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psudy 02-19-2010 12:03 PM

<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html" target="_blank">http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html</a> <BR> <BR>I am not sure why this isn't on the national news yet, but this crap makes my blood boil. Who do these people think they are!

sidekicknicholas 02-19-2010 12:16 PM

If I went to that school first thing I would have done with that computer, cover the webcam with tape... maybe thats against their code or something. <BR> <BR>10 to 1 says the kid got caught jackin it

psudy 02-19-2010 12:19 PM

Thats the other disturbing part. They are trying to discipline the kid for something he did at home!

wakeboardsam 02-19-2010 12:24 PM

This is common place in Europe, they have cameras everywhere including in your home. The authorities will come to your house and tell you that you are not raising your kids properly....

guido 02-19-2010 12:26 PM

Wow, talk about an invasion of privacy.

wakeboardsam 02-19-2010 12:33 PM

<a href="http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736" target="_blank">See...</a> <BR> <BR>But "they" are trying to put it into the works here in the US too... <BR> <BR>The original article has been deleted, but the google cache still works... <BR> <BR><a href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:grewpvXWZp0J:fortbendlp.org/modules.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3 D27+http://www.fortbendlp.org/modules.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3 D27&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" target="_blank">Houston eyes cameras at apartment complexes</a> <BR> <BR>Check out the quote in the article... <BR> <BR>"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" Chief Harold Hurtt told reporters Wednesday at a regular briefing. <BR> <BR>and <BR> <BR>Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association said that although some would consider cameras an invasion of privacy, "I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them." <BR> <BR>The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984; <BR>The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

snyder 02-19-2010 12:36 PM

i wondered when this story would hit WW. it's utterly inexcusable. but admittedly not surprising. as a parent, i'd have a hard time not going to jail over something like that. <BR>I would want their servers pulled and scanned for any other such "surveilance"

fatsac 02-19-2010 12:38 PM

That is not a stretch, Sam. Terrifying, imo. The chief's response is sickening. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by fatsac on February 19, 2010)

psudy 02-19-2010 12:44 PM

Thats a little different than having a camera snuck into your home. I can't see them getting away with putting them in apartments, but in the parking lots of high crime areas I really don't see the big deal.

wakeboardsam 02-19-2010 1:05 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>By Paul (psudy) on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 12:44 pm: <BR>Thats a little different than having a camera snuck into your home. I can't see them getting away with putting them in apartments, but in the parking lots of high crime areas I really don't see the big deal.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR>Yup, that's what they said in Europe too... <BR> <BR>and so it goes... <BR> <BR>Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. <BR> <BR>I carry a gun everyday, everywhere, because I can not carry a police officer... <BR> <BR> <BR>From my NEW favorite book Unintended Consequences by John Ross <BR> <BR><b>May 7,1973</b> <BR> <BR>"And so, Hobbes said that our lives are 'nasty, brutish, and short', and he used that as justification for the <BR>dictatorial powers of the monarch. Only by granting the State total power will we ever overcome our <BR>natural condition, which is to be perpetually at war with one another." The Political Science course the <BR>professor was teaching was listed in the course catalog with a dry-sounding title that no one remembered. <BR>Throughout the Amherst campus it was referred to as 'Right and Wrong'. Henry Bowman liked the class, <BR>mainly because the professor who taught it had a very sharp mind. <BR> <BR>"Hobbes is just talking about our old friend, the..." and with this, the lecturer gestured with his arm to show <BR>the class he wanted someone to finish the sentence for him. <BR> <BR>"Benevolent dictatorship," a Senior in the second row said quickly. <BR> <BR>"Exactly, Mr. Hagner. Hobbes' Leviathan is just one more scholarly justification for forfeiting your rights <BR>and allowing yourself to be subjugated by the State. Learned, reasoned, articulate, and wrong. Thomas <BR>Hobbes has merely—Mr. Bowman," the professor said suddenly, "you are shaking your head. That usually <BR>means you disagree with something that's been said. What is it?" <BR> <BR>"Professor Arkes, I don't disagree with the basic principle, but it's not enough just to say, Totalitarian <BR>regimes are wrong, so don't let the State enslave you'. That's like saying, 'Don't get sick'. The important <BR>question is, when do you know it's going to become enslavement? When is the proper time to resist with <BR>force?" <BR> <BR>"Please elaborate, Mr. Bowman." Henry took a deep breath. <BR> <BR>"The end result, which we want to avoid, is the concentration camp. The gulag. The gas chamber. The <BR>Spanish Inquisition. All of those things. If you are in a death camp, no one would fault you for resisting. <BR>But when you're being herded towards the gas chamber, naked and seventy pounds below your healthy <BR>weight, it's too late. You have no chance. On the other hand, no one would support you if you started an <BR>armed rebellion because the government posts speed limits on open roads and arrests people for speeding. <BR>So when was it not too late, but also not too early?" <BR> <BR>BTW, if anyone wants the book I have it on PDF...

psudy 02-19-2010 1:12 PM

I didn't read your first link on Europe. Thats F'd up. <BR> <BR>You do not, and never had, a right to privacy in public places.

misteve 02-19-2010 1:30 PM

I am NOT by any means condoning it, but in the first article it said the school issued the laptop to the students, meaning the school owns them. <BR> <BR>I'm thinking they must be thinking they can do this because although the students are at home the laptop is still property of the school? <BR> <BR>Either way it's effed...

psudy 02-19-2010 1:33 PM

I was thinking that too Steve. That maybe the kid got into trouble for what he was looking at on the laptop at home(porn or something), but it clearly states the Principal had a pic of the kid from the webcame, which means he was looking into his/her house.

psudy 02-19-2010 1:34 PM

webcam.

wakeboardsam 02-19-2010 1:41 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>By Paul (psudy) on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 1:12 pm: <BR>I didn't read your first link on Europe. Thats F'd up. <BR> <BR>You do not, and never had, a right to privacy in public places.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR>Actually, that's not always, true, but that is what "they" will tell you... <BR> <BR>See <BR> <BR>Katz v. United States, 389 US 347 - Supreme Court 1967 <BR> <BR>United States v. Chadwick, 433 US 1 - Supreme Court 1977 <BR> <BR>In a public place, if a legitimate expectation of privacy exists, then it is protected...

psudy 02-19-2010 1:51 PM

Sure, my point was what expectation of privacy would you have if you were walking down the street? I wouldn't have much.

wakeboardingdad 02-19-2010 6:41 PM

Uh oh. Looks like the kid will never have to worry about school again.... or working.

fly135 02-20-2010 6:10 AM

Why don't they throw the Principal in jail and charge him with being a sexual predator?

bigdtx 02-20-2010 6:18 AM

This is common place in Europe, they have cameras everywhere including in your home. The authorities will come to your house and tell you that you are not raising your kids properly.... <BR> <BR>LMFAO - one born every minute.

wakeboardsam 02-20-2010 8:25 AM

So Small D, <BR> <BR>Do you need more examples or what?


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