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dakid 10-19-2010 10:08 PM

nba 2010-2011
it's that time of the year again...the nba season! i can't wait for this season to start with all the player movements and a few revamped teams.

eastern conference

the atlantic division is a lock for the celtics. the nets made some moves and they will definitely have more wins this season than last, but they won't make too much noise. amar'e stoudemire will get his points, but until he gets help, the knicks won't be much of a threat. the knicks need to make some moves (maybe a trade with the spurs for tony parker?) and get rid of tracy mcgrady. he's done! the celtics might be the only team to win 50+ wins in the atlantic division.

in the central division, the bulls are definitely an improved team this year (on paper) with boozer coming over from utah to help out luol deng and derrick rose. korver left utah as well to play for the bulls, and should offset the loss of hinrich. detroit and milwaukee will give the bulls a run for the division. cleveland will probably end up last in this division.

in the southeast, we all know what miami did bringing lebron and bosh over, but i wouldn't be too quick to jump on their bandwagon. it all depends on how the rest of the team plays their roles and if wade can stay healthy. and i've always thought that bosh was overrated...we'll see. dwight howard got some advice and was tutored by one of the best low post players ever, hakeem olajuwon, so we may see more offensive moves from him. atlanta will still be exciting to watch with crawford, johnson, horford and smith. charlotte might piss off a few teams here and there, but they're not much of a threat.

top 8

1. boston
2. miami
3. orlando
4. atlanta
5. chicago
6. milwaukee
7. detroit
8. new york (they might go higher if they can land carmelo anthony and/or tony parker)

western conference

denver is in a world of hurt with carmelo and kenyon martin wanting out. i think they're both gone though by the trade-deadline. it's a shame 'cause with them, they're a really good team. also, look for them to deal j.r. smith...he's a free agent at the end of the season, right? portland will win some games, with or without greg oden, but brandon roy and nicolas batum need help. rudy fernandez is probably out. utah made up for losing boozer with the signing of al jefferson. deron williams is still one, if not THE best point guards in the nba. he needs to stay healthy for utah to go anywhere. as does mehmet okur. he can really stretch the defense. signing raja bell is good. he'll help out on the defensive end and can spot up for the 3. sorry minnesota...the wolves are going nowhere. oklahoma city thunder will probably win the northwest division. kevin durant is a beast and russell westbrook is the real deal. also, they've got a lot of help from a bunch of players that are young and athletic.

in the southwest, dallas got a bit stronger defensively with the signing of tyson chandler (not to say no one gets past him). the bad thing is that jason kidd, although still effective at times, is getting old. there's not much of a difference between 27yrs old and 28yrs old, but there's a big difference between 37yrs old and 38yrs old. speaking of old, san antonio spurs aren't getting any younger. and they hurt themselves resigning richard jefferson. if tim duncan, manu ginobili and tony parker can stay healthy, greg popovich can coach the rest of the team to play their roles and get the team to the playoffs. houston isn't going to do much with or without yao ming. aaron brooks is bad ass but he can't carry the team himself. new orleans is decent, but chris paul might be gone by the trade deadline. trevor ariza was a good addition though. memphis has two of the most exciting players to watch in o.j. mayo and rudy gay. marc gasol doesn't look so clumsy anymore and zach randolph is playing well. memphis could be last year's okc.

the pacific is a given; the lakers will win it. they got stronger in the off-season, signing matt barnes, james blake and theo ratliff. rookie devin ebanks looks like the 2nd coming of trevor ariza. once andrew bynum and kobe bryant are back 100%, and the lakers avoid further injuries, i expect them to win 62+ games. the l.a. clippers will be right behind the lakers. blake griffin will be the rookie of the year and vinnie del negro will be coach of the year. phoenix suns, sacramento kings and golden state warriors won't be factors come playoff time.

top 8

1. l.a. lakers
2. dallas
3. oklahoma city
4. denver (if they keep carmelo, kenyon and smith)
5. san antonio
6. l.a. clippers
7. portland
8. utah

final 4

lakers vs thunder
miami vs boston


lakers vs boston


1. don't quote me on anything. aside from the final 4, the rest is pretty open. :)
2. help me out if i missed something from other teams.

