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epicx 11-09-2009 7:03 AM

I know this has been done a thousand times before, but I would like to hear some pros and cons on these two boats. Both are pretty comparable boats as far as options. The X-star is a little more in price, but I am told that is to be expected. I need this boat to last a while so which would be the better for the long haul.

wake77 11-09-2009 2:45 PM

If money is not an issue, my opinion is the X-star. (I like both boats and I am not biased towards MC, just because I own one). My recommendation is to drive both and go with the one that YOU like best. Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one.

bill_airjunky 11-09-2009 2:56 PM

The tower..... one sucks, the other doesn't.

johnsvt 11-09-2009 3:28 PM

What are you using the boat for? <BR> <BR>Xstar is a better "core" wakeboat, VLX is a little more versatile.

brett564 11-10-2009 3:02 PM

Bill K = Funny post. I had to look at your profile to figure out which way you swung! <BR> <BR>The VLX has more interior sitting room. That was a big factor for me with the family + friends issue. I took a measuring tape and measured the interior of both boats at an 07 boat show.

hbguy 11-13-2009 9:28 PM

Here are my thoughts -- I have a 05 VLX. If I could find someone to pay me at least 38k for it, I would but that 06 Xstar in the classifieds for 46k.

tampawake 11-14-2009 6:43 AM

Jim you really need to think about what your doing the most. If your hard core wake boarding then x star. If not the vlx is going to be in the running. X star drinks gas average surf wAke and not as big on the inside. However the best wake since it was built. I think the new 230 is giving it a good run. Demo and really think about your main use.

fullspeed 11-16-2009 9:24 PM

Get in a MC and then get in a Malibu. I did and hands down I went with the Malibu twice. My next will probably be a Malibu. I am not a young buck (38), but I was not impressed with MC nor have I ever been. I have never been in one and said to myself this is a great boat. The wake is smaller stock them my VLX stock and I there is smaller sitting room unless you like being in the front. I don't really know anyone over 15 that love to hang out in the bow. They do look cool and if you have the extra gas money to push a slammed X star through the water cause you need to weight it down then that is the boat for you. <BR> <BR>Jim tell us what you ended up with.

joe_crawley 11-17-2009 1:22 AM

If the wake is what you are after the x star is your boat no doubt. <BR> <BR>search the forums and you'll see what you need, this has been debated to death

jhilltn 11-17-2009 8:05 AM

malibu- drives better, more room, easier to get a good wake. <BR> <BR>x-star- better wake sacked out, more room in bow, it's an xstar. <BR> <BR>both are going to hold value better than most boats and both look good. i would consider which dealer you would rather deal with because they are both going to mess up. <BR> <BR>and don't just drive them but test the wake how you would normally ride behind it. especially on the vlx. i've been in two 06 vlxs that were supposedly the same, only difference was the color and one had a titan tower the other had the illusion. one had an awesome wake the other had a small wake.

polarbill 11-17-2009 9:12 AM

People are going to get their panties in a bunch but in my opinion the the Xstar is a better built boat than the VLX. This holds true over the whole lines. Malibus are very nice, well built boats but with the owner must be pretty anal to keep the boat in great shape. Mastercraft's can be beat on a little more and still stay in nice shape. I like the one piece liner a lot. Snap out carpet is one of the best features wakeboats have started using in the last few years. Although small the windshield is way sturdier and the mastercraft than the Malibu. They use sturdier hinges for the walkthrough, solid stainless steel stanchions and the windshield is just overall more solid. <BR> <BR>All that being said the VLX is still a boat that I would very strongly consider. For same years and options it should be cheaper than an Xstar, it is more versatile and is all around a very nice boat. The Illusion tower on the Malibu's are a very sturdy and simple tower. The only downfall is they are not that tall. <BR> <BR>Like others have said the Xstar is a great choice if you are going to be wakeboarding loaded down most of the time. The Star doesn't surf as well, most don't have a ski pylon and don't ski as well. Tough choice but go check them out and see which one you like better.

