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mryan318 05-25-2010 7:49 AM

Axis A20
 
After driving the Axis A22, which seems to be a excellent boat if you get some options with it, and asking the malibu dealer where I am from at there on the water boat show questions about the boat they told me that Axis is coming out with a 20 ft boat. They said the boat should look just like the a22 but a little cheaper. The A22 goes for arond 45-50k with some options is what I and heard and read and they were thinking the A20 should be under 40k with some options. I wondering if anyone has seen any other info on it besides this http://axiswakeboardboat.com/axis-a-20/

MattieK27 05-25-2010 8:29 AM

Honestly, I wish more companies would explore smaller boats. 19 foot, 20 foot, heck even a decent 18 footer. Some of us just dont have the room for these bigger boats. Everything small is usually ski-specific.

An A-20 sounds interesting.

ClutchIndustries 05-25-2010 12:04 PM

I wish I was allowed to spill be beans, but i'm not. Keep your eyes pealed! This boat is gonna rock! No corners are being cut!

mryan318 05-25-2010 12:15 PM

Come on Ross tell us!!! I email axis with some questions and they hadn't email me back yet. What the guys at the dealership were telling me it should look like the A22

canucked 05-25-2010 12:23 PM

When is their expected to be more info? This sounds very interesting

tampawake 05-25-2010 1:39 PM

I would be extremely interested in this boat!

eyedvride 05-25-2010 2:28 PM

Can you tell us what hull design? Hopefully not the VTX, not a fan and I own a malibu.

ajholt7 05-25-2010 4:19 PM

Sorry to hijack but, the rumor is that Tige will be redesigning the 20V to make a 20' picklefork.

sippi 05-25-2010 4:25 PM

Tige huh. So what is this one going to be ? The RZ1? I doubt it will have as low of a price tag as the a-20. I'm really intersted in this new axis. Can you at least tell us when we'll be getting the info on it?

mryan318 05-25-2010 6:46 PM

Hull design of the A-22 after talking to Matt Bishop at Axis is a combination of a couple of the Malibu hulls so I'm guess the A-20 is the most likely the same kind of thing

wade_lewark 05-25-2010 8:46 PM

If it's anything like the 22, it will be a damn nice boat! Especialy with the same motor in it...

tampawake 05-26-2010 7:02 AM

Both companies seem to be going after the X2 customer. Not a bad idea for people looking for boats 10 to 20k less than what it seems a brand new X2 goes for these days. For me I like to keep my boat in my garage so staying in that 20-21ft range is perfect. Also more people can afford boats in the upper 30s to lower 40's. Its a bigger market and both companies are killing it right now with their new boats. Look forward to riding in both.

petrey10 05-28-2010 7:31 AM

I really wish someone would come out with a 20footer brand new out the door for 35ish give or take depending on the options you add on... add in a new boat warranty and all that jazz... I would serious look at any boat in this price range... Most people can't justify 45k+ on a boat when you don't get to use it ALL the time especially here in IL and farther up north

ajholt7 05-28-2010 7:59 AM

I didn't give much more than that for my Tige 20V brand new. I am sure the price will go up with the redesign, though.

stang_killa_ss 05-28-2010 8:16 AM

if they came out with a A20 it WOULD be my next boat.
ive got a small crew, small budget, and a small tow vehicle.
i prefer the 20 footers.

the smaller and lighter boat, would also allow the same ballast weight to sink it lower than the 22.

h20king 05-28-2010 8:22 AM

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not many boats in the 35,000 price range any more we bought our falcon new last summer for 30,000 as a brand new dealer repo with full warranty and 0hrs came with a 330hp black scorpion, ballast,heat, bimini and perfect pass.We could not be happier with the boat it is 20'8" long and has a 102" beam the free board is deep and after all my mods the wake is huge think we are into it for a total of 37,000 after doing the stereo,custom ballast,exhaust,switchblade,underwater lights,tower lights,docking lights,dual batteries,charger,racks,window tint and interior led's.the interior seems to have more room than most bigger boats.length was top of my list when shopping here are a couple pics if you are looking for a boat under 21' the falcon is worth taking a look at there are still some good deals out there

stang_killa_ss 05-28-2010 8:48 AM

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3595/axisa20proto.jpg

stang_killa_ss 05-28-2010 9:11 AM

http://news.activeh2o.com/axis-a20-p...ion-spy-photo/
http://axiswakeboardboat.com/axis-a-20/

ilikebeaverandboats 05-28-2010 9:25 AM

In some of these mocked up pictures of the axis boats, I cant help but think they look like the MB tomcat....
but the actual pictures make them look sick.


