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pstar94 01-17-2010 4:19 PM

Anyone else think the way the new MCs look is annoying? I just went to chicago boat show the new MCs are so blinged out and shiny that it just looks bad. the dashes are all cluttered with chrome and idk. I guess I just like the simpler look of the old ones.

01-17-2010 4:37 PM

Mastercraft has been a little too much for me for a while now. Too much bling and wanna be look to em. Everybody who has a newer mastercraft around here rides a tube better than a wakeboard. Don't get me wrong it's a great boat, just a too much going on for my liking. <BR> <BR>An older X-Star/205V I would be all over. After around 2004 they started going downhill IMO.

pstar94 01-17-2010 4:39 PM

yeah for sure. the more classic simpler look of the nautique 200 or 216 look way nicer IMO

duckguy 01-17-2010 6:18 PM

Opinions are like *$$holes, everyone has em. I think the current market share numbers tell the story.

01-17-2010 6:57 PM

Matt...what are the current market share numbers?

tntige 01-17-2010 9:22 PM

Matt I agree w/ you about opinions but not about current market share numbers. MC had to buy back so many boats lately from Dealers that those numbers don't tell the real story. For the record I am not hating on MC, I think the new X25 is pretty cool.

mhunter 01-17-2010 9:27 PM

They have to add a lot of bling to try and justify the price tag. MC is focused on high income buyers not hard core wake boarders. They are beautiful boats but too rich for my blood.

joe_crawley 01-17-2010 10:41 PM

Michael- yea, as far as "core" wake riders are concerned, that Xstar sucks. And the 205V blows too, just trying to pad their wallets by keeping a mold around for a few extra years. <BR> <BR>They definitely don't care about wake riders, just rich buyers. Good thing I'm so rich <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

brett564 01-18-2010 5:11 AM

To post or not to post...

dh03r6 01-18-2010 8:49 AM

I would take one if i could afford it.

wakemikey 01-18-2010 8:57 AM

You can use gold bars for ballast too

woreout 01-18-2010 9:26 AM

Buying back boats has nothing to do with market share numbers. What would adjust the numbers is all the other brands that were not bought back by Mfg and ended up at auctions all over the Country selling for thousands less than invoice. At least MC helped their dealers out by buying the boats back for cost and not forcing them to saturate the market with boats thousands less than the dealers paid for them. <BR>And BTW I like all the Billet in the boats. Its better than the plastic or cheap chrome, that comes with other brands.

woreout 01-18-2010 9:48 AM

Maybe this is a simpler, less blingafied option. <BR>This is so you can drive your boat with the tower down and its not resting on the steering wheel when you go under a low bridge. Nice <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/769538.jpg" alt="Upload">

cjh1669 01-18-2010 9:54 AM

I like that, I hate my tower resting on the dash. Right now I have a floded towel inbetween, to keep it from putting too much pressure there

01-18-2010 10:50 AM

it's nothing new, it's been MCs direction since the birth of the X Star. Based on the majority of X-Star owners in our area it looks like MCs target market are the guys from Jersey Shore. They make a very good boat, no debate there I just like to be associated with wakeboarding when Im on the water, not techno music, lifting weights and the tanning salon...

jeff_mn 01-18-2010 11:04 AM

^^ <BR> <BR>hater <BR> <BR>jerseyshorelookingcrew, signing in

tre 01-18-2010 11:27 AM

Billy, Mastercraft did not buy back boats from bankrupt dealers out of the goodness of their hearts. The companies (Textron and GE) who provide floor financing for dealer inventory require the manufacturer to repurchase unsold new boat inventory from bankrupt dealers (because GE and Textron don't want to be stuck with it). This applies to ALL manufacturers. <BR> <BR>The amazing deals you saw were due to Textron getting out of the floor financing business - not cheap boats going at auction. Textron was working with dealers to get rid of inventory by letting boats go really cheap and therefore getting the boats off the Textron balance sheet. This was the source of the cheap boats and this was the source of "dealer help". There were plenty of cheap Mastercrafts on the market (just like all inboard manufacturers). <BR> <BR>I am all for giving gold stars when somebody deserves one but lets not give them out for abiding by a contractual obligation. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by tre on January 18, 2010) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by tre on January 18, 2010)

brett564 01-18-2010 11:38 AM

Jersey Shore! That was just wrong.

