WakeWorld (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/index.php)
-   Wakesurfing (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=87668)
-   -   Post your boat's surf setup... (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=780467)

hawk22 06-10-2010 2:50 PM

Post your boat's surf setup...
I figure there have been quite a few individual threads where people ask, myself included, "how do you setup the surf wake for ___________?" I was just getting ready to post this again, because although I do like my setup, I wish the pocket was a tad longer. So, name your boat, weight, speed, wakeplate, trim tabs, etc. Anything you got to help someone out with a similar boat. And pics are good if you got'em.

Sorry if this has been beaten to death and/or posted somewhere else, but here goes...

I'll start.

03 Supra Launch SSV
Center GG full (1100)
Surf Side GG full (565)
Additional 600 full on surf side (if starboard, located behind driver seat on floor. If port side, located on seat as far forward as possible)
wakeplate set at 75% up
ppl: one on back swim deck surfside, one in back of boat surfside
10.7 MPH

In general, better goofy wake. Good high wake, but short pocket.


duffymahoney 06-10-2010 3:15 PM

4 Attachment(s)
03 Ski Centurion Avalanche C4
Center Ballast tank full (#250)
Avalanche sac full (#1500) on which ever side we are surfing
Transom Sac full, plus it has 100# of shot in it so a total of (#235) on the swim deck
2-#100 pound lead bricks that have matching carpet on which ever side we are surfing. I hate having sacs on seats.
Total weight: #2,185

We ride around 12 on stargazer gps. At 11 my wave is giant! But airs etc.. get way easier with speed.

Trim tab is normally up on both sides.

New 1:1.46 v-drive ratio to help with the weight and I run an acme 1579 prop.
Custom swim deck that doesn't touch or affect my wave at all.

colombiansurfer 06-10-2010 3:28 PM

1 Attachment(s)
08 Centurion Avalanche C4
Center Ballast tank full (#250)
Enzo sac full (#1500) on which ever side we are surfing
2 pieces of eye candy in the bow.
My crew of 5 (#700)
Total weight: #2,450
10.5 on the PP.
Trim tab up
It's a huge wave. We like it. In the pic, I am on the wall.

lakesurfer 06-10-2010 4:18 PM

08 Centurion Avy C4
1,200 lbs custom Avy sac on surf side
750 lbs on surf side seat (generally ride with small crew, decrease with larger crew)
250lb center tank
300lb in bow on surf side
Trim tab even transom to keep spray down

Skim at 10.7 mph
Surf at 11.7 mph

surfdad 06-10-2010 6:03 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Some very nice wakes. I'm amazed at the weight you guys are using, though. I'm around 1,600 including my people ballast.

'02 Tige 23V
Custom port side surf sac, theoretically, I think, it holds 1,280, maybe I get 1,100 in it
Taps on 4 when it works :) Currently @ 8 1/2 rotations out from full stop (not recommended)
Two people, Judy 98 pounds wet and wearing boots? me driving, around 190
We normally ride with Dennis, which ads @ 280 pounds, but in this photo we have a fat buddy (no offense BK! :) ) where Dennis normally sits. Figure 225

Water 1,100
People/BK Sac 515

Total 1,615

Speed is at 11.

StanleyWheelhouse 06-11-2010 6:49 AM

5 Attachment(s)
08 Malibu 247 AKA Blue Thunder

Factory Front Center and Left Full
Power Wedged Deployed

Custom 247 Surf Sac = 1600 +or- Auto drains and fills no pumps over the side = hellzyeah
400 Lb Tube sac under observers seat = Auto drains and fills no pumps over the side = hellzyeah

May add a 750 depending on crew size. me and the wife only = 750. four or more no go.
May add a 400 Lb sac to the platform as well for shiz and gigs

Regular and Goofy wave rock!