10-20-2010 11:25 AM

Griffin is looking like a beast, but watch out for DeMarcus in the ROY race. He's gonna get a lot of PT and is REAL good too.

95sn 10-20-2010 11:44 AM

Impressive and well thought out take on the nba for 10-11. Nice work Joe!
Im agreeing with most.
McGrady has had a fork in him for years, done.
Anthony should be joining Amare in NY soon...then down go the Nuggets. Chauncy will bo out, kmart and they'll be left w/ ty lawson... Anthony, as much as the guy has improved, he is showing his true colors. This guy will never have a ring. Amare isnt a team player (and wont have Nash to throw him the ball) and either is Anthony...Good Luck Knick fan, aint gonna work.
Bull improved and may make a run, is detroit still relavant?
Durant/westbrook Thunder are in for the duration, lookin good.
Hornets, even w/ Paul are getting worse.
Clippers will be in the playoff picture...but it wont matter because they are cursed.
not concerned with how many games the Lakers win, let Miami play that game. I only care that they are healthy and peaking in April, May and June.
sidenote- Magic sold his stake in the Lakers, wonder if he is wanting to be like mike and buy a team...listening Warrior fan?
Joe, I think James Blake plays tennis and the Lakers got Steve Blake to back up Fish ;)
Preseason has been unwatchable.

deuce 10-20-2010 11:52 AM

Utah 8……:confused:

I think they are better than that….but I am biased…. They have the best 1 in the league, Jefferson is going to be even better with a team around him. Millsap is a beast. Klinko is Klinko(I hope he doesn’t get traded), overpaid, but underrated. Bell is a HUGE addition, as he brings toughness and leadership, two things the Jazz sorely lacked…. CJ Miles had a SOLID playoff run, time for him to step up.

Elson, will be a nice role player and gives the Jazz needed length. Same with Earl Watson, solid back up.

Jeremy Evans is going to surprise.....;)

In the end, I believe the Jazz are a better team this year than last. They are longer, more athletic, tougher and don’t have a chemistry problem(read Carlos Boozer)

Oh...and Memo is out until after the Christmas break I would guess....

csaidler 10-20-2010 12:27 PM

Parker's not going anywhere. at least not this year

dakid 10-23-2010 1:12 PM

ej, yeah, i think 8 might be too low for utah, but then again, 1 game could separate teams 4-8.

lfadam 10-26-2010 7:16 PM

and the heat go down on opening night.

Looks like the Celts Big 3>Heat's Big 3

(ok not really, but the heat have some issues to work out and the Celts looked pretty good)

mjfan23 10-26-2010 7:42 PM

Denver (if Melo, JR, Kmartin stay) at 4!?!

As long as they all stay, they have the most talent in the NBA (yes miami included)

deuce 10-26-2010 7:50 PM


Originally Posted by mjfan23 (Post 1642748)
Denver (if Melo, JR, Kmartin stay) at 4!?!

As long as they all stay, they have the most talent in the NBA (yes miami included)

I almost spit out my drink.... Okay... Yea, with all those great off season moves to improve on that juggernaut.....:rolleyes:

Jazz could be CRUSHED by the Nugs tomorrow and I still have no fear of the Nuggest in the West....

lizzyb 10-26-2010 8:17 PM

... and the pink elephant is back in the room.

Nice analysis Joe - good work. Agree with most of what you said.

The Heat looked awful. Truly terrible. I expected as much though this early in the season. I'm sure they'll come around.. but I still don't expect them to beat Boston.

Boston and the Lakers in the finals.

