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adamsilcio 04-13-2010 6:15 PM

anyone ever slow the boat down to learn new tricks?
i tried it for the first time the other day and learned a backside 180. i'm wondering if it's also good to learn inverts this way too. we slowed the boat down to about 18 mph. my friends said the falls are low impact and its a great way to build some good fundamentals on top of learning more advanced tricks. just want to know if anyone else has tried this before....

mofreestyle 04-13-2010 6:45 PM

Short rope sessions on wind blown days. We do 18-19mph with about a 50ft line. I've learned raleys, bat wings, spin variations, backroll, ts backroll, r2r. I would say it's a great learning tool. One thing I noticed is that trip flips don't work out very well. The wake almost swallows you and not much tripping action.

supratweaked 04-13-2010 6:56 PM

Short line and slow speed is a great way to work on foundation and new tricks without getting worked. During late Fall last year, I was doing three foundation sets to each regular wake set. I found that my riding improved and once I got over the initial soreness that my stamina improved too. Sometimes you need to step back to move forward.

Some inverts you need to just "go for it" wake to wake. TS FR is a good example. JMO


benjaminp 04-13-2010 8:40 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll the time. Thats how I learn pretty much everything. Just watch out because the wake can get a lot bigger at slower speeds. Didnt see it coming once and got absolutely wrecked on a backroll.

adamsilcio 04-13-2010 9:58 PM

well, i've put off learning the tantrum for so long because of a huge mental block. i can do ts fs 5, roll-to-revert, hs fs 3, scarecrow, krypt, and many other intermediate level tricks... but one of the most basic inverts--the tantrum--i still have not tried to learn. i figured doing it with slow speed and short line would be good and more forgiving, or is my assumption wrong? Mark(mofreestyle) relayed that trip flips don't work out very well when the boat is going slow....

sidekicknicholas 04-13-2010 10:04 PM

It helped me a lot learning off axis spins.... a lot less scary to cut in and huck yourself at 3/4 mph slower and shorter.

waterdork88 04-13-2010 11:44 PM

Everyone has different styles of learning.

kyle_L 04-14-2010 3:38 AM

It's definitely a great training tool. Bob Soven said that's how he learns most of his new scary tricks first. It's the wakeboarding version of a foam pit.

spearing 04-14-2010 7:28 AM

I never slowed or shorten the rope . I was riding before pylons and towers so i guess i learned a lot of tricks at the short length and slower speeds and the progression has been Faster and longer lines. i think i will try this shorter and slower for future tricks.

captain_vilfo 04-14-2010 8:47 AM

Thats how i learned all my 3's and bs 180's! Its a lot less frightening when your going 18mph and doing single wake tricks until your comfortable enough to take them wake to wake. It feels kinda stupid at first because your not getting a lot of air and only doing single wake but you forget all of that once you can go out and throw down those tricks you learned from shortening the rope! Just go out with one other person who your not worried about impressing and work on nailing that 3 or whatever else your working on.

mofreestyle 04-14-2010 9:37 AM

Let me clarify my statement...I watch a good friend of mine who has huge floaty tantrums try a couple and every time got stuck upside down and never make the rotation. It looked like with the slow speed the wake is really soft which looked like the board was getting swamped with water when trying to trip. I decided not to try any tantrums but did try some crows and it was a similar outcome. So I'm not saying it's not possible and the worst that can happen is a nice soft crash. I think even if you don't complete the tantrum you can get over the fear/mental block.

tuneman 04-14-2010 9:43 AM

We rarely slow down, but often bump the speed when learning new tricks. Especially spin tricks. Even just bumping makes the crashes less brutal. However, you need a skilled driver who's paying attention.

benjaminp 04-14-2010 9:48 AM

What is bumping speed?

slidin_out 04-14-2010 10:32 AM

absolutely!!! Last summer after getting better at nothing for a couple of months I got my buddy to start slowing the boat down to 18ish. Started out with surface 180's then one wake 180's and backside 180's both regular and switch. still haven't hit any of those w2w yet but this year the first half of every session will be slowed down to work on the fundamentals. No shame in going slower. Helps get that muscle memory engrained so when you take it full speed it's much easier than just huckin' it and murdering yourself on tricks.

wtrgrl 04-14-2010 10:37 AM

Yup, I always run slower at the beginning of the season. One of my buddies hassles me everytime but he also says he can see I'm improving alot faster

alanp 04-14-2010 6:31 PM

yeah i slowed the boat down to about 16 mph to learn all my spins bs 180, fs 3, bs 3, ts bs 180 and ts 540.

cjh1669 04-14-2010 7:09 PM

I think I'm going to try this. I typically wreck myself on trick attempts. What line length are youguys doing at 16-19?

rnopr8 04-14-2010 7:55 PM

I Always slow it down to learn new tricks. I think its suicidal not to!!!

David126 04-14-2010 8:04 PM

WHen yall shorten the rope what do you shorten it to vs what it normally is

Kolola_Bear 04-14-2010 8:57 PM

I dont know the technical def of bumping, but i believe its when you take off and the driver slows the boat down.

mofreestyle 04-14-2010 10:37 PM

Bumping as I know it is the driver pulls back on the throttle just a little bit as the person lands so that the rope tension doesn't pull them out of their landing. Slowing down when the person takes off of the wake could be bad because line tension is needed in almost every trick.

Chris and David-

When we slow down to around 18mph I have a rope has two lengths 45 ft and 50 ft.

romes 04-14-2010 10:45 PM

i try new tricks at the same speed and length i normally ride at. for me i hate having to learn it two times.....

wake77 04-15-2010 5:22 AM

I normally speed up. If I can land a trick skipping off the rooster tail, going 35 MPH, then I can land one at normal speed off the wake.

sexyws6mama 04-15-2010 8:19 AM

Normally we don't slow down but all we do is 180's right now. Maybe with more advanced tricks? We normally stay at 21.7 mph

benjaminp 04-15-2010 10:58 AM

Audrey, I think a lot of people ride at faster speeds normally (23-25mph), so 21 is closer to "slow" than "normal" for the majority.

MasonH 04-15-2010 6:26 PM

Is it just me or when you shorten up the rope, it is has ALOT more tension and harder to ride.

tuneman 04-16-2010 1:30 PM

Bumping is when you cut the speed a few mph just as the rider lifts off of the wake. That way, you still get the pop needed for the advanced tricks but you don't get yanked by excessive line tension.

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