woreout 01-18-2010 2:01 PM

MC bought the boats back and then sold them back to dealers at a discount. They did that so they wouldnt end up at auctions like so many other brands did. Yes a few made it to the auction but not nearly as much as other mfgs. <BR>They did it more for to keep the values up and to give their existing dealers a fighting chance.

tre 01-18-2010 2:18 PM

Every inboard boat manufacturer sold repo boats to dealers at a discount because they were forced to buy them back and could not afford to keep them. The majority of the big discounts were from Textron and those discounts were on every brand of boat sold. Mastercraft nor any other manufacturer had the ability to stop the steep Textron discounts. Textron had to get rid of every boat at every dealer because they had to get out of the floor finance business. Mastercraft did not escape that any better then any other Manufacturer. Mastercraft did nothing different then any other manufacturer in the industry. You are looking through your rose color Mastercraft owner glasses. <BR> <BR>As I already said, every inboard manufacturer was forced to buy their boats back from failed dealers. This is in the floor finance contract. Mastercraft did not do this to "keep values up". They did it bacause they had to. Every other manufacturer did this too. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by tre on January 18, 2010)

trdon 01-18-2010 2:29 PM

The local Nautique dealer had a binder full of previous model and older new owned by correct craft boats for rediculous prices at the boat show last year. The were trying to off manufacturer owned inventory too. I am sure CC and MC were not the only ones who did that too.

mhunter 01-18-2010 3:38 PM

Gangstar Joe <BR> <BR>Don't get your panties in a bunch. I never said MC sucks or blows. When I was looking in 08 MC showed me an 110k Xstar and a 93K X15 as I said Too rich for my blood. The topper was when I checked 1-3 year old MCs. Taking a 20k hit in the first year. If you like your XStar I am very happy for you. As for me I am more than pleased with my Super Air and didn't have to spend no where near the MC price.

cbk 01-18-2010 9:33 PM

Billy...come on man. You really drank the Kool-Aid didn't you? I can tell you that every manufacture buys boats back if the dealer closes or stops paying their floor plan curtailment. MC did no favors, it's an agreement just like every other manufacture has with dealers who floorplan. All of them bought boats back and offered them to dealers at a discounted price ( I bought several from two different manufactures, of which I am a dealer for both ).

nautiquesonly 01-19-2010 5:35 AM

The local MC dealer here is has been very successful over the years. He sells his boats at a better price and moves inventory. This year has been different. They are not bankrupt and they sent five 08-09 models back to MC. They had to do this to have floor plan room for 2010. If MC hadn't bought them back there would be no 2010's here. I believe Texas MC bought the 09's at a HUGE discount.

02wakesettervlx 01-19-2010 6:22 AM

I don't know anyone who paid anywhere near 110K for an X Star. Maybe that Ryan kid with the barbwire X Star, but noone else. <BR> <BR>Some of us that own X Stars do a lot more than pull tubes too.

mhunter 01-19-2010 7:12 AM

The list price was 110k I don't know what or if it sold for. The 08 X15 I was going to buy ended <BR>up at 80k with standard trailer out the door after all discounts. My local MC dealer has 08-09 inventory in stock no 2010s. MC is my second favorite boat but unless they get competitive with price I will never own one. I also do a lot more than pull tubes but that'so fun too sometimes.

talltigeguy 01-19-2010 10:04 AM

It is absolutely true that MC is looking for rich buyers. Anyone remember when John Dorton (MC CEO) said that the average MC buyer pulls down 250 grand a year? This site is far from representative of the average buyer. <BR> <BR>MC would have been too rich for my blood if it weren't for the economic downturn. All boat manufacturers have gone up so much that I don't think I will buy another new inboard in my lifetime.

stevo8290 01-19-2010 10:32 AM

so much hate so little time

tonyv420 01-19-2010 11:09 AM

all the dealerships that closed this last year flooded the westcoast mkt with their inventory and made it harder for the dealers still operating to sell their inventory.don't buy these boats, they have been sitting outside for a couple years.

wake1823 01-19-2010 11:37 AM

The westcoast market can be considered a big driver in all this...they represented a large percentage of the people pulling equity out of their overinflated homes to buy boats. Not to mention, the west coast is proabbly still the biggest market for inboard wakeboard boats.

michridr69 01-19-2010 11:42 AM

i dont know about you guys, have you checked out the new MC 300. that boat is insane, i think that MC is going in the right direction, but thats just me.

