna try it, it actually has vertical ribs on it, which makes it super stiff, I can barely get it to bend myself. If not, I'll add some weight to it next time out. Did you just hang it? or did you bolt the top to the bracket. Mine is just hanging from my FAE bracket, so it flops but really doesnt bend.

tonyv420 05-15-2014 11:15 AM

I'll post a pic when I get a chance

tonyv420 05-15-2014 11:27 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Here's a pic

tonyv420 05-19-2014 3:07 PM

FYI, it worked perfect, did not flex at all! Cleaned up the wave, which was already pretty clean, but now it's super clean. The ribs on the flap kept it from flexing

dreamer 05-20-2014 5:12 PM

Anthony911, does your flap rotate up parallel to the platform while under way or is it rigid mounted and stays down?

tonyv420 05-21-2014 11:46 AM

JS it rotates up, it doesnt hit the swimstep though. Theres about a 7" clearance. I have it zip tied to the FAE bracket kinda snug

FastR3DN3K 05-21-2014 1:07 PM

I would think that letting the mat rotate would actually be better for a couple reasons:

1. You don't necessarily want the a stiff mat that is mounted in a fixed position at the top to "dig" into the wake. I could see it causing a bit of deformation to the wave and basically nullifying what the hull shape and ballast are trying to create.

2. The fixed top would put a lot of stress on the mounting points due to the water "torquing" the mat and possibly damaging whatever cross-brace it's mounted to. This is especially bad if you're mounting it to the FAE support bar.

3. Letting the mat pivot and "rest" on the water while in motion would cause less deformation to the wave shape since it's not digging in. By resting on the top face of the wave, it's doing it's job by pushing excess spray down and not causing any extra stress on parts under the platform.

I'm probably going to give this a try myself on my RZ4. I was debating on buying the Convex VX since my boat doesn't have it, but for the cost I think this worth a shot first. I think the only extra perk the VX has is it creates a slightly longer wave face and extends the pocket. I'm not a world class surfer and haven't really attempted to throw any sort of big tricks (plus I'm old), so I think this will be fine for the skill level of me and my friends.

duffymahoney 05-21-2014 2:54 PM

If you want it to work great, then rigid and stiff, the force of water will make it not deform the wave. Stiff and rigid I can still bend it by hand, so it wouldn't hurt the swim step or the fae mount.

tonyv420 05-21-2014 4:43 PM

Duffy, I'm going out tomorrow, and will snap some pics. I would like to hear your opinion on how you think its working for me..... This flap with the ribs, is super stiff, I cannot bend it by hand at all, well maybe a inch.....

wallis_tho 05-22-2014 4:21 AM

im curious as to know if this will help remove the roster tail caused by our boat at slalom ski speeds? anyone tried it at these kinds of speeds?

fence_sence 05-22-2014 8:28 AM

That's a good question, Brad. I'd like to find out.

duffymahoney 05-22-2014 9:41 AM

Mine has less rooster tail at all times. I could see ski boats using it as well. Super super stiff sounds fun. As long as the swim deck can handle it, it handles 2-3 big dudes which is a lot of weight!

racer808 05-22-2014 10:57 AM

Are you guys supporting these mats from the FAE support? I want to make one of these, I get terrible spray with mine.

tonyv420 05-23-2014 10:43 AM

mine is supported by the FAE bracket support

whiteflashwatersports1 05-23-2014 12:17 PM

See my earlier post for pics

Mine is supported by a 3/8" threaded rod that I tapped holes in the platform brackets for. It is very stiff as it is 3/4" horse stall mat but it rotates up and floats on top just below the platform.

tonyv420 05-23-2014 3:27 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Here's a pic from yesterday, withe the wave flap as is, zip tied to the FAE bracket, no weights

packrat 05-24-2014 9:30 AM

Now that's a wave!

TigeRZRCO 05-24-2014 10:20 PM

Here's my install on my surf flap. I have trimmed it since these pictures were taken. The bottom flat part of the mat stayed the same but I trimmed it from the flat part to where the transom starts on the outsides. The mat works great for cleaning up the face and knocking down the spray. The ubolts are tight and the rod rotates in the bracket holes. I used a waterproof non corossive tape so there's no metal on metal. I'll post some video of the wave when i get it off the camera.

<a href="http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/bobbybrooks23/media/20140405_154126_zps3fc8e35d.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w644/bobbybrooks23/20140405_154126_zps3fc8e35d.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 20140405_154126_zps3fc8e35d.jpg"/></a>
<a href="http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/bobbybrooks23/media/20140405_154143_zps75eee0b9.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w644/bobbybrooks23/20140405_154143_zps75eee0b9.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 20140405_154143_zps75eee0b9.jpg"/></a>
<a href="http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/bobbybrooks23/media/20140405_154152_zps28378434.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w644/bobbybrooks23/20140405_154152_zps28378434.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 20140405_154152_zps28378434.jpg"/></a>
<a href="http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/bobbybrooks23/media/20140405_154203_zpsfbe042b8.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w644/bobbybrooks23/20140405_154203_zpsfbe042b8.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 20140405_154203_zpsfbe042b8.jpg"/></a>

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:12 PM.