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mtownrydr 04-11-2009 2:48 PM

<a href="http://standardboats.com/pictures.aspx" target="_blank">http://standardboats.com/pictures.aspx</a> <BR> <BR>Looks like somebody got the hint on a core boat that throws a wake...bet the trailer doesn't come standard w/ 20's. Anyone know what the price on these boats are?

mtownrydr 04-11-2009 2:54 PM

Just found it says they will sell for 29,000. Still a hefty price for a closed bow boat not backed by a large company like malibu. I think I would prob drop the extra 10k on an axis.

raftisland 04-11-2009 3:34 PM

definitely not a good looking boat which is going to make it very hard to sell. you are paying for what you get. would much rather spend the extra 15-20k and get the axis for a price point boat. plus these boats dont look very practical.

mikef9844 04-11-2009 3:37 PM

haha, i'm going to let everyone else comment on this one...

dohboy 04-11-2009 3:47 PM

FUGLY

wakebrdr38 04-11-2009 3:48 PM

looks like they flashed a 2001's bottom and then tweeked it some making the bow sit higher. The top deck is obviously differnt, and IMO not in a good way at all. My 2001 has more features than that boat and its 23 years old!

mtownrydr 04-11-2009 4:13 PM

haha yea I don't think 30k for that boat is gonna work tower is pretty ugly as well.

wakerider111 04-11-2009 4:23 PM

yup, ugly indeed

wakerpunk 04-11-2009 4:25 PM

if they tweak the windshield and tower they could get it dialed for a price point. A little design change could go a long way assuming the wake is dialed...

spinner_x 04-11-2009 4:55 PM

I could make something better than that.

02wakesettervlx 04-11-2009 5:29 PM

Looks to me like someone bought the old 2001 molds.

michaelspsp 04-11-2009 5:38 PM

it's 19 ft and holds 6 people... Axis all the way

wakebrdr38 04-11-2009 5:44 PM

Im not so sure someone bought the molds at all. There has been discussion before on the2001.com about flashing a mold off of a stripped out 2001. If thats what they did they weren't thinking at all and messed it up bad. The bow sits higher on that boat than a 2001 so I think they copied it and changed it some. If you want to see something really crazy in a good way go check out the v drive conversion pics on a 2001 at the2001.com Not many pics yet but there is a lot of talk and a few pics and it is starting to finally come together. Should be pretty sweet.

wakebrdr38 04-11-2009 5:46 PM

oh and a 2001 is 18 ft 9 in. and 20 ft 1 inch with the platform. I could easily see them call it a 19 foot boat.

dh03r6 04-11-2009 6:01 PM

I like everything but the tower and the price. Bring that thing in for around 20 and im in.

04-11-2009 6:05 PM

For 30 grand I'll go find a very slightly used V-drive Moomba.

hayes 04-11-2009 6:13 PM

Terrible idea. Why can someone not just copy the 1995-2005 SAN hull with bare bones options (perfect pass, ballast, tower) and sell it for $20-25k.

w00taz 04-11-2009 6:31 PM

I dunno I kinda like it. only gripe would be the silly tower mount on the bottom.

bmartin 04-11-2009 6:50 PM

I like the concept but have to agree that they missed the mark on styling. Can't say I'm too thrilled about Axis styling either. Do people intentionally make budget boats ugly??? <BR> <BR>If it throws a decent wake, I can see this for the budget oriented buyer that has to have a new ride. With a little bit of dealing maybe you can get a trailer thrown in and actually get on the water for less than 30K?

wakerpunk 04-11-2009 6:58 PM

both boats have ugly windshields in my opinion

mike2001 04-11-2009 8:44 PM

To anyone who seems to have the real solution to creating a budget boat, why don't you throw together the business plan, get the investors and do it yourself and cash in. So many people come on here and say how obviously easy it is to do and that's it. <BR> <BR>Good luck to another company trying to help drive prices in the industry down. I just hope this doesn't turn into the Axis thread w/ all the negativity.