woreout 01-19-2010 1:11 PM

The auction here was loaded with New Malibus from out west and they were being sold by GE not Malibu the MFG. They were boats that were NOT bought back by the MFG.

tonyv420 01-19-2010 2:55 PM

theres a reason why the manufacturers didn't buy them back...............

behindtheboat 01-19-2010 3:35 PM

This is disappointing about MC <BR> <BR> <a href="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/769641.html?1263939733" target="_blank">http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/769641.html?1263939733</a>

highrock 01-19-2010 3:45 PM

Wow, I always wondered about that cash back rewards deal MC had. Some things are good to be true. Good Luck MC owners who wanted that. I hope you didnt pay more than you should have just to bank on that later.

jackeh 01-19-2010 5:08 PM

just wondering why almost 90% of threads on here are just about people who hate other people or other stuff? wakeworld? hateworld. just sayin.

mhunter 01-19-2010 6:01 PM

Jack H <BR>I cant follow where you are getting Hate out of this topic. Can you be more specific?

cjh1669 01-19-2010 6:46 PM

Jack people have opinions and this a forum, so obviously people are going to voice their opinions here, be they good or bad. Would want to hear about products on this site if you knew everyone was drinking the koolaid? Some people like MC and some have had poor experiences with them. I think it's nice to see multiple points of view, and it's helped me pick out some of the products I currently use.

duckguy 01-19-2010 7:11 PM

I love my MC!!

dougr 01-19-2010 7:18 PM

related to 09 boats. these boats(no matter who's they are) need to move asap. the faster the market can sell leftovers the better the used market will be, the more opportunity for dealers to make profit and the more stable the 2010 market will be. The seasons are different all over the country, and in the north, you have a small amount of time to sell boats. its hard to see deals soo cheap even cheaper than boats 2 or 3 years old, but having dealers sit on old stock and dealers not buying new 2010's hurts all sides of the industry. imo

guido 01-19-2010 7:42 PM

I'm with Matt..... I love our MC. <BR> <BR>There are a lot of great boats out there. Pick the one that suits you. For me, the wake, size and looks of a X-star are second to none.

pstar94 01-19-2010 7:48 PM

jack i actually i have a '92 prostar and absolutely love it. im just sayin i dont particularly like the style of the new ones or almost all the new boats of any manufacturer.

themxercr85 01-19-2010 8:19 PM

We had an x-star and loved the wake it produced but hated the customer service and the build quality. But majority of wakeboats are slapped together anyways, they vary but not by much in build quality. <BR> <BR>We got rid of our x-star, it coulda' been a lemon, who knows. But we love our epic, its everything our x-star never was. Its just Different strokes for different folks

consigliereg8r 01-19-2010 8:35 PM

I think this thread started with a guy complaining about the bling on the new x-star. He didn't say it was a bad boat or anything. I have a SAN but like the x-star. I was able to pull a better deal with the CC guy than the MC guy. <BR> <BR>A pro-rider at our lake has a MC and it has really cool wake and the wake is different than my SAN. Of course his boat is sacked out to the max. <BR> <BR>Sometimes it seems people get a little touchy. I used to live in SoFla and I am familiar with the bling wannabe's. Having a little show to help sales doesn't effect the quality of the boats. <BR> <BR>Around here there are basically three boats to select from--MC-CC and Moomba. The first two seem to be in a different league than the Moomba. That being said I almost bought a new Moomba for what I paid for my used SAN. If I had it to do over again it would depend on what was available at the dealer and I would not be hesitant to buy the boat I got the best deal on. For what it is worth, my wife liked the seating config on the 220 that I bought. <BR> <BR>Nobody in my family is a good enough wakeboarder to claim any boat is better at what we are able to do. Our SAN is high quality, comfortable, and good enough for some of the sponsored riders to want pulls. I think it comes down to whatever floats your boat...

tre 01-20-2010 12:11 PM

Billy (woreout). Somebody in another thred said you are a Mastercraft dealer. Is this true?

woreout 01-20-2010 1:52 PM

Not this Billy, I have owned a few MCs though. The dealer here has a Billy thats one of the owners and I am good friends with Zane, I think thats where people get confused. Just a loyal fan. MC has always been good to me and I just hate when people bash them for stupid reasons, like "Too Much Bling". Give me a break!