For tige, I guess it would be the RZ1 and im pretty sure they will keep the 20V cause there is still a market for it. But the 20 foot picklefork will compete with the X-2

ralph 05-28-2010 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by h20king (Post 1590708)
not many boats in the 35,000 price range any more we bought our falcon new last summer for 30,000 as a brand new dealer repo with full warranty and 0hrs came with a 330hp black scorpion, ballast,heat, bimini and perfect pass.We could not be happier with the boat it is 20'8" long and has a 102" beam the free board is deep and after all my mods the wake is huge think we are into it for a total of 37,000 after doing the stereo,custom ballast,exhaust,switchblade,underwater lights,tower lights,docking lights,dual batteries,charger,racks,window tint and interior led's.the interior seems to have more room than most bigger boats.length was top of my list when shopping here are a couple pics if you are looking for a boat under 21' the falcon is worth taking a look at there are still some good deals out there

A guy on our lake has a falcon, it is a great looking boat

smitty1258 05-28-2010 7:02 PM

+1 for the falcon :)

mryan318 06-30-2010 2:37 PM

They latest new I had heard from my dealer is they are coming with a single axle trailer

bruizza 06-30-2010 3:13 PM

I was told the pricing on the A22 is going up next year and that the A20 is going to be priced where the current A22 is priced. I hope this is not the case. That kind of thing would seem to go totally against the whole ideology of Axis.

spencerwm 06-30-2010 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bruizza (Post 1603489)
I was told the pricing on the A22 is going up next year and that the A20 is going to be priced where the current A22 is priced. I hope this is not the case. That kind of thing would seem to go totally against the whole ideology of Axis.

I was thinking that might be the case but I am hoping it is not. Fingers crossed.

jeff_mn 07-01-2010 6:24 AM

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Originally Posted by petrey10 (Post 1590660)
I really wish someone would come out with a 20footer brand new out the door for 35ish give or take depending on the options you add on... add in a new boat warranty and all that jazz... I would serious look at any boat in this price range... Most people can't justify 45k+ on a boat when you don't get to use it ALL the time especially here in IL and farther up north

Moomba Outback V is exactly what you are looking for. Plus it has one of the best surf waves on the market - especially for a 20 footer.

petrey10 07-01-2010 7:06 AM

i hope the price doesn't go up.... they will be competing with everyone else if they do that.... if its more price point they could be in a league of their own!! 35kish for a brand new 20ft boat (pretty much loaded) needs to happen!!!

chattwake 07-01-2010 7:42 AM

Quote:

I was told the pricing on the A22 is going up next year and that the A20 is going to be priced where the current A22 is priced. I hope this is not the case. That kind of thing would seem to go totally against the whole ideology of Axis.
That's not what I was told.

I can't wait until more information is officially released so I can talk about this boat.

mryan318 07-01-2010 12:40 PM

-Chattwake-

I have talk to Matt Bishop a few weeks ago and he gave me alot of info on the A-22 but wouldn't let me anything about the A-20. Do you know when they will be releasing info on the A-20?

mobv 07-01-2010 1:34 PM

There was an A20 in Charleston TN last Sunday that pulled several divisions of the "Board for a Cure" wakeboard tournament. There are pictures on facebook of riders behind the boat. Not sure if there are any boat pictures.

tampawake 07-01-2010 2:12 PM

Pete if that happens my boat will be for sale!

petrey10 07-02-2010 7:28 AM

mine too dude... I really think they would sell a ton of em....

you_da_man 07-02-2010 8:21 AM

Do you guys wanting or having 20ft boats use them in rivers, small lakes, or private lakes? There's no way I'd have a 20ft anything on the lake I use because there's lots of open water and 2ft wind blown waves are common...sometimes 3ft. That low freeboard just scares me.

cjh1669 07-02-2010 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by you_da_man (Post 1604103)
Do you guys wanting or having 20ft boats use them in rivers, small lakes, or private lakes? There's no way I'd have a 20ft anything on the lake I use because there's lots of open water and 2ft wind blown waves are common...sometimes 3ft. That low freeboard just scares me.

