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Bill_Dad 06-29-2010 1:14 PM

Harley Clifford BS9 W2W
just talking to Harley and he has landed 2 BS9 W2W he has it on video and will post it soon

captain_vilfo 06-29-2010 1:21 PM

were they wrapped? lol

Gears 06-29-2010 1:24 PM

probs not

Bill_Dad 06-29-2010 1:24 PM

it is on facebook Harley Clifford or you tube not wrapped handle passed

ralph 06-29-2010 1:24 PM

So sick

captain_vilfo 06-29-2010 1:29 PM

ok haha lord knows we need another article about people hating on another wrapped BS 9, anyways thats awesome!

behindtheboat 06-29-2010 1:33 PM

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mattgettel 06-29-2010 1:36 PM

what does "wrapped" mean?

cwb4me 06-29-2010 1:37 PM

SO MUCH FOR NOT TAKING CHANCES DURING THE SEASON. this kid rocks ! he is pushing the sport i like that.CONGRATS HARLEY.

behindtheboat 06-29-2010 1:39 PM

Protected. When going at something for the first time you should always wrap it, as it is somewhat easier and safer. The more experience you get with a trick, you can move to not wrapping it as much.

andy_nintzel 06-29-2010 1:44 PM

OMG! that was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! I am totally in shock, Bill Did he land more than one cause that looks like it was on LOCK!

A-Dub seriously you think people should learn wrapped first?

bbr 06-29-2010 1:48 PM

All I can say is WOW! That kid is on a totally different level than anyone else in the sport. He is truly an amazing rider.

What is the idea behind learning something wrapped before passing the handle? It certainly doesn't make it any easier cause it totally changes the trick.

behindtheboat 06-29-2010 1:48 PM

Only when dealing with a trick like that of the KGB

andy_nintzel 06-29-2010 1:50 PM


okay I follow you. in that case I would Agree I learn KGB and Tootsie rolls wrapped first.

mattgettel 06-29-2010 1:50 PM

i'm still not sure what wrapped looks like. Like wrap a gift?

stephan 06-29-2010 1:50 PM

A-dub, really? I find that wrapping completely changes the trick. I wouldn't say its easier, just different. As for being safer, I don't really follow. How is it safer?

Props to Harley for continuing to do some crazy stuff on the water.

behindtheboat 06-29-2010 1:53 PM

My joke was either that bad, or went over some heads. No, I do not think wrapping is "easier" than passing, especially once you learn to pass the handle I think that is easier. I apologize for the derailment.

Matt, it's when they pull the handle around one side of the hip, and grab the handle behind their back, thus when in the air a handle pass is eliminated by just unwinding the rope.

lfadam 06-29-2010 1:53 PM

thats unreal. makes it look like its nothing! harley for prez

andy_nintzel 06-29-2010 1:53 PM

Not only does wrapping change the whole trick, but the approach is totally different.

mattgettel 06-29-2010 1:56 PM

thanks A-dub. copy that.

behindtheboat 06-29-2010 1:56 PM

Here is Kyle Alberts' wrapped version of the trick
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mattgettel 06-29-2010 2:01 PM

so when you wrap you obviously eliminate 1 handle pass but does it help you rotate faster too?

Bill_Dad 06-29-2010 2:51 PM

Hi Andy,

Harley landed 2 bs9's in that set plus four 9's. He was going back out to do some more bs9's hopefully.

brhanley 06-29-2010 3:04 PM

That is sick. Nice use of a dumper, it appears, as well.

holdsworth 06-29-2010 3:43 PM

That was nastyyy... sick Harley!

Looks like the driver tripped the wake a little bit to help him with the height but still was sick nonetheless. Clean as hell too.

kyle_L 06-29-2010 3:47 PM

Adam, I think that is just how the guy was operating the camera. I thought the same thing at first but after I watched it a few times, it seemed more of an effect by the person filming.
On a side note, look how much longer he has to wait for his pop when doing a handle pass vs wrapped bs spin. The wrap makes a HUGE difference in this trick.

andy_nintzel 06-29-2010 3:50 PM


THAT IS AMAZING!!! 5 NINES!!! Dont think any one can claim that! NOT to mention all Handle passes. Your kid is amazing!

wake_upppp 06-29-2010 5:09 PM

No cheers from the boat?! Kids a machine!

holdsworth 06-29-2010 6:17 PM

Kyle, watch the water churned up from the prop... it leaves a noticable angle of the path the boat took. My dad did this back when we had our X-7 to make a slightly bigger wake for me when starting to learn mobes.

wakeordie 06-29-2010 7:48 PM

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5 900s

cwb4me 06-29-2010 8:10 PM

HE'S THE REAL DEAL! you can hate on him if you want, but he's commited to excel in this sport!

cheesydog 06-29-2010 8:17 PM

i take it all back I think harley will get a 12 this year. I dont think there is any doubt now. Harley is the greatest spinner our sport has ever seen

norcalbordr 06-29-2010 8:19 PM

Why would anyone hate him??? The kid is by far the best rider on the planet and he is barely old enough to drive a car

tripsw 06-29-2010 8:34 PM

HOLY ROCKAMOLY! Insane. I stick with what I said; he'll stick a 12 in the next few months.

mossy44 06-29-2010 8:39 PM

has anyone else done this before? I know it has been done wrapped, but what about all handle passes?

congrats. made it look too easy.

Bill_Dad 06-29-2010 8:44 PM

Harley is the first to land a w2w bs9 and the first to be able to spin 5 nines as well.