timmy 01-20-2010 2:01 PM

haha funny

sidekicknicholas 01-20-2010 2:02 PM

woreout and dealer Billy are different, I've met them both, at the same time... so I know its not just 1 guy pulling switch-a-roos

timmy 01-20-2010 2:06 PM

thats funny too

sidekicknicholas 01-20-2010 2:12 PM

back to the point... my first run-in with a MC wakeboard specific boat, I was let down... <BR> <BR>Since then I've come to realize they are awesome. <BR>Had I $$$ to spend on a new boat it would be a coin toss between Epic - SAN 230 - X-Star <BR>They're all great great boats and its different strokes for different folks. <BR> <BR>I would buy an epic 100% based on wake. <BR>I would buy NAutique based on our current boat and how great it has been <BR>I would buy and MC because of other people's MCs that have wowwed me <BR> <BR>an X-star with 3k+ in ballast is worth every penny

andrewjet 01-20-2010 2:13 PM

Blinging never looks stupid. lol<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/769912.jpg" alt="Upload">

jackeh 01-20-2010 3:10 PM

i just think a lot of people on here are always talking about what they dont like. what do you people like? <BR> <BR>dont get me wrong i love wakeworld but i feel like there are more productive things we can talk about then if MC has too much bling. haha

ixfe 01-20-2010 3:36 PM

<i>what do you people like?</i> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I like sunsets <BR> <BR>I like walks on the beach <BR> <BR>I like puppies <BR> <BR>and... <BR> <BR>I'd like a loaded 2010 X-Star for $25K <BR> <BR>Welcome to Wakeworld!

dougr 01-20-2010 7:08 PM

jackeh, your probably right, i guess its because we all are so involved with the industry and sport that we want to see it progress in a positive way. wakeboats are such a small market and if you look at boarding across the boating industry its becoming a negative hobby instead of positive, now thats what i hear and see at the lake from other boater etc etc.. i think we need a more progressive ideal from boat buyers to see value in 60 to 100k boats to keep growing the sport and hobby, but when the product starts to ween out the purchaser, it becomes frustrating to the few that spend that kind of $$ on a boat that is bling bling. its like buying clothing for a 60 year old that fits the main stream of a 16 year old. thats how i see MC. they make great products, but they limit there market and keep guys like me from buying there boats

ixfe 01-20-2010 10:44 PM

^^^ Doug, it's hard to argue that MC limits their market. Afterall, they are one of the Big 3. They sell as many inboards as anybody else. So they must be doing something right. <BR> <BR>Clearly, not everybody buys MC, and there are many reasons. I would argue that price more than "bling" is why people don't buy MC. IF MC was priced in the low-$50's instead of the high-$70's they'd move a lot more units. You might even have one yourself. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

curtisco24 01-21-2010 7:40 AM

mc no longer sells alot of boats. They send their dealers alot of boats but that doesnt mean they are sold. They still have 08 models left. In a nutshell, John Dorton and the powers that be have taken a great brand and milked it for all its worth. Now their boats are overpriced and built quality and customer service basically sucks. Don't get me wrong, their boats look great, but any newer model I have been around has been a heap. I think that goes back to building too many boats too fast. Boats that they couldnt sell in the first place. Thats what almost forced them into bankruptcy this past year. I would like to see them do a total 180 and get back to building fewer boats and much higher quality, and get real about their pricing. Its been a great brand for a longtime, but if they don't change their current attitude, I don't look for them to be around much longer.

joe_crawley 01-21-2010 9:46 AM

"building fewer boats and much higher quality, and get real about their pricing" <BR> <BR>So you want them to: <BR> <BR>Make fewer boats <BR>Spend more labor on those boats <BR>Charge less for those boats <BR> <BR>Sounds like a great business plan! Drop your revenue by selling fewer boats at lower cost and increase your operating costs at the same time. I'm shocked you haven't replaced John Dorton yet!

curtisco24 01-21-2010 10:12 AM

Hmm fewer boats means fewer employees there genius. Therefore cutting cost. Its sad but malibu mastercraft and supra got too big and couldnt sustain it. Malibu and Supra cut production big time. That is choice #1. Choice #2 seems to be Mc choice. You could continue to charge outrageous amounts for your boats. When dealers dont sell them dealer goes out of business. You get them back sell them to another dealer who goes out of business. All of this bc they cant make the interest payments on the large number of high priced boats you are selling aka "dumping" in the dealers laps. Gangstar, do you even realize that mc went a long time this fall and winter without even building a single boat? That would mean you already have too many built and don't have the dealer network to move them.