If you want a serious surf machine the 247 packs a monster punch.

wake26 06-11-2010 7:52 AM

1 Attachment(s)
2009 Calabria team v
stock ballast on surf side = 550
fat sack in the locker = 500
fat sack along the seats = 500
PP set at 10.5 and 11.2 for goofy side
trim tab 3/4 to fully up

tonyv420 06-11-2010 11:24 AM

04 centurion avy
275 in bow (surfin side)
750 on surf side
250 center
1000 back hatch surf side
9.5 to 10.5 mph
2275 total weight not counting people.
Usually have 350 to 400 lbs. of peeps
Looks rather close to Duffy's wave

leaks 06-11-2010 12:13 PM

1 Attachment(s)
'05 Tige 24V
Custom Enzo sac (1450# )
450# Lead plates
Crew of 4 (approx 700#)
Taps set at 3

dreamer 06-11-2010 12:14 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Enzo SV230 with just an enzo sac and one 130# passenger at 11mph in the first picture and we added a 500# sac on the port seat in the second picture and were at 11.5mph.

duffymahoney 06-11-2010 1:39 PM

I think this is a sweet thread. Just proves that most boats can throw a good-great wave if dialed in.

hawk22 06-12-2010 12:58 PM

seeing these pics makes me realize I need to do some more tweaking to my wave. Stanley, were you able to ride that out around the buoy and back? so sick!

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 1:15 PM

5 Attachment(s)
centurion cyclone 2005 ,switchblade enzo sac 800 pounds on the back seat and 500 on the side seat .

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 1:30 PM

4 Attachment(s)
centurion cyclone..

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 1:38 PM

we run about 12 to 14 miles per hour..

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 1:41 PM

3 Attachment(s)
up up and away.this is 14 mph.

bigshow 06-12-2010 2:11 PM

I like Johns the best.

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 2:41 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Josh Mulcoy surfing hurricane JamesZ ,fishermen run for there lives when we come through.If you want to ride this wake you have to sign a release form.josh is about six foot son you can figure out how big the wake is..

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 2:45 PM

2 Attachment(s)
I would love to surf a eight foot wake behind a boat..

ralph 06-12-2010 6:46 PM

You win. /end thread. Haha

scottnaz 06-12-2010 7:23 PM


Originally Posted by duffymahoney (Post 1595976)
I think this is a sweet thread. Just proves that most boats can throw a good-great wave if dialed in.

Agreed, but, this thread went a little squirlly today....IMO :)

hunter660 06-12-2010 7:39 PM

Anyone have an X-10 dialed in? I have tried everything. I have yet to find something that I can't surf, just nothing I'm happy with.

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 8:14 PM

We have no lifeguard on duty...so bring your own,heres my lifeguard..

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 8:15 PM

1 Attachment(s)
my lifeguard...;)

jdjjamesz 06-12-2010 10:05 PM

yeah thats my wife ,but she wont go on the boat anymore ,she thinks its going to sink..

06-15-2010 7:44 PM

Matching shoes are hot!

StanleyWheelhouse 06-16-2010 6:59 AM


Originally Posted by hawk22 (Post 1596288)
seeing these pics makes me realize I need to do some more tweaking to my wave. Stanley, were you able to ride that out around the buoy and back? so sick!

Cant take credit for that pick. That is my really good friend and riding coach Wes Beck!

hawaj 06-16-2010 7:43 PM

great thread!

petrey10 06-18-2010 7:40 AM

2001 Tige 20i
Jumbo V Drive Sac on which side of the engine I am surfing (regular)
TAPS depends on how many people are in the boat and where
11 mph (no PP... yet)

all while riding the Inland Surfer Squirt

Chuch 06-18-2010 11:38 AM

2005 Centurion Cyclone
For surfing: usually around 11.2mph
appropriate rear locker full with a 750 lb sac
100 lbs lead front side
100 lbs lead midship appropriate side
240 center tank full
300 lb sac rear seat on surf side
optional if not enough peeps : 3 80lb sacs
Then all peeps placed properly. We run very little weight up front!