andrewjet 11-17-2009 9:50 AM

I have ridden behind both boats. The Mali is built SO WELL, interior, design, function are great and we all know a great wake. I just rode behind the 07' X-Star..nice, the wake VERY nice, I was impressed with wake shape. the interior..not great! design and room..GREAT! Exhaust noise level..UNBEARABLE!! I thought I was at the track. Couldn't talk or think. GO with the BU

bill_airjunky 11-17-2009 9:57 AM

Brett Yates (polarbill) : <i>The Illusion tower on the Malibu's are a very sturdy and simple tower.</i> <BR> <BR>Not so much. Ask any dealer how many pins &amp; bushing they replace on Illusion towers. Try stacking them with 4 speakers, 4 boards &amp; a pair of foils. Not only will it not happen, but it wouldn't be safe if you could. <BR> <BR>Won't happen with MC's tower either. The strongest &amp; most versatile option out there is still the Titan. <BR> <BR>I've owned both. And MCs quality control has gone down a bit IMO. While Malibu has stepped it up in the last few years.

mckid 12-13-2009 7:59 PM

x star

loudontn 12-14-2009 5:20 AM

j hill: providing sensibility in a nonsensical world. We need to ride this coming summer!

unclejessie 12-14-2009 2:27 PM

"Mastercraft's can be beat on a little more and still stay in nice shape" . <BR> <BR>This is not necessarily true... or maybe it is depending on your expectation. Xstars with a few years on them with develope two things. First, the front seats will tear at the junction of the vertical cushion and the horizontal cushion. This seat is not designed well. That interface always sees alot of stress and will eventually fail within 3 to 5 years. Second is the vinyl wrapping around the throttle area. I have seen this fail on almost every X star or X-1 I have been in. It is a recall item I think but from i was told, service simply says it will come "un-done" again. <BR> <BR>I love the Xstar and the VLX, but I would be embarrased spending 60K for a boat that has tears in the vinyl after jusrt a few years. <BR> <BR>I don't want to be Mr. Negative... but I don't think blanket statements like the made are even close to being true... <BR> <BR>-Uj

bmartin 12-14-2009 3:18 PM

If I had to choose which one to go for a ride in or rent, I would probably go X-star because I like the way they look and the wake when slammed, but would probably go with the Bu if I was buying due to versatility with the wake / wave and a little better economy. I wouldn't turn down a pull behind either though.

hco 12-14-2009 4:11 PM

Having crawled around both and detailed the insides of everything, the Xstar is going to be better built to the final touches. However, as said, not so much the family boat, and you are going to want to sack it out (however comparing a VLX with ballast and wedge to a stock xstar is a little unfair, if you throw another 1k of ballast in the xstar [the supposed equivalent of the wedge] you would see the wakes get on a more even playing field). Being in a malibu family, and seeing my cousins family having been with MC's the whole time, I will never buy a malibu in the future unless I get a deal of the century.

rbeckei 12-15-2009 6:41 AM

If you want it for the long haul, then Malibu, excellent all around great boat.

nicvtx1994 12-16-2009 2:01 PM

as for the wake on the vlx,, here is a 08 vlx with the 4 tanks and power wedge <BR>\the 06 vlx is the exact same hull as the 09 so the wake wont be any different unless the amount of people u run <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/752000.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by nicvtx1994 on December 16, 2009)

cjh1669 12-16-2009 2:05 PM

What speed and length are you on that?

ralph 12-16-2009 2:36 PM

Wow, nick you look just like Dean Smith. Oh, pretty sure Dean Smith has never ridden just factory ballast in his whole life.

duckguy 12-16-2009 5:27 PM

06 and 09 are NOT the same hull. 09 is the first year of the new design

mvl 12-16-2009 7:09 PM

didn't we just do this last week? VLX vx. Xstar. Whatever happened to that post. I went to check it at night and it was gone. Dave must have pulled it? I was getting a kick out of it. Anyone know?

