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-   -   2001 to 2003 SAN 210's wake too steep? (http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=670171)

jim_robinson 02-15-2009 2:14 PM

$20-30,000 is my range. I want a v-drive because I love to surf as much as my teenagers love to wakeboard. They'll go to the lake by themselves, so you can guess who'll use more - I'll be working to pay off the loan. My wife only skis. Reliability is number one because I'm 6,000 feet high in the mountains of Idaho - hours away from any dealer. I've been looking hard at the Super Air Nautique 210, but I'm deeply worried that the wake will be too steep and difficult for me and for my kids' friends who are intermediate riders.

lakemiltonwake08 02-15-2009 2:26 PM

I've never rode behind one that year. But anyone here will tell you it's one of the steepest wakes out there. There are some things you can do to mellow it out such as weighting the front of the boat. Some people love the wake, others do not. Test it out before you buy one.

bill 02-15-2009 2:31 PM

they are only too steep if you want them too be. <BR> <BR>like nick said you can add an extra sack up front to mellow out wake over just stock wweight so you are basically riding stock weight plus a little in the bow. <BR> <BR>Also it depends on the type of rider you are,people who like straight up pop with a wake to wake landing ,you will be ok as the trough is ok. <BR> <BR>However if you are an agressive rider and hit the wake hard ,you will be in the flats all day as the 210 doesnt have much transisiton to land down and the landing will be hard on you.. <BR> <BR>I like them weighted with about 1800 or so over stock and they do buck but it isnt hard to learn to ride them with a little less agressive edge.Again with 900 or so lbs its a great wake for beginners to INT riders and you get plenty of pop from a smallish wake do most anything..

jim_robinson 02-15-2009 2:51 PM

I worry that my kids won't like the steep wake.

jim_robinson 02-15-2009 2:52 PM

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate them

downfortheride 02-15-2009 3:01 PM

Jim ~~ It will take a little getting used to but in the end you should love it. Here is a pic of a 02 SANTE (stock) wake that you will fall in love with. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670181.jpg" alt="Upload">

wake_upppp 02-15-2009 3:02 PM

I've ridden behind a few and remember the owners all saying that with the correct weight distribution, you can make the wake more rounded/less steep. Reliability is among the top brands but any brand can experience problems. The weight to wake ratio is among the best as this is a narrow hull so you won't need to kill the boat with ballast to get a great wake. In '06 when I was looking to upgrade, '03 Super Air was one of my two choices. The other was a Sanger V210. I was able to get a brand new Sanger for about the same price as the three year old Super Air. Since I've owned two other Sanger's and know how solid they are. I opted for the brand new boat. Kids are resiliant and adapt quikly, they will get used to any wake.

kko13 02-15-2009 5:41 PM

i have spent some time behind an 03. 330 exc. motor. dude ran stock ballast plus 900lbs. wake for surfing and boarding were great. that being said weighted like that it was a handful and a half to drive and used gas like nothing i have ever seen.with stock ballast it was good wakeboard and surf but your not really gona be able to slalom behind it with any vigor if you know what i mean.if you wife just 2 skis and stays behind the boat she will be ok but if she wants to start crossings wakes it will get harry.

joe_crawley 02-15-2009 5:47 PM

great boat, your kids will love it, no worries there. What speed does your wife ski at? 30 and up and this is a done deal, get the boat. It's a shame that hull isn't around today, one of the best ever.

bhog 02-15-2009 6:22 PM

It wont be too step at all. The stock ballast will be perfect for your kids. IMO they will love it. If they progress like the young ones I see they will be adding more weight in no time. Its not that its steep its that it has a trough. so you need to land wake to wake or just fly in that flats. However I own a 210 so im a little bias.

polarbill 02-15-2009 6:33 PM

Jim, what side do you surf on? I may be wrong but isn't the SAN pretty crappy for surfing on the port side?

sidekicknicholas 02-15-2009 7:04 PM

Here is a 95' Supersport (same hull) with a lot of front weight, its pretty mellow. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670282.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670283.jpg" alt="Upload">

joshbuzz 02-15-2009 7:39 PM

That's what we ride behind the most, and I love it. No complaints, just have to ride a little farther out cause it's a typical nauti wake, steep, straight up pop, and narrow.

wakeboardingzach 02-15-2009 7:49 PM

go to your other post!

xbones 02-16-2009 5:25 AM

There is no such thing as too steep homie!!!

rmcronin 02-17-2009 5:39 AM

I think it is the best wake out there. It holds up without washing out at the longest line lengths of any boat I know of. Just don't overweight the stern. I only sold mine because of a cramped driver's seat and low tower (I am 6'4". I now have a Supra Launch SS. The wake is just as steep but way more fickle than the SAN. Go for the SAN if you can find one.

wakeriderixi 02-17-2009 6:17 AM

BEST wake ever! It is steep, but all that is going to cause is for you and everyone else who rides it to hate all other wakes- Haaahahaa, IMO. I prefer no other wake, don't mind some Malibus though.

afwakepilot13 02-17-2009 6:38 AM

One of the best boats ever made, my favorite wake ever made. If you don't put any ballast in the boat and there aren't 10 people in it, I personally think it is the best "learning" wake out there, both from my own experience and that of my friends/family. Beginners learning to jump or intermediate riders trying new tricks have great success from what I've seen. For new beginners/young kids the wake doesn't really matter that much, any v-drive will seem big &amp; steep to anybody new. Jim, purchase whatever boat fits you and your familiy's needs, but don't be afraid of buying a SAN because people say the wake's steep. To 2nd what Paul just said, this boat has the wake that I judge other boats with, my "standard" if you will. The only thing I would caution you about is how good of a skier your wife is. Recreational skiing is fine, but anyone I personally know who's ever skied a course absolutely refuses to ski behind my parents' SAN because they catch air. Any advanced skier used to ski-specific direct drives would probably feel this way towards most v-drives though, including my wife (seen her try behind a SAN, VLX, and Supra), hence why I own a Sunsetter, which is surprisingly good for both.

blabel 02-17-2009 6:52 AM

Amazing wake but really rough on the body due to the short, deep trough. Land on the downside of the wake and you're fine, but land in the trough and get ready for impact. I always say that the perfect wake would be a SAN on the take off, then a Malibu or Mastercraft on the landing. Surfing is kind of poor with it being better on the port side but you can do it on both if you need to. I've definitely been behid better boats for surfing.

sidekicknicholas 02-17-2009 8:02 AM

Surf wake with NO BALLAST - just 4 people <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670660.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR>With around 1000lbs and 4 people <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670661.jpg" alt="Upload">

wakeriderixi 02-17-2009 8:17 AM

Like Ryan said above... I judge ALL wakes from that model 210 but stepping down to an all-purpose boat a sun/wakesetter is a great boat.

Slingshot 02-17-2009 8:27 AM

The 210 is the greatest boat ever IMO! I love having that snap at the top of the wake!

nosebleed 02-17-2009 8:56 AM

are the larger 220 &amp; 230's as vert as these wakes. The lip on these super sport pics is sweet.

K.B.C. 02-17-2009 9:05 AM

"are the larger 220 &amp; 230's as vert as these wakes." <BR> <BR>no

sidekicknicholas 02-17-2009 9:05 AM

the new 210/220/230 are more mellow than the old 210 <BR> <BR>and the pics of our 210 have a LOT of bow weight to mellow it out... when it is being loaded 70/30 or 60/40 (back/front) it gets far more steep <BR> <BR>These show it to look more vert <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670682.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR>but with more rear weight it washes out easier on cuts/ bad left-right weighting <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/670683.jpg" alt="Upload">


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