My free board is no different than the VLX on my VTX, and I'd assume the same will be true the A20 vs the A22. All in all Malibus ride low, but my boat handles 2-3 foot swells as well as can be expected for a malibu

ajholt7 07-03-2010 5:38 AM

My Tige 20V does not have a low freeboard. It handles big lakes like a dream.

chattwake 07-09-2010 10:04 AM

There will be an A20 wih us at Board Bonanza in Nashville this weekend.

stang_killa_ss 07-27-2010 12:02 PM

emailed my local dealership and got allitle info

"Thanks for your interest in AXIS. There are a few new things for 2011. A ski pylon is optional, better fitting cover, new cruise control programming, larger snap out carpet, better access to storage areas in bow and a few others. One of the big differences is the engines. After 12/31/10 no one will be able to order the AXIS without catalytic converters on the engine. They have been pretty much std. equipment on Wakesetters since ’07, but we have been resistant to put them on the Axis and Malibu Rides due to price. The cats on the motors will increase the cost by about $1500. So, apples to apples a fall/winter boat will be about $1500 cheaper than a late winter spring boat. No difference in horsepower, but cleaner emissions and a little better fuel economy with the cat motor. If you want to save $1500 then order before 12/31!

All the Malibu exterior colors are available on the Axis line for 2011.

The A20 is pretty simple. It is an Axis-ized Malibu VTX Wakesetter. The hull is similar if not identical to the VTX and it is mated to the Axis deck. A scaled down version of the A22. All the same features are there with just 100lbs less factory ballast than the A22. Can’t wait to see it. It will be about $4k price difference between the two boats I’m told. We’ll see."

bruizza 07-27-2010 1:02 PM

the optional ski pylon is a joke in my book. You take out the middle cup holder on the back sun pad and screw in the ski pylon.

stang_killa_ss 07-27-2010 1:06 PM

first pic ive seen!

2011 Axis A20

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4497914_n.jpg

bruizza 07-27-2010 1:27 PM

I do not like those graphics at all.

02byerly132 07-27-2010 2:38 PM

That's a 2011 A-22 actually. It's Adam's boat and the graphic is a one off. I got a chance to ride behind the new A-20 a month or so ago. The ballast were not completely full but the wake was nice. If you are in the market for a 20 ft. boat by all means check it out.

I myself can't deal with less than 21.5 feet, but like I said if you are in the market for a 20 ft. boat go out and test drive/ride one.

cwb4me 07-27-2010 2:52 PM

nice boat i don't care for the graphics or the lack of side windshield. but other than that it has a nice tower and good clean lines. colors can be changed but i don't care for the windshield. just my 2 cents.

stang_killa_ss 07-27-2010 3:31 PM

O OK. shoot. thought it was a spy shot.
i love the windsheild. so practical. and looks good too. and i prefer small boats.
smaller hull + same ballast = bigger wake. simple physics.

jonnymatrix5 07-27-2010 3:42 PM

That boat looks pretty sweet, but I agree... not a fan of the graphics. That new windshielf looks pretty cool, I just wonder how effective it is when you run into some cooler weather or chop?

elc 07-27-2010 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnymatrix5 (Post 1614368)
That boat looks pretty sweet, but I agree... not a fan of the graphics. That new windshielf looks pretty cool, I just wonder how effective it is when you run into some cooler weather or chop?

I bought our Axis in late feb so we did some riding in the cooler parts of the year. The only time I noticed the air was when there was a cool breeze. Chop isn't an issue, I have ran the boat on a sat in havasu and no water got in the boat.

The windshield is very functional. I can talk to riders and dock the boat by myself without having to leave the driver seat. I wasn't a huge fan of the window at first but it has grown on me.

stang_killa_ss 07-28-2010 6:55 AM

just got this from the dealership! just released by malibu and OKed for release. real pics of a A20 and a few tidbits of info. came to me in PDF, i just did a screen cap.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6995/a20q.jpg

man reverse the colors, and thats the exact boat i will order. no graphics and all.

bruizza 07-28-2010 7:14 AM

That is a good looking boat. Kind of wish our A22 had a transom seat.

beretta5spd 07-28-2010 8:02 AM

very nice. I always thought that if I bought an axis I would either order without the graphics, or peel them off. this boat looks real nice without the graphics

migs 07-28-2010 8:38 AM

Hard!

elc 07-28-2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bruizza (Post 1614632)
That is a good looking boat. Kind of wish our A22 had a transom seat.