timmy 04-11-2009 8:53 PM

put a nicer looking tower on it, a better looking windshield, and make the engine box more rounded, and then I think it could be a good looking boat

johnny_defacto 04-11-2009 9:52 PM

I think this is great for our sport. if $30k with trailer is the real price, I think it is a great deal. <BR> <BR>closed bow= most people fill the bow with extra ballast anyways, so what wakeboarders need an open bow? <BR> <BR>4 year warranty on motor <BR>lifetime hull <BR> <BR>speed control <BR> <BR>ugly tower= who cares, it has a place to connect your line, and it will hold speakers/lights. <BR> <BR>ballast is extra $= that is the only real "negative"... but you will probably only need 2k lbs to get a real good wake with this small of a hull. <BR> <BR>When the Axis came out for $39K... everyone was ripping them saying a "real price point boat would be an old nauty hull, tower, speed control and ballast... for $30k". <BR> <BR>looks like somebody was listening. (granted, we do not know what kind of hull it is) <BR> <BR>this is a good thing.

waterdork88 04-11-2009 10:04 PM

I could care less about the looks, I want to ride the wake for myself

wakeborder5 04-11-2009 10:27 PM

The axis windshield is definitely uglier. The boat wouldn't be bad looking exterior-wise if they got a tower that fit the lines of the boat.

sidekicknicholas 04-11-2009 10:57 PM

Change the tower, make it V-drive and it wouldn't be so bad. <BR> <BR>I think if it was V-drive too you could squeeze 8 in there. <BR> <BR>a baby step, but a step non-the-less in the right direction

michaelspsp 04-12-2009 7:38 AM

to each his own. i like the axis windshield...

robandrus 04-12-2009 8:10 AM

I can't even tell you how many times I've heard on this board "Why can't someone just make the 2001 hull and sell it cheap." <BR> <BR>Looks like someone did. Look for the positive. <BR>"Don't be hatin"

nick_in_ssp 04-12-2009 8:18 AM

A few minor changes and this boat would be pimp.

polarbill 04-12-2009 8:44 AM

The problem I see is that anybody could go out and buy a nautique 2001 and spend 10k restoring and adding features and would have pretty much the same boat.

wakerider111 04-12-2009 2:28 PM

wait wait, is that one of them weird towers with the rope hitch pointing down? <BR>someone please point out the benefit of having a hitch point down vs up like most? <BR>wouldn't the rope hit the edges of the tower on fast wide cuts? i don't get it

malibuboats4 04-12-2009 2:34 PM

maybe a more comfortable looking drivers seat?

wakerider111 04-12-2009 2:39 PM

they have a nice environmental approach on the build process <BR> <BR>"Instead of spraying or brushing on a coat of resin between each fiberglass layer like many boat manufacturers do, Sheer and his crew lay down 10 to 14 layers of fiberglass sheets into a mold, cover it with a vacuum-sealed plastic bag and then pump the resin into the bag. <BR> <BR>The resin saturates the fiberglass layers and hardens to form the hull of the boat. Many of the boat's other fiberglass parts are made the same way."

wakerider111 04-12-2009 2:47 PM

best pic of the wake from here (if you havn't looked around at the site enough to see it) <a href="http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/032309skiboat" target="_blank">http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/032309skiboat</a> <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/686693.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR>but who knows the speed and there is probably just the weight of two peeps?

xmarksthespot 04-12-2009 3:27 PM

standard...the tower is on backwards....your welcome. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by xmarksthespot on April 12, 2009)

jay_g 04-12-2009 3:40 PM

Just get an outback V fully loaded for a few K more

ian_ashton 04-12-2009 5:11 PM

I saw this at the Windermere Wakefest. I thought it was a pretty cool boat, and definately budget minded. For $27k this thing comes with the essentials and I'd assume a warranty. Its budget where others fail. It is not fancy, and I think its a cool idea. I hope the company has enough time to evolve, as I think it has potential.

ian_ashton 04-12-2009 5:14 PM

In fact, here is a picture I took of it; <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/686762.jpg" alt="Upload">

polarbill 04-12-2009 5:24 PM

It is definately the 2001 mold or something identical to it. I prefer the look of the Nautique 2001 with a 2nd gen FCT myself. <BR> <BR>I would be interested to see what they are actually selling for. If they are actually expecting to get 27.5-30 I think they are going to have a very hard time. For 30-35 you can get a Moomba Outback V or a Sanger V210 which are both vdrives.

fulltilt429 04-12-2009 5:29 PM

the towers backwards...idiots.

jackeh 04-12-2009 5:57 PM

hey at least they are trying, i agree its not my favorite boat, but people are throwing ideas out and i think that's what counts.