95sn 10-27-2010 10:20 AM

Nice ring ceremony for the Lakers last night, flag looks good up on the wall.
Then the game started... closer than expected but they picked up the defense and slowed down the guards in 2nd half.
Shannon Brown is going to play a lot more minutes theis year, looks like he did some work over the summer. Kobe looks like he is at about 85%, maybe

Props to the Celtics for bumping the Heat early.

wakeboardertj 10-27-2010 12:28 PM

Shannon is a beast

Damn that was nice seeing the celtics scrape the heat

Lakers V Celtics in the finals, Lakers in 6

dlamont 10-27-2010 4:33 PM

Celts/Heat game was like watching a playoff game last night. Crowd was super into it, players were definitely playing harder than a regular season game. Lebron came to play but where was DWade? Once they get used to playing with each other it's going to be a highlight real every night.
BTW the Celts are deep! They could play Nate Robinson, Marquis Daniels, Jermaine O'Neall, Big Baby Davis, and Shaq and still compete with most teams in the league. That is going to be a tough team to beat even for the Lakes this year.

dakid 10-29-2010 1:01 AM


Originally Posted by wade's ankles

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deuce 10-29-2010 8:51 AM

The Jazz look TERRIBLE.... It appears that the meshing of the new guys is going to take some time.... Hope they can get a win by the time Memo gets back....:rolleyes:


95sn 10-29-2010 10:58 AM

I watched a couple qtrs of your Jazz game last night EJ. I agree they have some talent, and they will get better as they play together more. The end of the 1st half was embarrassing...guessing sloan was not too happy after that.

11-02-2010 10:14 AM

WOOHOO! 3-1 start to the season and DeMarcus is looking good. GO KINGS!!!!

polarbill 11-02-2010 11:42 AM

As a Seattle Native and fan of the Sonics the NBA is pretty much dead to me although I find myself rooting for the Thunder since most of the guys were drafted when they were still here. Does anybody else absolutely hate Lebron now? I went from liking him to thinking he is an incredibly huge douche. His new commercial makes me want to punch him in the face.

wakeboardertj 11-02-2010 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by polarbill (Post 1643937)
Does anybody else absolutely hate Lebron now? I went from liking him to thinking he is an incredibly huge douche. His new commercial makes me want to punch him in the face.


dakid 11-07-2010 9:56 PM

i sure hope the lakers play contenders the way they've played the first 7 games. (except when they played toronto on friday...that was ugly)

best response to lebron's commercial:

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deuce 11-09-2010 7:36 PM


Originally Posted by deuce (Post 1641641)
Millsap is a beast.

*****in BEAST..... Wish the Jazz had about 4 P.M.'s....

GREAT win tonight.... This team is talented, but who knows what is going to happen night to night....

95sn 11-10-2010 11:00 AM

Millsap hit more 3's in one night than in his entire career. Nice come back win at miami.
Lakers travel to Denver tomorrow, props to the Pacers for softening the nugs up by scoring 144 on them last night. Someone mention earlier about how talented they were?

BCPMike0663 11-10-2010 1:01 PM

The warriors are holding strong in the early season. They look so much more like a team without Maggette out there. I don't have delusions of them making the playoffs. But the way they are looking I think .500 could be a possibility, kind of in the Memphis mold form last year. Plus Ellis Curry and Lee are just plain fun to watch.

polarbill 11-10-2010 1:15 PM

Joe, that is awesome. I hope he never wins a championship. He doesn't deserve it.

deuce 11-10-2010 8:35 PM

Whole smokes the Jazz are making it difficult on themselves....

Another GREAT win.....back to back, smiles so far this road trip.

deuce 11-12-2010 8:47 PM

The Utah Jazz have gone on the road and beat Miami, Orlando and Atlanta in the last 4 nights.....it has been some fun television.....(radio tonight, was coming home from the hockey game)

95sn 11-15-2010 11:29 AM

Another lackluster defensive night for the Lakers at home V. Phoenix when the Suns are just raining 3's on them. They average about 9 but hit 21 or 22, just unreal.
Kevin Love is killing it on the boards, 31 and 31 the other night, Tenacious!

deuce 11-16-2010 11:12 AM

GOD the West looks loaded. Just into the season, but Joe is exactly right that 2-3 and 8 may be a game or 2 apart(maybe 1?)... Not to mention 9-10.....:eek:

P.S. Kevin Durant is everything you want a superstar to be, but he gets WAY TOO MANY calls....:rolleyes:

wakeboardertj 11-16-2010 4:24 PM

Hahaha, this video made my day. Sums up my hate for KG, such a bitch.