curtisco24 01-21-2010 10:14 AM

Im not saying I dont like MC. I would take an old one any day of the week. They are great boats. It is the new ones and the new MC attitudes I have no interest in. But hey if thats what you like more power to you.

ixfe 01-21-2010 10:18 AM

gangster - you just made my point about WW. Remember when I said (tongue in cheek) that I want a 2010 X-Star for $25K. Did I mention that I also want much higher quality too? <BR> <BR>It's amazing some of the logic on here.

ixfe 01-21-2010 10:49 AM

matt c - there are few flaws in your logic. <BR> <BR>#1 <b>"mc no longer sells a lot of boats"</b> Everybody is selling fewer boats today than a few years back. It's a result of the economic meltdown and directly tied to real estate. Lots of people were buying boats with home equity. That source of funding is gone, which has locked a lot of consumers out of the market. MC is no different than any other boat manufacturer. Unless you are arguing they have lost market share. If you are going to claim that, please show data. I don't think you have data. You are guessing. <BR> <BR>#2 <b>"They still have '08 models left"</b> So does everybody else. Before I bought my MB less than 12 months ago, I almost purchased a brand new, leftover '07 Malibu VTX for $42K (crazy low price for that boat). That particular dealer had 10 leftover VTX's for me to choose from in all colors. The leftovers are out there even today... all manufacturers. Your mileage may vary depending on your local dealer, but if you shop across state lines, you will find them. All the boat builders were caught by surprise when the market crashed. They have adjusted and the leftover bubble will pass. <BR> <BR>#3 <b>"Now their boats are overpriced"</b> I just got back from the Portland Boat Show. The new X-25 was $75K, the X-45 and X-Star were $79K. In comparison the Malibu VLX was $75K and the 23 LSV was $78K. Nautique wasn't there, but I know their boats are priced in the same ballpark. These were not MSPR, rather "boat show prices" on well equipped boats. I'm sure you could talk them down a bit from there. But the bottom line is that if you want a well equipped Big 3 boat you will pay at least $70K (unless you get a leftover). Still think MC is overpriced? Seems to me that are all the same. Can you spend $100K on an X-star? Sure, if you custom order it, put everything in it, and forget to negotiate. Likewise, I have seen 23 LSV's get to $100k as well. Those are outliers. Don't use outliers to make your case. <BR> <BR>I am not a MC apologist. I don't own one and I don't think they are better than any of the others. I guess I just don't understand some of the "logic" I see on this thread. <BR> <BR>Rather than be "disappointed in MC" over bling or price, why not be disappointing in them over Cash Rewards? If there is one thing they've done wrong, it's that.

woreout 01-21-2010 11:05 AM

matt c says "Now their boats are overpriced and built quality and customer service basically sucks. Don't get me wrong, their boats look great, but any newer model I have been around has been a heap." <BR> <BR>Explain how they have changed, not your guess, or a friend of a friend told you, but specifically how they have changed. <BR> <BR>mattc, maybe you should check your facts and see who has sold the most boats this year (09), sold to customers not to dealers. I would like to know since you seem to have the "inside scoop".

jackeh 01-21-2010 11:08 AM

how are we going to help save these company's from going out of business? i feel that's a more appropriate question.

cjh1669 01-21-2010 11:12 AM

You can't save them, they have to save themselves. Free market, the ones who figure it out survive and offer better products, those that don't go away.

curtisco24 01-21-2010 11:42 AM

Billy Billy so quick to defend. You know what was great about the picture you put up of the malibu tower in the other thread? It shows that the illusion will fold within the windshield and can be towed like that by simply pulling two pins. MC's tower, no pins required itll collapse for ya all on its own no pins needed. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0> DBC you make valid points. The other manufactures are closing in on the Mastercraft price. However in my area, the southeast, MCs are still much higher than anything else. As for customer service, cash rewards is the perfect example of the new MC. For them to say they are not associated with it is just stupid. I remember seeing boat show signs a few years back advertising on MC banners cash rewards. Heck they had cash back figured into their boat show prices. Billy, if I had known somebody would have actually took that deal I would have taken a picture so as to explain to you what you already know but won't admit. They have changed in a mighty big way from years past.