Boat is exceptional on both sides. Probably better on the dark side, but we spend more time dialing it in over there. Trying to get a pic uploading but it keeps giving me an error.

jdjjamesz 06-18-2010 12:27 PM

what up charles that my boat,it makes a good left for you ,I need to try it but I have the side swipe on that side now..

4white 06-19-2010 11:25 AM

Anybody done up a Sanger V 215, just bought it and in the process of setting it up. Ordered the Tankbuster kit from Wake makers with the 1100 bags but havent received them yet.

duffymahoney 06-19-2010 11:53 AM

Yeah hatenpain on here and also Dennis. Both have amazing waves.

4white 06-19-2010 1:13 PM

What do you have up front? I am keeping the 500 centre bag, putting the new 1100's on either side. Not sure how much to put up front? I know for wakeboarding you should run 60/40, back to front, but what about surfing?

cjh1669 06-21-2010 2:58 PM

1 Attachment(s)
07 VTX stock MLS 500lbs extra surf side locker

sailing216 06-21-2010 3:23 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Centurion Avalanche: current setup: 400 in passenger storage hold. 1100lb Jumbo FH in locker filled with about 900 really, 750 on floor against pass seat. 2 spotters and driver. 2-3" below rubrail and no water in vent. Been more and bigger but this is safe and fun.
Pic at 11.5mph and blade at '5', and skim at 10.7mph

sailing216 06-21-2010 3:28 PM

1 Attachment(s)
One more
Now I need to stop skimming and learn to launch like you guys (:

06-21-2010 8:03 PM

EPIC 23V anyone?

Matt 06-21-2010 8:37 PM

Dont have any pcs yet... I have an SSV24

1200 surf sack rear driver side
5 passengers driver side 600#
7 yellow top batteries & 2 10" subs driver side (500#)
1/2 full 1150 bow,
300# rear passenger side
wake plate 75% up
speed between 10.5 -12

cjh1669 06-21-2010 8:55 PM

Forgot to add almost full wedge and 4 people in the boat

vman 06-22-2010 12:24 AM

2 Attachment(s)
2007 MasterCraft X45
Stock port 250, KGB 500, FH 750 port locker, FH 400 under observer seat, FH 400 on seat, FH 250 in bow locker. Custom surf deck. Speed at 11.5

jdjjamesz 06-22-2010 12:27 AM

nice,what lake is that ,the color of the water is insane..

rbeckei 06-22-2010 7:58 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Calabria Pro V2, full ballast, trim plate full up, one 350 fatsack in port side corner

scottymc261 06-22-2010 9:33 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Tige 2005 22v
plumed 700s in back lockers (only use one at a time, Left or goofy)
plumed 400 in bow
400 in back floor
Taps at 3 to 4
Speed 9.3 +or-
So 1500 plus 3 people or one more 400 in seat

beryessaboarder 06-22-2010 1:29 PM

2 Attachment(s)
07 Avy C4.
2-540lb Sacs in Locker. Center Tank Full. 2-3 sitting on surfside.

BlairJ 06-22-2010 2:28 PM

Man the Avy wakes are impressive. I see a common theme here :).

duffymahoney 06-22-2010 2:36 PM

I think it's cool people have dialed in most wakeboats! Surfs up:)

vman 06-22-2010 4:11 PM


Originally Posted by jdjjamesz (Post 1600033)
nice,what lake is that ,the color of the water is insane..

This is at Lake Pleasant...an hour northwest of Phoenix, Arizona.

vman 06-22-2010 4:50 PM


Originally Posted by duffymahoney (Post 1600377)
I think it's cool people have dialed in most wakeboats! Surfs up:)

Thanks to great forums like this one....and many hours shuffling sacks and peeps!