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lfadam 11-16-2010 4:46 PM

KG is by far my favorite player in the NBA. Noone plays with as much intensity as him or cares about the game more than him. I love his style of actual play too (hard D and mid range shooting combined with low post moves). Yeah he runs his mouth, thats part of his intensity, I see why people dont like him but it doesnt bother me

dakid 11-17-2010 11:50 PM

i'll say it once, i'll say it again; greg oden is the 2nd coming of sam bowie.


95sn 11-18-2010 11:35 AM

^^heard that on the radio this morning...Think positive Joe, maybe hes the second coming of Bill Walton who lost much of his first few years... or it might be a Portland thing. Brandon Roy is bone on bone on his knee and i dont think its getting any better.

11-18-2010 1:05 PM

yeah, poor Portland fans. That team had so much promise and it all just fell apart. Roy may never be the same and it seems that Oden is done. Sucks

bflat53212 11-19-2010 12:34 PM

I think Portland would take Sam Bowie over Oden. At least Bowie played and averaged 10pts 7.5 rbs and 1.8 blks in over 500 games in his career. Oden hasn't even played, for the most part. Bowie gets a bad rap because he was picked before Jordan. He was at least a serviceable big man in the NBA.

"Kevin Durant is everything you want a superstar to be, but he gets WAY TOO MANY calls...."

I know a lot of you guys are Laker fans, but man it makes me sick to watch a game with the Lakers playing. The calls they get are just ridiculous. If someone breaths on them, they get a call.

bflat53212 11-19-2010 12:42 PM

I must admit, I used to love KG. I've lost a lot of respect for him now that I get a chance to see him play more on the Celtics. He is kind of a little B#@$#. It's a joke to think he called Villanueva a "cancer to his team" in the heat of battle. Doesn't sound like Garnett at all. Now calling him a cancer patient...yeah, that sounds like KG.

dakid 11-22-2010 3:05 AM

good lord griff!

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deuce 11-28-2010 9:36 AM

Blake Griffin has become my favorite non-Jazz player in the NBA.... He is just fun to watch....

In fact, I'm adopting the Clips as my non-Jazz team and pulling for them to turn things around and try to sneak into the 8....

95sn 11-29-2010 11:44 AM

I got Griffin and the clips slotted the same way. Thats ROY right there.

95sn 12-02-2010 1:57 PM

Im interested to see Cavs and Heat tonight. The king should be wearing his flack jacket and ear plugs cause some of those fans are still sore he took his talents to southbeach.
Lakers have been terrible recently, not too worried but thought it should be said. Ive been seeing too much one on one and not enought team offense. Defense has been a sieve.
Clippers got another great game from griffin and beat the spurs, and the spurs are at least as good and probably better than last year. Nice win.

dakid 12-19-2010 12:44 PM

it's gettin' close to the big game on christmas day. both teams are lookin' good. if the lakers take advantage of their length, the heat won't stand a chance. if not....

95sn 12-20-2010 4:33 PM

i thought only crickets were allowed in here...quiet lately.

Lakers had a good roadtrip, playing well, like you said so are the Heat. Take advantage of the length and make the extra pass... Defensivly i think the lakers have enough, Barnes, Artest have been playing good D.

bflat53212 12-22-2010 8:02 AM

Thrilled with the win by the Bucks last night. No Jennings, Magette, Gooden nor Delfino and the Bucks pulled out a tough win with great defense in LA, while being extremely undermanned.

It cracks me up how the media can only talk about how Odom was feeling ill and Kobe had a fender bender before the game......WTF???? How about Milwaukee has never had all 5 normal starters on the floor together at one time even once this year. How about when Milwaukee finally got everyone back, but Delfino, they went 4-2, but then Jennings broke his foot and is out for 4-6 weeks. Seriously, I would take an ill Odom and a distracted Kobe....life is so hard in LA right now :confused:

95sn 12-23-2010 9:59 AM

^^ Embarrassing loss by the lakers. I see no effort too often with this team. It appears watching teams like San Antonio or Boston even Dallas they have something on the line and play w/ passion. Life IS hard in LA now. At tipoff I never know if the good lakers are showing up or the just playing another regular season game lakers are on the floor. i got no prediction for christmas day.