+1^^ I wish we had a transom seat also.

silvermustang35 07-28-2010 9:53 AM

I see the brochure finally hit dealerships :)
Awesome

AP 07-28-2010 10:47 AM

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...am/photo-3.jpg

stang_killa_ss 07-28-2010 11:54 AM

sweet lord yes!

elc 07-28-2010 12:53 PM

awesome... are those stock graphics?

you_da_man 07-28-2010 1:12 PM

When is a 23-24 footer coming out!!! I like the lines but don't want the small boat.

mryan318 07-28-2010 1:17 PM

The first picture Corey posted is a 2010 A-22(All black with the word Axis at in angle) which is Adam Mccall demo boat I rode in last weekend at there Demo Day in Minnesota. The black and teal is a factory color you could order. They guys at MNInboard (The Malibu and Axis dealer here is MN) said they have a a-22 coming in the same color scheme

you_da_man 07-28-2010 1:24 PM

Cory, if you get this boat, that means we'll both be wiping our boats down after each use...not just me wiping down my boat

stang_killa_ss 07-28-2010 1:27 PM

amen! haha

daveronix199 07-28-2010 3:39 PM

DAMN...... I am SOLD.... Axis is Looking legit....

jjaszkow 07-28-2010 3:51 PM

Ed and Bruizza, that transom seat is also on the 2011 A22. A while back I sent a list of minor "issues" to Matt Bishop, and virtually every one of them is solved in the 2011 design. Matt and Adam are really going the extra mile to make sure that Axis keeps getting better while still keeping the cost down.

bruizza 07-28-2010 4:07 PM

I figured it was Joe. Unfortunately it will be a while before we upgrade from the one we just bought. A transom seat obviously wasn't a deal breaker but it would be nice to have.

stang_killa_ss 07-30-2010 11:24 AM

just got the first round numbers back from the dealership on building me a 2011 A20 to order.
with all the options i wanted (mild) it was 48Gs, after freight and rigging just under 50Gs

a bit higher than i need. maybe they take crotch rockets and camaros in for trade too, not just the boat

in the big picture, thats a killer price for a sick boat. no doubt. great market. just a bit high for me personally financially.
not giving up though. i still have this winter of payments on the moomba. and come spring alot can change. im still gonna give it a go for sure.

bruizza 07-30-2010 1:18 PM

I mentioned before that I was told the pricing on the A20 is going to be where the A22 is now and the A22 is going up. Cory's post seems to be somewhat confirming that. What options were included in that Cory if you don't mind me asking?

stang_killa_ss 07-30-2010 1:40 PM

-tricked out gel blue w/black accents
-swivel drivers seat
-carpet
-stereo package 1 (head unit, 6 speakers, 1 amp)
-PnP ballast
-wedge
-bimini
-fixed board racks
-boat cover
-high alt. prop
-pop up cleats
-depth gauge
-flip up drivers seat
-single axle standard trailer
-catalytic converters (forced after 12/31 $1650 )

you_da_man 07-30-2010 1:44 PM

A boat like that should come with tandem axle trailer

bruizza 07-30-2010 2:18 PM

we had all those options on ours except we have the upgraded tatami mat carpet, stereo package 2, the raptor 400 engine which is a $5000 upgrade, chillax seats, deck trac, tower mirror, and a tandem axle trailer and sticker was only 55k on it. So I definitely believe they are raising the price on the A22 and bringing the A20 in at the current A22 pricing.

I hope everything works out for you over the winter and into next spring and you can get the A20 Cory. I freaking love our A22 and from reading most of your posts/threads it seems like the A20 is the perfect boat for you.

chattwake 07-30-2010 4:02 PM

Man, I just have to choose either wb.com or wakeworld when reading Cory's posts. I hate reading the EXACT same posts over and over and over.

stang_killa_ss 07-30-2010 4:45 PM

AJ it was a $650 option to add the extra axle. i chose not too as it the same weight as my moomba thats on a single.

bruizza. he said there was a 4-6% increase in price this year. plus the additional $1650 for manditory cats. at the end of the last email he also mentioned they had a 2010 A22 instock for 48. 2k cheaper than the A20.....

thanks for the encouragement man.