StanleyWheelhouse 06-22-2010 10:14 PM

hours? how about years and 4 boats and 12 tsunami pumps and four jabsco pumps and two engines and a ton of hose and wire and even more hose clamps and gas oh yeah and fat sacs and sac fittings and the next cool thing to come out that you dont have yet

and thanks to fellow engineers, riggers, riders and forums like this

we and that is all of us posting to this thread have created one of the best waves in the business and a great time!

lakesurfer 06-25-2010 7:34 AM

2 Attachment(s)
This set up runs me at the rub rail. So relatively safe without sinking the boat.

08 Avy
1,200lb Avy Sac
+/- 250lbs in bow
+/- 600lbs on back seat all the way toward port side
400lbs on port side seat
250lbs center tanks

rider and driver only

hawk22 07-13-2010 10:47 PM

anybody else with older supra ssv or comparable moomba? I was just curious if y'all are filling up center sac all the way (1150 lbs)? With only 1 addl person on board I can get a good wake with like I described at top (center full 1150, rear surf side full 565, addl surf side sac full appx 600), but with only one person on board I drive around 10-10.5. I've talked to a few ppl recently who didn't seem to think the center sac should be full all the way. Granted, these are just ppl I talk to, not ones that have ridden behind my boat. This my 2nd summer with the boat and I am still tweaking, but I feel like its pretty decent, but I was wondering if maybe not filling the center sac all the way and maybe driving faster would accomplish a better wake? After seeing some of these pics, I think I need to figure out how to lengthen the pocket...

you_da_man 07-13-2010 10:53 PM

Jeremy, fill the opposite side rear sac with about 300lbs and it will add more push to your wake. I have an 08 Moomba XLV and use 1100 rear sac, 1180 center (only half or slightly more than half full), and 400 on surfside floor with only the driver as well. I have another 400lb sac that I haven't used but I will try it on the surf side seat and/or the bow.

holmes 07-14-2010 8:26 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Long time reader just starting to post. Had to share a funny picture...we had to test our surf wake out in Feb., so son gears up and rides a massive wave!!!
07 VLX with 750's, front and center ballast full, corner full, 750 on the seat (don't normally do), plus we always have 480lbs of pop bags for fine tuning the wave! We love our Malibu, but also appreciate any nice, massive, wake for surfing because we know the time and effort spent to get it dialed in!!
Remember young kid on a big board, but pretty good wave!

trevorg7 07-14-2010 9:02 AM

5 Attachment(s)
07 Centurion Avy

250# Center (stock)
370# Under port seat (tube fly high sac)
1100# In rear port locker (jumbo fly high)

These pics are with just the family; 2 kids and the wife or me driving.

10.7 for Sue, 11.1 for me


sidekicknicholas 07-14-2010 9:19 AM

1995 Supersport Nautique

450 rear hatch surf side
800 lbs bow
4 people on the surf side - driver on the opposite side....
we are re-doing the ballast soon and I think are going to up the amount of weight we can run on the surf side.... its okay, but compared to some of these, its just weak.

somepeteguy 07-14-2010 10:00 AM

2005 MB B52 V23

1,000# in port tank
1,000# in starboard tank
750# sac in rear locker
300# sac under the seat on the side
400# lead in nose

+ 3 adults and 2 kids in the boat

11.2 mph on PP

younguns44 07-21-2010 10:52 PM

anybody have surf setup for a x-30

jstewart319 07-22-2010 8:57 AM

How about a MC X-25 with Surf Tabs?

islander033 07-22-2010 9:03 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Enzo SV230

Enzo sac + 300-400# bow sac + 340#s of peeps + blade at 7.....going 11mph via GPS.

green210 07-22-2010 3:52 PM

08 210 nautique
enzo sac in the back rear locker plumed (900)
nautique center arrow sac plumed (650)
750 up front
2 350 to throw around depending how people there are in the boat
we never use those because our boat is allready maxed out plus the people in our boat

hatepain 07-22-2010 7:23 PM

There's some funny pictures on here...be real people and take a decent shot from the back seat, not all this trick photography crap. Plenty of legit ones here too but loads of crap.

somepeteguy 07-22-2010 8:27 PM


Originally Posted by hatepain (Post 1612409)
There's some funny pictures on here...be real people and take a decent shot from the back seat, not all this trick photography crap. Plenty of legit ones here too but loads of crap.