dakid 12-27-2010 6:12 PM

wow....that was just pathetic. i hope the last 2 games wake the lakers up to the fact that teams are not just going to lay down for them.

on another note, aren't the clippers (specifically, blake griffin) really fun to watch?

sidekicknicholas 12-28-2010 6:52 AM


aren't the clippers (specifically, blake griffin) really fun to watch?
Agreed. I can tell if he played by watching the top ten on the following day.

mjfan23 12-29-2010 5:37 PM


ttrigo 12-29-2010 6:00 PM

and its not just griffin. the clips as a whole have a ton of top ten plays on SC this year. they are a very, very exciting young team to watch.

dakid 12-29-2010 11:08 PM

doesn't deandre jordan remind you of a young marcus camby (a bit less physical though)?

95sn 12-30-2010 10:41 AM

Griffin, Eric Gordon,DJordan...clips have some talent, baron should embrace it.
Wade is on a scoring binge.
Down goes Garnett, again.
Lakers beat down another under .500 team, yawn except for odom's around the back finger roll and put back...
Happy new year all.

12-30-2010 12:04 PM

Not much for me to be happy about this year. Team has been struggling big time. But, last night was awesome, my sports highlight of the year without a doubt...

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95sn 12-31-2010 11:14 AM

Spurs are a different team this year, and they are good!

ttrigo 01-01-2011 1:37 AM

the only thing Baron is embracing this year, is his inner Vin Baker. and I blame it all on Elton Brand. he ruined Baron's desire for the game, and now he is just a paycheck cashing machine. sad really.

mjfan23 01-01-2011 1:21 PM


95sn 01-04-2011 10:06 AM

Train, sure Elton Brand pulled a fast one on baron and the clips...but a pro keeps his head straight, gets into shape and plays harder and smarter. Baron sits on the prof. ball player/entertainer fence and sittin on the fence never works. ...Baron hasnt givin 100% since he was a GS Warrior. And it is sad.
Lakers are also pretty sad at this point. Arguably more talent than last year yet they cant get it to translate to the hardwood. Seems pretty clear what their issues are and the zenmaster having early trouble getting them to wake up. Time will tell.

dakid 01-12-2011 10:18 PM

del negro just got his signature win; the clips over miami! they're definitely comin' together and winnin' ball games now. i'm stickin' w/ my prediction that the clips are going to make the playoffs.

95sn 01-13-2011 2:30 PM

LA Times Sports front page...The Clippers had all the headlines after that impressive win. 15 and 23... still 14 1/2 games out ...gonna need to win about 30 more of 44 remaining, i would think. Maybe it was Karma striking the king and his jesters:)
I missed Miami/La in favor of Lakers/ Golden State. Also a great game..Ellis was on fire early and often. Odom had 16 in the first 6 mins of the 4th qtr..Kobe had 17 in the second 6 minutes of a 46 point closing qtr. Fun game to watch and i dig warrior jerseys.

dakid 01-13-2011 2:48 PM


Originally Posted by 95sn (Post 1654633)
Maybe it was Karma striking the king and his jesters:)

was thinkin' the same thing!

dakid 01-14-2011 4:38 AM

see how fast chalmers gets behind his teammates.

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mjfan23 01-16-2011 3:58 PM

Lamar waste of talent odom is a thug.

ttrigo 01-16-2011 7:55 PM

how many "top" teams have the Clips beaten this year? and then they lose to the crap teams!!

ttrigo 01-17-2011 2:43 PM

Blake Griffin is playing with whole other level of intensity. lets hope he does not blow up and punch right through someones face!!

95sn 01-18-2011 9:41 AM

Someone needs to call tim duncan and tell him Blake griffin or Kevin love will be taking his place at the all star game.

dakid 01-18-2011 10:50 AM

haha! even though i agree that griffin and love deserve to be there, they may not take the top spot until next year. this definitely has been their breakout year so far, so if they keep it up, they'll definitely be in the running next year.