polkaking27 04-12-2009 6:31 PM

I was in Florida a couple weeks ago and saw this boat out on the Lake. I was able to go out on it and even got a set behind it. The first thing I thought was "sweet and new version of the 2001". <BR> <BR>Here are a couple of my thoughts. Boat actually exceeded my expectataions. The fit and finish is really nice, the tower takes some getting used to... but hey so did the illusion tower on Bu's, the one gauge does EVERYTHING but it would be nice to have some other ones there, there is plenty of power - the boat is on plane before you have even accelerated(I guess thats what you get when you put a 5.7 on a 19' boat) and the wake was awesome. <BR> <BR>The one really unique part of the boat was the dash box... it lifts up in the middle where it is connected to the windshield. It definitely made the closed bow a lot more useful than the other closed bow's i've been on. (I think I have a pic of this somewhere, I'll post if I find it) <BR> <BR>Anyway, Overall I think it is an awesome idea. And he is headed in the right direction. He said the price was in the $25-27K range. He also mentioned that a v-drive was in the works <BR> <BR>(Message edited by polkaking27 on April 12, 2009)

joeshmoe 04-12-2009 6:58 PM

hey, I bet this boat is great to ski behind

bbr 04-12-2009 7:08 PM

I would certainly spend the other 10K and get the Axis. You can't even compare the two....Axis wins hands down. For the record that pic of the wake above is horrible. I know, I know, we don't know how fast they are going or the weight, but still. <BR> <BR>If they were to have a v-drive coming out later, then maybe it would be a worthy discussion. Not until then.

mtnsun 04-12-2009 7:45 PM

I think it's pretty sweet. Looks clean with a simple yet effective design.

wakecrzy2000 04-12-2009 8:42 PM

yea its no AXIS, but for the people that have a hard time getting 40-60k boat 27k is a wakeboarders dream. Its something you can buy and add the things you like as you get more money vs. getting a malibu or whatever and being in debt.

conar 04-12-2009 8:49 PM

personal i think that is an ugly ass boat... no offence to any owner, but i just don't find that boat attractive and the wake doesn't even look that good

wakeboardsam 04-12-2009 9:07 PM

I like it! <BR> <BR>BTW, in 2006 a signature series SAN 210 could be had for $40k. A Sanger V210 for less. Nothing beats either one for the money. <BR> <BR>Also, when you copy a boat hull by using an existing boat as a plug and building a new mold it's called a "Splash", not a flash. It's actually a time honored tradition in the boat business! You really have to watch out for "hook" in the new mold.

wakerider111 04-12-2009 9:11 PM

here is the bow thing polkaking mentioned<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/686814.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>funny thing is that i noticed two additional things weee posted in the "about us" section. a blog and a press release were added within the last couple of hours. there is some riding pics in the blog. not so perfect weather was mentioned in the blog <BR><a href="http://benjhicks.blogspot.com/2009/03/standard-boats.html#links" target="_blank">http://benjhicks.blogspot.com/2009/03/standard-boats.html#links</a> <BR> <BR>... actually the whole site changed just a bit. wonder if this thread had anything to do with it? <BR> <BR>i wish 'em luck though no matter what i or anyone else thinks/ thought. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by wakerider111 on April 12, 2009)

kraig 04-12-2009 9:39 PM

Sam, a Nauti 210 for $40K? New from the dealer? Hmmm.... why am I finding that hard to believe? Now I could be wrong, but a new Nautique 210 Signature series for $40K? I gotta see the proof on that one. Wakeworld is showing the MSRP for a 210 in 2006 was $48,336.00. Dont' know what else the Signature series has on it and rarely does anyone pay MSRP, but still.

wakeboardsam 04-12-2009 9:47 PM

Ok, I'm a liar. Just don't tell my brother who has one in his garage. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by Wakeboardsam on April 12, 2009)

polkaking27 04-12-2009 9:48 PM

Yea, thats what I was talking about. Its pretty handy. When I was riding there were 2 sacs, probably about 450 each, and 3 people. The wake was pretty similar to the 2001's that I have ridden, pretty boosty and steep (regular Nautique thing)

wakemitch 04-12-2009 10:29 PM

You guys are so funny. In every other price point boat thread you guys ask for a boat just like this for this price, but now you say why not spend a few k more. you will never be satisfied.

mtownrydr 04-12-2009 11:07 PM

I think everyone said do a boat like this but the price is wrong for a closed bow d drive tiny boat. I think this boat at say 19,900 would really make a statement and maybe sell alot/ even but pressure on other manufacturers to put out a more affordable model. Also a new company especially selling boats now just starting up...jumping into a 30k investment is not small. For 30k I could get like an 02 or 03 xstar or like an 06 mobius lsv. I know that boat will not be new but that is just the reality of the matter.