stephan 01-21-2010 12:21 PM

I think it's safe to say that Mastercraft does NOT like puppies, baseball, sunsets or their mothers. Word is they, not opium, actually fund the Taliban. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/triangle_down.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Wow, talking ish can be fun! Spring time hurry up, WW is getting too predictable...

ponyh8r 01-21-2010 12:31 PM

Matt C, <BR> <BR>So in the past few years they have changed? So an 04/05ish X-star is built different than a 2010 X-star? I would bet they are built damn near identical. With that logic, then wouldn't all their boats be built in similar fashion just using different molds? As far as i can tell MC has continuously used better vinyl and hardware over the last five years. Somethings you say don't add up to me. I just can't see what has changed. <BR> <BR>I do own a MC currently, but have owned a 06 210 and an 05 Tige 22I. All great boats. My MC was on par in all areas and better in many.

talltigeguy 01-21-2010 1:34 PM

DBC, I think your prices you quoted are just about right for an MC and are on par with the others, including Tige as well. Supra is not far behind at all. A little over a year ago, I was shopping the Supra 24 SSV and it was high 60's reasonably equipped. <BR> <BR>But I don't think most people see those prices. I would bet the X45 was initially quoted at 90K+, then a guy thinks he got a smoking deal at 78K. I am not sure that some guys are able to get that deal.

curtisco24 01-21-2010 1:35 PM

Mike, <BR>Nope but they both are built different than say an 85 stars and stripes, which of course is where they made their name.But you do bring up a good point on the same boats. 2000 205v new cost 25-32k depending on what you get. 2009 x1 54k? Thats the same boat plus a tower, two bags and a pump! There is the crazy pricing. As for attitude, see cash rewards.

woreout 01-21-2010 2:00 PM

matt c you think that MC should be the same price 10 years later? A 2000 and a new one are the same hull but different in everything else. <BR> <BR>Some examples of changes in the last 10 years... <BR>Engines that produce more hp plus have cats on them which = more $$ <BR>hard tanks instead of bags = more $$, better tower with rotating board racks = more $$, better interior = more $$ and those are just a few things. Not to mention labor rates are more, cost of goods are more etc. matt c you really have no idea what your talking about. <BR>Hell this thread is about too much Bling which is more $$. <BR> <BR>And as far as the Bu tower folding, great idea to have that bouncing on your steering wheel while going down the road not to mention you cant drive it through a canal with a low bridge. A propped up 2x4 is the fix??? Hell even the 2x4s have gone up in price in the last 10 years.

ponyh8r 01-21-2010 2:01 PM

Matt, <BR> <BR>I see your point but inflation and demand would account for the difference in the price of the X1. Plus, although you say they are the same boat that is not really the case. The hull is the same. Literally everything in the X1 is different. Newer gauges, Perfect Pass, Seats, vinyl, etc, etc. I understand where MC made there name in skiing, but they also made a name in Wakeboarding. I'm just saying that the quality is there. I can't see where it has possibly gotten worse...i can see where improvements have been made though. <BR> <BR>As for customer service...well, that is subjective. As for rewards....i would be pissed if i took it. I'm not sure what MC can do about it though. I wouldn't count on them shelling out the money to cover the difference....what choice do they have but to point the finger at the rewards company.

woreout 01-21-2010 2:09 PM

And matt c dont change the subject to Cash Rewards we know that was a failure. I want to know about the Build Quality you speak of.

sidekicknicholas 01-21-2010 2:11 PM

I'm calling some B.S. on a 2000 205v being only 25/32k NEW. <BR> <BR>I see them selling now for in the mid 20's... and I don't care what you have boats lose value, and they lose it fast. <BR> <BR>Here is one (overpriced) but is in the 30's... You're telling me this guy bought the boat, added a tower and is selling it for what he paid 10 years later.... right. <BR><a href="http://www.boatclassifieds.us/10003/2000-MasterCraft-205V.html" target="_blank">http://www.boatclassifieds.us/10003/2000-MasterCraft-205V.html</a>

cjh1669 01-21-2010 2:46 PM

Actually some of th older models gained some value along with the dramatic price increases in the industry. There wasn't one wakeboard boat close to the infalted prices of today in 2000.