Please explain what you mean by "trick photography crap."

That would be helpful and make you look like less of a tool. Maybe.

alans 07-22-2010 9:38 PM

Pete, you wave looks really good, it may be a little short and tall, but plenty of meat to spread out at higher speeds. Definitely no "trick photography crap." Your picture was taken from well inside the boat. V23's throw really good waves in my experience.

ragboy 07-22-2010 11:19 PM

Some great pics. I write software, and one of these days I want to build a type of parametric search tool for wakes by different manufacturers. But there would have to be some way to standardize how the pictures were taken, or some way of basic measurement that could be done, so apple to apples could be done. Not sure how to do that.

ragboy 07-22-2010 11:37 PM

I love this pic.


ragboy 07-23-2010 3:51 AM

I put together some good pics of both sides, 2 boats, 2 setups. This is the best angle to photo, to see distance and length of the wake.


RJ weighs about 140 riding a 4.6 JWSM from TWP. This is 11mph, with ~1000lbs enzo type sac in that one corner, and the people you see, nothing else. RJ still has room to go back in this picture. Here is another, he is launching, so you get an idea of his position in the pocket, closer forward, in the "launch" area.


Here is one with RJ at the back of the pocket.


Here is my oldest daughter on the regular side of the wake, same setup. She is forward in the pocket here.


Here is Ashley in the middle, can't find one of her in the back of the pocket.


Here is a pic of thomas about 3/4 of the way back or so, goofy.


Here is a nephew we were teaching, about 3/4 the way back on regular side.


I tried to use pics, that are all taken from normal position in back seat, normal lens not wide angle. And of course the chase boat pics. So nothing tricky here.

Now this is interesting, this is a 2010 RZ2, and the setup is 100% stock. This is the pro stock ballast from Tige, empty in the front, full in corner, only 600 lbs of water. 250 in under floor tank, and 350 in a sac in the locker, thats it, plus the people you see. The wake is about the same as our tige, and just gets bigger when you add weight.



Here is the regular side, again, STOCK, plus people.


This pic shows you people setup, I know I am a big dude, but still this is stock.


If you want to see comp weighted RZ2 shots, the festival shots are great.


holmes 07-23-2010 9:11 AM

Ragboy, thanks for the comments about the pic!! I laugh every time it see it! Also thanks for all your efforts you put into wake surfing. It is so enjoyable to watch my kids teach their buddies and others, hang out on the back of the boat (I know), good tunes, and good quality family time!
We love the lake, the people, and the family time it provides!!
Great looking new boat, looking forward to new pics and I have enjoyed the build process!

ragboy 07-23-2010 9:42 AM

Thanks, I showed RJ that pic. We had to review that RZ2 in October, it was like 62, but that looks like nothing compared to your pic. I showed RJ, he says, "Dude, thats hardcore". So tell your kid RJ says he is hardcore. I think its the shoes that make it for me. Just made me laugh.

Send me a PM, I will have RJ send you guys out some T-Shirts or something.

hatepain 07-24-2010 7:45 PM


Please explain what you mean by "trick photography crap."
Any pictures taken from the swimstep with the camera low or a person leaning way out the side again with the camera low. There may exist reasons to take those shots (artistic) but for the purpose of displaying ones wave they are unuseful. Let be honest here Pete, your wave is not consistently over your waste so why don't you post a legit picture of the wave. I find it telling that you immediatly got offended when I didn't single out anyone.

islander033 07-24-2010 9:29 PM

1 Attachment(s)

Originally Posted by islander033 (Post 1612088)
Enzo SV230

Enzo sac + 300-400# bow sac + 340#s of peeps + blade at 7.....going 11mph via GPS.

Same setup as above. Pic taken from the sunpad.

Lots of rules around here for posting pics...lol.

ragboy 07-25-2010 5:43 PM

It does make a big difference. Its about comparing apples to apples. Its not just getting low, when you take the pic from the swim deck, you have to use a wide angle lens, it just makes the wake look abnormally huge. Then it gives someone the impression that if they use your setup, they are going to get a wave up to their head.