mtownrydr 04-12-2009 11:17 PM

This is going to turn into another axis thread I'm sure...I am not trying to bash this company at all because new boats are great, but I was just pretty hyped when I came across this boat and then got pretty un-hyped when I saw the price tag 30 thousand plus tax. Hard having a student income at my age and really wanting to own a real wake boat. Hopefully my day will come soon.

joe_crawley 04-12-2009 11:24 PM

So sweet that that people are out there building inboards like this at these prices, this means really good things for everybody interested in wakeboarding. <BR> <BR>As far as the tower goes- I'm not a fan, but Malibu has made a killing selling boats with towers on backwards- so it wouldn't surprise me if these towers were received well. It needs a ski pylon as well- maybe that is an option? <BR> <BR>And for those who say get an Axis/Moomba/X1 instead- 2 points: <BR> <BR>1. Do you know how much money $10k is? That's more money than most people make in a year after taxes and car/house payments. <BR> <BR>2. Do you honestly think someone considering this boat would also be considering an Axis? 22ft 100in beam pickle fork vs 19ft 84in beam closed bow? Seriously? This boat is for the skier/boarder who trailers and wants a boat that handles well. It would also be an F1 car to the Axis' Suburban in terms of handling.

epic1 04-12-2009 11:54 PM

if there was a v drive in the next three years under 32k with trailer, and some steeze, it might be my cherry popper!

timmy 04-13-2009 5:38 AM

If I was boat shopping right now I'd seriously consider this boat. I'd just get it with a different tower.

wakereviews 04-13-2009 6:11 AM

Kudos to these guys. To the owners of Standard, hook up with New Dimension and throw a FCT on that boat <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

bjeremi 04-13-2009 6:48 AM

I like it! Hate the tower but I guess you could probably order it without it. You can't really compare it to the illusion I think because this tower actually looks like it's on backwards. The d-drive think sucks a little bit because of the fact that it makes it harder to hide weight. If it was a vdrive I would be sold.

polkaking27 04-13-2009 9:07 AM

I wonder how much the Merc 5.7 engine costs.(does anyone know?) It seems like the engine is probably where most of the cost is coming from, I've heard they can run upwards of $15K. <BR> <BR>I agree with the v-drive comments. Although he made it work as best as possible with the inboard d-drive setup, if the v-drive was anywhere near the same price point you can count me in.

pavement_rider 04-13-2009 9:59 AM

Fantasy world too many of you live in a fantasy world. Change this change that a little tweak here a small tweak there. This all adds up to higher cost's dodo heads. I think these guys did a pretty good job of bringing an affordable new boat to market.Unfortunately that market is brutal with comments like well who would pay that without the backing of brand A,or B and skier X or boarder Y. So now all these guys need to do is sponsor up some boarders and skiers sell out to the big guys (which of course will make the boats more expensive) and the we can all complain about another over priced wakeboat co.

pavement_rider 04-13-2009 10:14 AM

for that bring it in under 20 comment how? <BR>Motor = 15K <BR>trailer = 3K <BR>under water gear = 1k <BR>interior &amp; tower = 2k <BR>correct craft tower fee =$150 <BR>Fiberglass and Gel coat =1.5k <BR>I,m already at 22.5 and haven't even bought a nut or bolt to put that thing together. Luckily these guys live in Florida where labor is free so the won't have that cost to add

behindtheboat 04-13-2009 10:15 AM

I love it! <BR> <BR> <BR>only question is..... <BR>What happens when you dip the bow?

roverjohn 04-13-2009 10:19 AM

Most people could not care less about a big name rider being sponsored, blinged out boats, pro audio, stripper poles, or room for a crew of eleven. Maybe on this site boat salesman and their customers do but not elsewhere. There are a lot of families where a 17 yo male does not make the buying decisions who still wakeboard. If this boat had a better looking tower and maybe some nicer graphics it would look fine. If it's true that the engine retails for $15k, which sounds high to me, I wonder what they could sell an engineless boat for. $15K-17K ? That would rock for someone like me who has two marineized small blocks sitting in their garage.

cwfunrider 04-13-2009 10:20 AM

I like it. It's different for sure, but at that price, I'd take different. <BR> <BR>Gangstar is right, 10K is a big difference for most people in the entry level market. Let's say 40K for 84mo at 8% = 630 a month VS. 30K for 84mo at 8% = 460. That 150 a month extra for gas.