Cory

delmage171 07-31-2010 6:19 AM

someone should post a picture of what wake in a A-20 with a couple thousand pounds in it looks like it when they get a chance!

wade_lewark 07-31-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bruizza (Post 1616026)
we had all those options on ours except we have the upgraded tatami mat carpet, stereo package 2, the raptor 400 engine which is a $5000 upgrade, chillax seats, deck trac, tower mirror, and a tandem axle trailer and sticker was only 55k on it. So I definitely believe they are raising the price on the A22 and bringing the A20 in at the current A22 pricing.

I hope everything works out for you over the winter and into next spring and you can get the A20 Cory. I freaking love our A22 and from reading most of your posts/threads it seems like the A20 is the perfect boat for you.

Got our 2010 Fully Loaded (every option possible, less Raptor/Cats) including Axis trailer guide pads, spare high alt. prop - out the door cost was $56k total (incld. tax/lic/doc). The dealer is no longer a dealer though? weird...

lfadam 07-31-2010 10:39 AM

These are sticker prices right? Or is this what people are actually paying

tampawake 07-31-2010 12:05 PM

48k for those options if thats list price I think thats high to me. If they jack the price on the A22 it will defeat the entire purpose of the project and to me a huge disappointed. I think that A20 looks awesome but at 50k by the time you pay tax tag and title its not worth it. Just my opinion which means nothing but then again I am a consumer and have a wakeboat.

ilikebeaverandboats 07-31-2010 1:08 PM

dig the blue trailer. these boats always look like they are leaning way forward on the trailer. guess its just the boat?

stang_killa_ss 07-31-2010 1:11 PM

mark you have to remember every axis and malibu for 2011 when up 4-6% AND on top of the the now maditory $1650 cats. together thats a $4650 increase per boat for 2011 vs 2010

wade_lewark 07-31-2010 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lfadam (Post 1616184)
These are sticker prices right? Or is this what people are actually paying

This was our price, out the door after all fee's/lic./doc/etc...

wake77 07-31-2010 1:57 PM

If you wait until fall of 2011, you could probably save several thousands on the A20. But a fully loaded A20 with a cat. converter for 48K doesn't seem too out of line.

jon4pres 07-31-2010 7:16 PM

What does a comparable vtx cost?

lfadam 07-31-2010 7:52 PM

Speaking of a 4650 increase in boat prices in 1 year...Ive asked before but Ill ask again, is anyone else alarmed at the rate of the increase in wakeboat pricing? I understand inflation, but from what I remember, a VLX cost low to mid 40s in the early 2000s, we got our 05 for low 50s, now they are well into the 60s maybe even 70k. thats a 50% increase in price in a decade or less. I dont think cars have seen that kind of jump, maybe Im wrong. Just seems that wakeboard boats are going up by thousands every year and are pricing themselves out of the market. What gives?

tampawake 08-03-2010 1:19 PM

Not out of line if that is list price find it funny that boats go up in price while most things I am seeing fall. So its not the cost of labor its not the cost of fiberglass but if you can get it raise the price. Capitalism!!! I own my own company and wish I could get a 6% increase every year on the products we sell. I would own a brand new A22 or BU VLX.

silvermustang35 08-12-2010 5:54 AM

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Heres some pics of the A20 interior and a wake pic too. (From Great Wakes Boating in Lenoir City, Tn) Thought i'd put it out there so people had better view of it and see the layout. Its pretty similiar, there are some differences. It looks like there is a cooler hideout behind the drivers seat which in the A22 is open layout, this is closed. The seat in the back for loading/unloading is new too. Sub location changed to in the floor it looks like and the door opens up vs sideways. Not sure if this was changed on the A22 as well but ill follow up on that too.
Also a new video was posted for it as well
http://www.vimeo.com/13991346

jjaszkow 08-12-2010 7:55 AM

<quote>Sub location changed to in the floor it looks like and the door opens up vs sideways.</quote> This was also changed on the A22 for 2011.

I am not sure what I think about the new sub location. I can see a lot of stuff we store in that compartment rolling into the sub.

Axis has really stepped up with the 2011's. They've really refined their already great design.


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