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kyle_L 04-20-2010 3:58 PM

Pro Tour A-Frame for sale...
 
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for a measly $12,000!!! Does this thing come with hydraulics or something?? How on earth could it have cost $12k to make this freaking thing. It is definitely a sick rail, but i mean you could hire a professional to build the exact same rail for you for I'm sure much less money

http://wakeboardingmag.com/news/2010...-a-frame-rail/

kyle_L 04-20-2010 4:04 PM

Now it would be sweet if one of the cables bought this thing. It would be perfect for Rixen or ODub. The Rixen aframe is cool and is transferable but it isn't the most fun rail to transfer because of the steepness and length of it. McCormick's aframe is definitely a good one so I don't think they need it. I also didn't realize how wide this aframe was.

Luker 04-20-2010 4:37 PM

^ Gap?

xistential 04-20-2010 4:54 PM

Kyles right.Gotta be insane. I have been in construction my whole life,albeit this is something slightly different. Still do the math. What can the materials cost? Then you get a real pro to put it together for you.Half,maybe even a quarter of that price. Unless someone wants it as memoribilia.

ralph 04-20-2010 5:11 PM

It depends what its made of, I priced a modular slider for our association made from HDPE cells which stacked inside each other for transport. It was expensive...

kyle_L 04-20-2010 5:34 PM

Luker, no i was referring to the width of the rail. It looks really wide.

ghettofab 04-20-2010 6:08 PM

the a-frame is made of stainless steel. it is floating and it is built correctly. some the obstacles you see at cables parks can be 50-60grand. A kicker alone can be around 10-20grand. The price of the plastic and steel is insane. then building it cost money most of the obstacles are designed in CAD and then built to spec.

stang_killa_ss 04-20-2010 6:23 PM

about they only thing believable in dirtys statement is that stainless is expensive.
on a side note, aluminum would be cheaper, lighter and rust proof like the stainless. this is what the proffesional rails ive seen are made of.

im sorry but a cable park charging $5-$30 cannot throw down on a 20-50k slider....

joe_crawley 04-20-2010 6:37 PM

"cheaper, lighter and rust proof like the stainless"

it'd be a heck of a lot cheaper. Less expensive too.

canadian_waterboy 04-20-2010 6:39 PM

LOL maybe there is a truck attached to it or something.... cause that is nuts. Who in their right mind has 12 grand for a rail?

wake77 04-20-2010 6:49 PM

That particular slider, has a rail made of solid platinum and it has a 24-karat gold anchor keeping it in place.

ghettofab 04-20-2010 7:34 PM

yes. i lie. he Nessy/box at owc has been said to be worth 50grand. Someone actually tried to steal it and load it up on a flat bed trailer one night. You guys have no idea how expensive the plastic is that they use for these rails.

And yes cable parks charging $30 dollars can throw down on a 20-50k slider. owc has done it. All the cable parks in germany are doing it. Any of the floating obstacles covered in plastic and made with stainless steel.

And your right they can be made of aluminum. Aluminum is also very expensive.... compared to wood or steel

HDPE (high-density polyethylene) top sheeting
HDPE side sheeting
Welded aluminum construction

kristian 04-20-2010 7:42 PM

Nessy Box at OWC was approaching $80K by the time it was all in. No idea why, not a builder, seems like a lot of money. Its not unusual to hear cable parks spending $30K on building/buying an obstacle. $12K on an already built rail will probably seems cheap in comparison. Plus it is a pretty fun A-frame, would go nicely in a cable park.

cwb4me 04-20-2010 7:49 PM

sounds like a bunch of haters. don't hate the player hate the "game"it takes green to play the "game"

mc_x15 04-21-2010 5:06 AM

You pay to play. If someone wants it bad enough 12gs isnt alot. For me on the other hand, def a lot of money.

andy_nintzel 04-21-2010 5:54 AM

The question I have is, is the PWT going to replace it or have a newly designed rail for the Tour this year? I never really like the A-Frame or the transfer box for that matter, wehn they add the Roof Top I was super stocked to see it!!!! Something that people can slide with style. The A-fram is not as bad as the Transfer box (which I have hit and is SUPER tough) but its all or nothing on that thing. Same thing over and over on it, 270 to back lip bonk, maybe the rider makes connection with 10 feet of rail.

Just my $.02

sidekicknicholas 04-21-2010 5:56 AM

^ thats what I was wondering... they had to have known people hated it on the PWT, its just a boring hit.

stang_killa_ss 04-21-2010 6:50 AM

im quiting my job and starting an new business tommorrow. whos in?

joe_crawley 04-21-2010 7:48 AM

you'd better have a fist full of cash up front for the liability insurance! I figure you've got

$500- HDPE 1' x 40' x 0.25"
$1600- 1.25" x 0.25"Wall 6061 400'
$1200- 12 hrs welding @ $100/hr
$2000- 40 hrs machining/fixturing @ $50/hr
$500- Lumber and paint
$1000- Liability insurance bill during the period you make this

Maybe you could build that rail on the cheap for this- a total of $6800. If you build it out of stainless it'll be more.

If you don't know what you are doing I would think it would cost double this, and if you had to design it up front and deal with problems, I could see $25,000 being a drop in the bucket torwards buidling this rail. So I don't doubt for a second nessie cost substantially more than this.

innov8 04-21-2010 8:57 AM

Not a bad price at all for that rail.

lseghatch 04-21-2010 9:31 AM

Aluminum is a little bit cheaper and lighter BUT you will need more aluminum for bracing as it is a weaker metal. Also I'm guessing they use SS for the builds not only for corrosion resistance but also weight. A slider or kicker made of aluminum will move substantially more than one built out of the heavier SS no matter how it's anchored.

steezyshots 04-21-2010 9:43 AM

Yeah rails cost a lot I am sure Nessy was up in the 50-60k mark at minimum!

stang_killa_ss 04-21-2010 11:49 AM

being an CAD engineer (and architect) and haveing designed and had manufactured many parts i have to politly disagree on a few items.

$500- HDPE 1' x 40' x 0.25" (would need to double check, but sounds good)
$1600- 1.25" x 0.25"Wall 6061 400' (would need to double check, but sounds good)
$1200- 12 hrs welding @ $100/hr (local TIG shops are charging $65, 10 hours should do that rail) $650
$2000- 40 hrs machining/fixturing @ $50/hr (machined parts is what i have the most experience with, absolutly no need for CNC parts on a rail, a welder, angle stock and bolts/screws could handle everything) $150
$500- Lumber and paint
$1000- Liability insurance bill during the period you make this (i have never paid a welding shop or machine shop insurance... assembly after completed frame would be done by myself.) $0


grand total i get is:
$3400
would need to add a bit for footings/securing/floatation.


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