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Task 08-08-2010 7:55 PM

Older ski boats with deep V hull - Vdrive = V-Hull?
 
Question to you all, if I am looking at some used older V-drive ski boats (2000 - 2003), is it safe to assume these older V-Drive boats will have a v-hull? Sorry, a bt of a newbie here, but am currently looking at some older V-Drive boats, but am not sure if they all have v-hulls (or if the manufacturer just put a v-drive into a non v-hull boat). Definitely want to buy a ski boat (Sanger, Malibu, etc), but want to be able to cut through the chop on the local lakes. Any feedback on this would be great (let me know if I need to clarify). Older boat suggestions to check out would be great as well.
Thanks!

lifetimewarranty 08-08-2010 8:11 PM

They are all different. Sangers are all generally at least semi-v (and have very good choppy water traits), but the others will all vary from model to model. I own a Sanger DLX, which is almost identical to the V210, and it handles big chop excellently.


As far as I know, most are not V-hull (like the older Malibu's, X-stars, etc).

Some of the older Mastercrafts - like the X10 - are not quite as flat as the typical ski boats, and that will help in the chop. I think that is why they made that boat, which is very similar to the original X-star in size, but the rear is convex (not v, more of a "U").

I'd bet that some of the Centurions are semi-v also...but not sure which ones.

I imagine we can start a list here:

Sanger V210 - definitely Semi V
Mastercraft X10 - Semi "U"
Too lazy to think of others...

Waterski mag online may have some online testing of that generation of boats - they go back a ways for their boat tests and should list the hull design.

Jeff 08-08-2010 8:35 PM

I think you're confusing two terms because they both have a "V" in them. A v-hull and a v-drive don't necessarily have anything to do with each other.

You know what an "inboard" boat is right? Well, there are generally two types of inboard drive systems: Direct drive and v-drive and neither of those necessarily dictates the hull style.

It sounds like you already know what a V hull is but a v-drive refers to an inboard boat with a specific type of transmission. This transmission allows the engine to be mounted backwards (relative to a direct drive) and further back in the hull. The output shaft on the engine will point towards the bow and the v-drive transmission, through a series of gears, diverts the rotating force back about 160 degrees (Sideways "V" shape) or so. Advantages include better passenger compartment layout, better board sport wake. Disadvantages include drivetrain power loss due to the additional gearing and worse ski wake.

The most common application I know of for a v-drive is in 19-25 ft or so pleasure boats but they could be utilized for other applications.

If you're looking for a v-hull with a v-drive I don't know of any off the top of my head. The MasterCraft MariStar line (And their X... counterparts) have modified v hulls but they aren't nearly as deep as what you'd typically find on an inboard/outboard runabout.

Jeff 08-08-2010 8:45 PM

Oh and the dead giveaway for a v-drive vs. direct drive is the big hump for the engine in the middle of the passenger compartment. If there is one then it's a direct drive and if there isn't one but there's a much larger compartment under the rear sundeck for the engine then it's a v-drive.

I'm sure someone will come along with some obscure exception to that rule but the above will apply to 99% of the inboards that you look at.

Task 08-08-2010 8:54 PM

Thanks guys for your responses.

Yes, I have been reseaching V-Drives and am familiar with direct drives. What was confusing to me (as you pointed out) was if having a v-drive automatically gives you more a of v-hull type boat. Based on input it sounds as if they are not. I guess I should have asked what older v-drive boats might handle chop better than others.

08-09-2010 7:11 AM

Not sure about other boats, but the early Malibu VLX's (v-drives) do not handle chop very well. This is my experience anyways.

bmartin 08-09-2010 9:27 AM

Most Vs on inboards are not as deep as you will find on typical I/Os but they will vary between brands and models. Centurions have some of the deepest Vs through the hull and in turn do handl chop better than some others. If you want to get a quick feel how deep a v is in a boat look at the stern of the boat. See the difference in pics:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Images.a...&ImageID=40243

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Images.a...&ImageID=40972

lifetimewarranty 08-09-2010 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Task (Post 1619345)
I guess I should have asked what older v-drive boats might handle chop better than others.

See my original post...

To add to my list, I would also concur that the Maristars are made for heavier chop (although that generation X-star is a flat bottom), and I know that the Malibu's handle chop well also - although their hull seems really flat compared to some. Could be that they are just really solid boats, though.

polarbill 08-09-2010 9:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Task (Post 1619345)
Thanks guys for your responses.

Yes, I have been reseaching V-Drives and am familiar with direct drives. What was confusing to me (as you pointed out) was if having a v-drive automatically gives you more a of v-hull type boat. Based on input it sounds as if they are not. I guess I should have asked what older v-drive boats might handle chop better than others.

The answer your question, NO. If you want an early 2000's vdrive that handles chop well then look at most Centurions, Sangers and Tige's. Those 3 brands are known for having deeper V hulls than other brands in that year range. This is just a general statement though and not all their models have deeper V's.

kko13 08-09-2010 4:17 PM

The two I like for the deep V and good ride in that era are the Tiges and Supra. I run my 03 Tige in the gulf and in the bay handlees chop excellent. Sanger looks like they would do well but never had one out in the ruff stuff so I cant say for sure.

nick_in_ssp 08-09-2010 5:32 PM

I have a a '97 Malibu VLX and doesn't ride very well in bigger waves. I was on a v-drive Sanger and it cut through bigger waves with ease. I was very impressed with how nice the ride was.

apwrx 08-09-2010 6:35 PM

I had a 2001Malibu Wakesetter and as long as the center ballast was full it handled chop very well,better than the 98 reinell i/o it replaced.

Task 08-09-2010 8:11 PM

Thanks guys! Your feedback has really helped me ( a lot). The comments here have given me quite a few boats I need to research and look out for on Craigslist, etc. If there are others, please post em!
Thanks!
Bill

Task 08-09-2010 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmartin (Post 1619492)
Most Vs on inboards are not as deep as you will find on typical I/Os but they will vary between brands and models. Centurions have some of the deepest Vs through the hull and in turn do handl chop better than some others. If you want to get a quick feel how deep a v is in a boat look at the stern of the boat. See the difference in pics:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Images.a...&ImageID=40243

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Images.a...&ImageID=40972

yeah - those two pictures give me a much better understanding of what to look for between boats. You can definitely see a difference.

RPM_DLX 08-09-2010 8:56 PM

I have a Sanger DLX that I just bought a month ago. I came from a deep vee I/O (19 foot four winns). I am impressed with how well the sanger handles the chop. Its still not as good as the 19 foot deep vee but it does quite well and better than I expected. I will also say that when the sanger takes a good hit, the boat does a good job on taking it, like its a very solid boat. I am not sure on all the influencing factors, since the sanger is a heavier and longer boat as well.

wakemikey 08-12-2010 10:18 AM

Supra has been well known for having some of the deepest vee-bows on the market and they have since the 80's. If you are looking at early 2000's check the Supra Launch.

Task 08-13-2010 8:55 PM

Thanks for the tip! I will also check out Supra.

Also, I'm not going to limit myself to just v-drives. Many more used boats out there have the direct drives so think I will be targeting those as well.

dirtracer27x 08-15-2010 9:53 PM

my 04 centurion hurricane aka elite v drive handles chop with no probs, :)


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