trdon 04-13-2009 10:21 AM

I never understood how they come up with 15K for an engine. I have built and known builders that put way less than 15K into a 800hp drag motor with a supercharger, full fuel system, ect ect ect. To make a motor with 300-350 hp is easy and way the heck cheaper than 15K. You could easily do a carb motor top to bottom for under 7k that would do everything and be on the cheap too.

xbones 04-13-2009 10:24 AM

Gary - what motor costs $15K? <BR> <BR>Example: <BR><a href="http://www.perfprotech.com/store/catalog/GM-Marine-Big-Block-V8-Long-Block-Engines%2C3275.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.perfprotech.com/store/catalog/GM-Marine-Big-Block-V8-Long-Block-Engines,3275.aspx</a> <BR> <BR>I like the boat and agree with the "$20K and I'm in" comment.

bjeremi 04-13-2009 10:27 AM

Allright I'll recant the vdrive comment, tower still needs to change though.

roverjohn 04-13-2009 10:30 AM

Luker, Those prices are for long blocks so I could see at least $2500 more when you dress then with marine exhaust, a water pump and plumbing, and some sort of induction system so maybe $7-8 ready to drop in.

roverjohn 04-13-2009 10:32 AM

I guess add whatever a pair of catalysts cost too as I think the motor they offer is equipped with them so maybe it is close to $10k? <BR> <BR>(Message edited by roverjohn on April 13, 2009)

K.B.C. 04-13-2009 10:33 AM

If that's a 2001 hull, which it looks to be, isn't production just gonna get stopped? I can't imagine CC allowing him to continue new production of one of their hulls.

roverjohn 04-13-2009 10:37 AM

The other thing no one has mentioned yet is that the guy is planning to sell direct to the end user. Yeah!

bmartin 04-13-2009 10:38 AM

What would you say a 19 1/2 foot Bayliner would cost your with tower and 8 banger? Check below to see for yourself. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.baylinerboats.com/pricing.asp?modelid=122446" target="_blank">http://www.baylinerboats.com/pricing.asp?modelid=122446</a> <BR> <BR>I think bayliner make decent boats, but probably not to the standard many here are acustomed to, but if Bayliner can't list a 19 footer with an 8 cylinder and tower for under $30K, I think these guys are on to something. This may be a boat that can go after the I/O buyers directly and beat them on price. I still think they could have made it more visually apealing without adding costs, but to each their own.

xbones 04-13-2009 10:43 AM

John - noted... $8k is still well short of the suggested $15K above. <BR> <BR>$20K is totally doable.

behindtheboat 04-13-2009 10:43 AM

The 2001 hull has been passed around more than a sorority girl. If this IS the hull, this guy found a way to make it work, while others weren't.

wakeboardsam 04-13-2009 10:52 AM

House Judiciary Committee on Hull Splashing... <BR> <BR><a href="http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/41116.htm" target="_blank">Hull Splashing</a> <BR> <BR>Also, at least one major wake boat manufacturer has one splashed hull in their inventory. It started out as an I/O and is now a v-drive. The guy who runs the company has a dad who was actually in a hull splashing war in the 60's and 70's. He was famous for splashing a hull. They went back and fourth splashing each others hulls trying to out do the other. <BR> <BR>Edit: <BR>Actually, I am wrong, they have taken the splashed hull out of their line up. My mistake, the hull that was copied was the Chaparral Sunesta. Maybe it didn't sell or they had to remove it, I have no idea. <BR> <BR>Splashing a hull and getting away with it is very, very easy. All you have to do is just change the smallest detail. In this case it looks like they changed it enough. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by wakeboardsam on April 13, 2009)

wakebrdr38 04-13-2009 11:02 AM

Oops you are totally right I meant splash not flash! THanks for the clarification. I wasnt thinking. The 2001 hull has been used before. I can tell you right now that wake pic looks like a 2001 with no ballast in the back and a little extra weight up front. My guess would be that boat with no ballast.

roverjohn 04-13-2009 11:04 AM

OK the more I think about it the more $10-12k is starting to sound close for a complete marine engine with FI &amp; catalyst as you would have to add addition money to cover a warranty and sales cost. Certainly a DIYer could put together an as new RB 250hp marine motor for less than $2k starting from scratch.

roverjohn 04-13-2009 11:06 AM

It would be funny if MC complained as their first boat was a splashed CC.


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