Bill_Dad 06-29-2010 8:48 PM

what do you guys think he will do for trick of the year??????????????????????

gene3x 06-29-2010 8:53 PM

Unreal .... it is beyond me how anyone does that wake to wake when I can barely spin a 5..... :(

gene3x 06-29-2010 8:54 PM

a different Mobe 7 ?

bennn 06-29-2010 9:47 PM

absolutely ridiculous... 12

waterdork88 06-29-2010 10:30 PM

We do the same turn to help learning moves. Some call it a cheat, but I still look at it as a legitimate.

I'd rather see a wrapped "grabbed" bs 9 then all handlepasses... but w2w bs 9 is better than a doubleup imo but enough with the comparisons THAT WAS SICK I QUIT!!!

hyperlite 06-30-2010 4:26 AM

yeah i agree. Not taking anything away from HC but Kyles is the best looking one style wise. Rathy's is as well.

kyle_L 06-30-2010 6:11 AM

Lee, you can't compare a wrapped vs handle pass trick style wise. Obviously if you wrap up you are going to have an easier chance of going for the grab and make the trick look better. I think Kyle's looks more like a one trick wonder (just kind of spinning until he hits the water) where Harley's looks like something he can get consistent. With 5 9s now, he is definitely going to have a w2w 10 in there soon.

captain_vilfo 06-30-2010 6:30 AM

that first hs 9 was SOOO smooth, oh and that BS 9 was kinda cool too

andy_nintzel 06-30-2010 7:21 AM

The more I watch this the more impressed I am I, Harley is a machine!

acerock88 06-30-2010 11:33 AM

That is sick. Wasn't Harf the first to have landed five different nines? If doing them off the double up counts, then I think he was the first. That aside, Harley is killing it lately.

Bill_Dad 06-30-2010 12:20 PM

i dont think danny has landed 5 nines of the wake Harley is definately the only person to land 5 nines wake to wake

andy_nintzel 06-30-2010 5:38 PM

Bill is correct, Harley is flying into the rocrd books as first person to land 5 w2w 9's all handle pass.

tripsw 06-30-2010 7:41 PM


Originally Posted by Bill_Dad (Post 1603157)
what do you guys think he will do for trick of the year??????????????????????

Double hoochie-Sbend-to blind?
Dude I don't know but can't wait to see it!

harleyclifford 06-30-2010 8:20 PM


Originally Posted by acerock88 (Post 1603380)
That is sick. Wasn't Harf the first to have landed five different nines? If doing them off the double up counts, then I think he was the first. That aside, Harley is killing it lately.

hey Andy actually bill is correct i am the first to do 5 handle pass 9s wake to wake, and i am the first to do all 4 frontside 9s in a row on film.

andy_nintzel 06-30-2010 9:05 PM

wrong person Harley! hahahaha, no worries, I know that you are the first I was agreeing with your pops!

Keep eating those frosted gnarly flakes for breakfast man!!!! Your on FIRE!!!!! Any thoughts on moves for trick of the year???

Bill_Dad 07-01-2010 9:27 PM

was talkin to Harley today and he told me he landed another w2w bs9 today

FloppyRider 07-02-2010 9:58 PM

This is amazing. The more I watch it the more impressed i get and I can't believe that the sport has come this far in such a short amount of time. Harley is one of the top new innovators of the sport and I think he will be the first to land a BS 10… Just an idea for trick of the year. Keep up the amazing riding Harley

jsweat 07-03-2010 8:10 AM

rathy landed a BS 10 last year for trick of the year. Although it was a wrapped BS 10 you can say that he will be the first to land it. However he will more than likely be the first to land a handle pass BS 10. Harley you are absolutely killing it right now, keep up the hard work.

Bill_Dad 07-03-2010 5:28 PM

look how much the sport has progressed since last year, a ts9 hs7 and bs5 ts7 whirly5 crow5 and a pete kgb and slide good both ways was enough to win.
now you need more than 2 mobe 5 tricks and and a bunch of other mobes and at least 2 9's and at least a bs7 or heel or toe 7 to win. the level of riding has taken a huge step.
Rusty definately throwing a ts9 and swts9 at worlds last year made Harley go out and get consistent on sw ts 9's. Rathy throwing bs7's made everbody put in bs7 in there runs. There is a whole new generation of riders out there that are pushing the sport to new levels now, its scary hahaha

FloppyRider 07-04-2010 11:14 AM

I haven't seen Rathy's BS 10... was it off the DU? I would have to say that Harley would be able to land the BS 10 W2W soon. "NOT Wrapped"

jsweat 07-04-2010 11:33 AM

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waterdork88 07-04-2010 5:07 PM

Rathy, Rusty, Clifford, and Harf are all very possible canitadates for bs 10 all handlepassed.

FloppyRider 07-04-2010 10:48 PM

Thanks for the vids. Amazing... There are so many great riders out there today.. Its hard to say. I hope to see all of them attempt the bs 10. Its so crazy because its only just in the last few years have riders started pushing the boundries with the spins. Parks of corse has been pushing boundries for a while now but then you have Harf with his 12 and now rusty with the w2w 10... It seems like everyone has just decided to pick it up a notch and now everyones doing them. Its amazing to see this sport grow and I can't wait to see where it ends up..."not that it will ever end" I do want to say that I am a little surprised that the spins didn't happen a lot sooner than what they did... I look at snowboarding "pipe" with sean white... doin 12 and 14 its insane... I think and hope that our sport gets that far. I'm sure a lot of wakeboarders would love to see it progress to that. And MAN help us all if sean white decided to become a wakeboarder! lol

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