01-18-2011 12:01 PM

Yeah, unfortunately only 1 of them will probably make it and they both deserve to be there. I'm guessing Love will get shafted due to playing for the TWolves and not having the highlight reel material.

There are no real quality Centers in the West. They should move Duncan to C and open spots fo both Love and Griffin.

95sn 01-18-2011 3:44 PM

^^ interesting idea. can they do that? Who is vacating the spot Monta Ellis, Russel Westbrook..

95sn 01-19-2011 10:14 AM

T-wolves V. Clippers today...aka Griffin V. Love...winner gets the allstar nod.

01-29-2011 8:29 AM

And DeMarcus goes into LA and backs up the offseason Andrew Bynum smack talk. Atta boy young buck!

dakid 01-29-2011 8:36 PM

we'll see you in the playoffs! oh wait...my bad. ;)

mjfan23 01-30-2011 12:41 PM

"As Mr. Dwyer explained a little bit ago, this post by Henry Abbott on TrueHoop has taken our basketball corner of the Internet by storm Friday for claiming that Kobe Bryant(notes) is not as clutch as everyone thinks. By the numbers, Kobe makes a little less than one of every three shots when his team is down two, down one, or tied on the final possession, which makes him one of the worst performers among players with at least 30 attempts in those situations. Kobe also rates poorly in all situations in the final five minutes or overtime."

01-31-2011 8:11 AM


Originally Posted by dakid (Post 1657450)
we'll see you in the playoffs! oh wait...my bad. ;)

haha, not this year or maybe even next but we're on our way up baby!!! My hope is we just happen to catch a playoff series or two with you guys on your way down.

Followed up the win in LA with a win against the Hornets, who were on a 10 game win streak at the time. DMC, just a measly 25/12/7. I can't believe 4 teams passed on this guy in the draft.

95sn 01-31-2011 2:51 PM

4 teams passed on Cousins because he has been a head case, not questioning his play.
Another unimpressive home game by the lakers. Appears they only have trouble against the under .500 (bad teams) and the over .500 (good teams). Other than that...
Little bit of Lamar Odom and a whole lot of Kobe Bryant wasnt close to enough V. Celtics. Artest played terrible on both sides of the ball, Gasol made invisible by Garnett. Celtics owned the boards too. Shaq sucked, other than that...

95sn 02-08-2011 11:38 AM

Carmelo for Bynum...would you do it?

dakid 02-10-2011 3:06 PM

no, i wouldn't...not under today's circumstances, anyway.

ej, what's your take on coach sloan's shocking retirement?

95sn 02-10-2011 3:32 PM

I wouldnt do the trade either, true bigs are a rare breed.

I had just heard the Sloan news at lunch today..rumor was he and deron williams fueding over play calling...shocking is a good word. wheres EJ?

ttrigo 02-10-2011 4:59 PM

if you could lock up melo for at least 3 years, how can you NOT do this trade? Bynum is one more semi-serious knee injury away from being out of basketball forever.

lizzyb 02-10-2011 7:40 PM

I'm so sad about Jerry Sloan. I will bet anything that Williams won't stay anyway and now they'll be without their leader of 23 years. Lame.

I wouldn't trade for Melo either. Our defense is crappy... the last thing we need to do is trade for another forward instead of keeping a legitimate center. Pass.

mjfan23 02-10-2011 9:22 PM


Originally Posted by 95sn (Post 1659530)
I wouldnt do the trade either, true bigs are a rare breed.

I hope this is a joke.....

Bynum is not a true big. Hes an average role player whose career probably will never meet its potential.

lizzyb 02-10-2011 10:48 PM

Just like Kobe is an average role player, right? :)

ttrigo 02-11-2011 10:09 AM

the clips should try and ship kaman and a couple others to denver for melo. that would work out.
speaking to a friend of mine who works for the lakers, he said bynum is a pretty fragile dude. up there with Oden and Yao when it comes to his body.

mjfan23 02-11-2011 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by lizzyb (Post 1659583)
Just like Kobe is an average role player, right? :)

Absolutely. At this point in his career his numbers have dropped significantly. I think its pretty clear this has become pauL's team. Shaq carried Volume Shooter to a few titles, lets see if pauL can as well.

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