nicvtx1994 12-16-2009 11:44 PM

i know thats not me lol, its dean smith wakeboading at black diamond wakeboarding school!! <BR> <BR>and my bad bout the 09 part, i got the dates mixied up, 05-08 was the same hull then they redesigned it this yr

hco 12-17-2009 12:08 AM

Can anyone confirm that that is the stock wake with just the wedge? That wake seems a bit too meaty to be just 1000lbs. (or is it 1250?) of ballast and a wedge.

nicvtx1994 12-17-2009 3:27 AM

It's the 4 tanks, (1250) and power wedge and 10 peeps in the boat

hco 12-17-2009 4:10 AM

Just for the sake of clarification, do you know how many were m/f of those 10 people? It makes about a 400-600 lb. difference.

michridr69 12-17-2009 8:50 AM

id have to go MALIBU

wakeboardsam 12-17-2009 9:09 AM

The 'Bu wake is soft as me, I should know. Go with an '06 SAN 210, that wake is a monster, even stock! I have had both and I want my SAN back. I gave my SAN to my brother when the wife's dad gave us a new 'Bu, but I'm trying to pull off a swap if I keep I can keep the family happy 8p...

sidekicknicholas 12-17-2009 11:06 AM

without being there i can almost promise that is not just stock

woreout 12-17-2009 1:22 PM

Better quality build in the MC. It will outlast the BU especially in the interior and cosmetics. XStar has pull out carpet, wont rot or mildew up. XStar is a full lined top deck, not carpeted pieced together floor. <BR>Lift up seats and look under things, you will see a difference. Little things like windshield supports solid SS vs hollow alum tubing with plastic caps. Jabsco ballast pumps vs Bass Pro Shops livewell pumps. Billet aluminum vs chrome that will pit on the dash. Those are minor things but it all adds up in the long haul. <BR>OK now everyone blast me!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by woreout on December 17, 2009) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by woreout on December 17, 2009)

jason95gt 12-17-2009 2:08 PM

I have always heard that one other thing that the BU lacks on is the fuel pump or gas tank sending unit in that it is a plastic unit instead of a solid metal unit the Xstar/Mastercraft has. I love the BU wake but it all comes down to what everyone else has already said.

wakeboardsam 12-17-2009 2:36 PM

Both the '06 Malibu and Mastercraft burn fuel like no tomorrow when you get a good wake... Get an <blink><font color="0077aa">'06 SAN 210</font></blink> it will have a great wake and great fuel economy!!

nicvtx1994 12-18-2009 1:01 AM

well of course its not stock!!!!! <BR> <BR>its has the 4 tanks filled up, power wedge up half way,nd 10 peeps in the boat!!! <BR> <BR>say the 10 people in the boat all weight 70kg(154pds) so whats that, 10x154=1540 pds <BR> <BR>add the ballast 1250pds to the 1540pds and the power wedge your looking at 2790 pds+

malibudude 12-21-2009 12:32 PM

FYI the '09 VLX is not the same as the '05-'08 VLX, the hull was changed and widend.

nicvtx1994 12-21-2009 2:55 PM

we resolved that issue !!!!!!

malibudude 12-21-2009 3:20 PM

Ah, didn't see your second post about it.

fullspeed 12-22-2009 2:43 PM

Is this thread still going. Oh well. VLX all the way. VLX handles better to me and has a lot more room in the interior and to me a better use of storage. The wake to me is sick and with the stock and wedge with a few people on the boat it is big enough for any pro-level rider. <BR> <BR>The X-Star sucks gas, turns like a battle ship and I feel you have to put heavy weight in the bow to keep the bow down why pulling a boarder. The seating is cramped compaired to the VLX unless you like to sit in the bow. <BR> <BR>I know the resale value of the MC is better, but I would rather have the boat that works better for me. Plus at this point nothing has a good resale value.

jeff_mn 12-23-2009 6:47 AM

One question. How come you are asking this question and selling an 06 X Star in the classified? Are you thinking of keeping it or thinking of buying a VLX?

brett564 12-23-2009 8:48 AM

"Plus at this point nothing has a good resale value." So True...

clubmyke 12-30-2009 9:45 PM

xstar


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