Those pictures have a place, they are LOTS of fun. But not very helpful when trying to compare with others.

islander033 07-25-2010 7:12 PM

@ragboy-I kinda disagree due to there is currently no standard way to take a surf wave pic in which wave height and pocket length can be measured. Therefore all of these pics are more or less for ornamental purposes and are not "very helpful when trying to compare with others".

Beside the TS asked for surf setups....the pics are just a welcome bonus.

hatepain 07-25-2010 7:45 PM

While that is obviously true I'm sure you can agree that from the vantage of the swim pad its the most consistent depiction of both height and length. I just feel it lends the best perspective. Then again I am just the resident WW tool :)

ragboy 07-25-2010 7:58 PM

@dennis you are right, there is no standard way. I am not knockin your pics. I love em. I just mean, when it does come to comparison, they are not very helpful. And when you add them to a setup post, it can make people think you can expect that from the setup, and the picture is misleading. But I do understand, there is no real standard. I think the closest thing to a standard would be from the corner seat of the back of the boat, camera just above sun pad, using a regular camera, or normal 28-55mm lens on a SLR. Of course, that isn't written down anywhere.

_somepeteguy 07-25-2010 8:13 PM


Originally Posted by toolio (Post 1613072)
Any pictures taken from the swimstep with the camera low or a person leaning way out the side again with the camera low.

Sorry to burst your bubble sunshine but that picture was taken from inside the boat. Not on the swimstep, not on the sunpad, but from a seated position within the boat.


Originally Posted by toolio (Post 1613072)
Letsic] be honest here Pete, your wave is not consistently over your waste[sic] so why don't you post a legit picture of the wave.

Yes, let's be honest.

My wave is consistently over my waist. Sorry that you have trouble with that concept but you might want to consider that there are folks out there with longer, and heavier, boats than yours. You also need to consider that those folks are adding much more weight to their already heavy boats than you do.

The picture that I posted Is "legit" according to your funny definition of "legit." There is no "trick photography crap" going on. Just some snapshots taken by my daughter from within the boat.

Just some facts to help you out there sunshine!


Originally Posted by toolio (Post 1613072)
I find it telling that you immediatly[sic] got offended when I didn't single out anyone.

You're confusing being offended with being amused at your toolish behavior.

Here are many more pics from that session. All "legit" and taken while seated inside the boat. Please pay attention to the wave height. It should help prevent you from posting more fantasies.


ragboy 07-25-2010 8:53 PM

@somepeteguy Thats a great wake, and great pics, no doubt. It should be good, thats almost 4000 lbs with ballast and people. ;-)

I have thought at times how much fun it would be to get nuts one day. If I do do it, it would be in the fall, after the season. RJ and I usually screw around at that time. But for me, that kind of weight would be impractical.

If you ever get a chance, I would love to see what that looks like from the side, from a chase boat. Or better yet, see it in person, where are you from?

islander033 07-25-2010 9:40 PM

One of my pics was from "the corner seat of the back of the boat, camera just above sun pad, using a regular camera".....but yet you claim it to be "not very helpful".:confused:

ragboy 07-26-2010 12:57 AM

Sorry Dennis, I mean that the pics that are very low, etc, etc are not very helpful. I will admit at first, looking at pete's pick, it just looked phony. Then looking at the others, and then looking closely at his weight setup, I realized, damn, thats alot of weight, and dude, cool wake. But at first glance, didn't look right.

It would be nice to figure out a cool way to judge a wake, more objectively, maybe the AWSA would come up with some way. Anyway, don't take offense at the picture issue, it wasn't necessarily pointed at any one picture or person, just see it a lot.

Where you from Dennis? That is some beautiful blue water.

islander033 07-26-2010 7:41 AM


Originally Posted by ragboy (Post 1613356)
Sorry Dennis,......

Where you from Dennis? That is some beautiful blue water.

No worries ragboy.....Alberta, Canada.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 1:02 PM.