ixfe 01-21-2010 2:53 PM

<b><i>DBC, I think your prices you quoted are just about right for an MC and are on par with the others, including Tige as well. Supra is not far behind at all. A little over a year ago, I was shopping the Supra 24 SSV and it was high 60's reasonably equipped. <BR> <BR>But I don't think most people see those prices. I would bet the X45 was initially quoted at 90K+, then a guy thinks he got a smoking deal at 78K. I am not sure that some guys are able to get that deal.</i></b> <BR> <BR>What do you mean "most people don't see those prices..." Anybody who walked into MC's booth at the PDX show saw that price w/out asking. It was posted in plain view on the boat. $79K for a very nicely equipped X-45. I did not negotiate on the boat; I'm not even in the market... just a looky loo. Likewise the X-Star was $79K; the X-25 was $75K. I am guessing that a real customer could have talked them down $5K or so. <BR> <BR>These boats were loaded with four tower speakers, subs, amps, dual batteries, dash screen, integrated video camera, etc. <BR> <BR>I remember being surprised that the X-45 was only $5K more than the X-25... it's so much bigger! This is just how MC prices their boats to the dealer (now I'm speaking invoice). There is not a wide range in their pricing from model to model. I bet the invoice gap between an X-2 to an X-55 is only $10k - $15k (yeah, I'm speculating). <BR> <BR>MSRP is a worthless number that isn't even worth quoting. The boat show prices alone show how disconnected MSRP is from reality. Why do we keep using it to make pricing arguments are say MC is overpriced? NOBODY PAYS MSRP! <BR> <BR>Your point about other boats (non-big 3) creeping up in price is valid. I was SHOCKED when I saw a Moomba XLV "boat show price" of $58K. Sorry, a Moomba should NEVER cost over $50K, EVER! ANY MODEL! And that's not a knock on Moomba. It's me being scared that even the price-point leader has let their boats get so expensive. What does that mean for our sport?

cjh1669 01-21-2010 3:49 PM

It means that there will be room for others to come in and make a killing. There is a point where companies price themselves out of their market, and I think that's what's happened here. The demand is way down, and the ability to buy is limited due to the economy. The sport will survive, but odds are new faces will rise over the next decade and help make the market more realistic.

curtisco24 01-21-2010 4:40 PM

Billy interior is the same minus pattern change tower is different but basically same cost. Motor is the same unless you get the mcx. Rtp is the exact same. Sell you crap to someone else. What fires u up is that u know I know what I am talking about. You wanna talk labor? 06 x1 39k plus tax. I know I bought one with extras for that and coulda bought a plain one for 35k in 06. I guess in three years they gave some big raises. 18k per boat? Wow! Towers? You might do good to get that MC tower under the interstate overpass. That is if you have half a day to disassemble it and all its braces. Putting it in a garage? Highly unlikely. Also, Ill take a 2x4 to protect the dash in transport over southern engineered braces to keep someone from getting their head knocked while riding all day. The crazy thing is you can leave a malibu tower up if you wish. Look dude I don't know what you association with MC is and I don't really care. If you like them thats cool. You don't have to tell everybody they are wrong when they mention things that are not what you want to hear. I think they do things like that on the Mastercraft board. I mean thats why they make different colored trucks right?

stevo8290 01-21-2010 5:08 PM

do you guys think bmw is getting tooooo much bling now a days too???? I cant afford one but I love driving cars, I'm really disappointed in them....<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0>

rio_sanger 01-21-2010 5:30 PM

By Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas) on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 1:11 pm: <BR> <BR>"I'm calling some B.S. on a 2000 205v being only 25/32k NEW." <BR> <BR> Nick, you might be surprised. <BR>Yes, 25k is probably a bit low, but In 1999 I had it down to three boats, MC 205v, CC supersport, and Sanger V-210, all comparable boats of the time, and all were in the low to mid 30s!

joe_crawley 01-21-2010 7:21 PM

Just so you know, assuming 3% inflation, a $30k boat in 1999 is pretty much a $43k boat today. <BR> <BR>That's assuming they are selling the exact same boat (which they aren't, the new ones are much more nicely finished. I grew up riding a 99 205v and I own a 06 205v, it's no comparison, the tower and racks are best in the business, no braces needed). <BR> <BR>So they haven't really increased the real price of their boats in over a decade, and when you figure what you are getting, the prices have dropped. They just happen to have started making some outrageously expensive big boats and that is skewing the persepective of some of this forums slow learners. As long as you can buy a 205V for under $50k of todays dollars I think we should all be very thankful MC hasn't gone the way of CC and retired an all-time great.


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