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redsupralaunch 10-13-2008 3:17 PM

Putting a 1150# front bag in the new 21V is no more. All the whinners that say "I gotta have a walk thru" have messed it up. Just under the play pen, the space has been reconfigured to provide a walk thur The front 650# factory bag is all that will fit. Im very dissapointed because the new 21V Worlds looks smokin hot. <BR> <BR>As I see it I can <BR> <BR>1. Add the Pro X Series Open Bow Sac - W706 on top of the seat. My wife will hate me if I do that <BR> <BR>2. Add the Pro X Series Integrated Bow Sac - W711 <BR>dimensions: body- 20 x 29 x 12 arms- 32 x 12 x 12 weight: 650 lbs. / 295 kg. This one will go under the seat but will only fill to 9inches not 12inches. <BR> <BR>3. Add the Pro X Series Side Sacs (set) - W703 <BR>dimensions: 48 x 12 x 12 weight: 260 lbs. / 118 kg. each. These also will not fill all the way but to 9 inches and might be a little long <BR> <BR>So what do y'all think would be best.

acurtis_ttu 10-13-2008 3:22 PM

combo, lead plates and option 2. you shoudl get close to 1k lbs up front I woudl guess. Does the 21 handle weight the same way? I thought they redesigned it ( hull)?

absoluteboarder 10-13-2008 3:54 PM

wow that sucks...i dont know what I would do without that bag! <BR> <BR>having said that..option 2 + the stock 650...will be just as good....just losing your front seat storage.

old_timer 10-13-2008 4:07 PM

I've heard people talk about lead plates and bricks on here before. Is there someone who sells them or are they homemade? If you can buy them, what sizes do they normally come in? Are they made for wakeboarding? Where do you get them?

ralph 10-13-2008 4:08 PM

Nuff said: <a href="http://www.pop-products.com/" target="_blank">http://www.pop-products.com/</a>

old_timer 10-13-2008 4:20 PM

Thanks Darren

redsupralaunch 10-13-2008 6:39 PM

Yea in the past I have used lead but now its out of question. I trailer my boat behind my 5th wheel all the time and that would really be asking for trouble. <BR> <BR>Plumbing in the extra bags will be easier in 09 because Supra went to the Jabsco reversible pump system. <BR> <BR>Talking outloud here but, I could see how the #3 option would workout better for wakesurfing if I could control the front 3 bags seperately.

old_timer 10-13-2008 7:28 PM

I was thinking it would be nice to have maybe a couple hundred pounds of lead just to quickly balance the boat. For the bulk of the weight I use sacs.

steveotx 10-13-2008 8:01 PM

According to the Supra Site the 21 still has the playpen and the 20 is walk thru <a href="http://www.supraboats.com/launch21v/" target="_blank">http://www.supraboats.com/launch21v/</a>

04outback 10-13-2008 8:39 PM

chris, <BR>I am looking at option 3 for my Mobius LSV right now for surfing.. <BR>I am trying to figure out a valve between the 2 sacs so I can fill one side.. otherwise, I would go with the bow sac..

ripr 10-14-2008 7:32 AM

Chris...more details on the information you have? I hadn't heard anything about this and all the dealer sheets still say playpen on them. How can it be a true playpen and a walkthru as well?

acurtis_ttu 10-14-2008 7:41 AM

Also heard rumors that the 09 pumps have timers on them like the MC's. IF that's the case you may run into some issues when trying to plumb larger/otehr sacs in??

redsupralaunch 10-14-2008 11:38 AM

Steve-o, NAW, and Adam - The 2009 21V is currently availble only as a playpen. BUT LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, the 650# bag takes up the entire area and the 1150# will not fit! SC has moved the basement area forward and glassed in cup holders under the front seat toward the bow, thereby reducing the playpen ballast area. It is very similar to the current 22SSV playpen but with the bag about 3 feet forward. SC did not obvoiusly consult me before making this change. We are going to have to deal with it. <BR> <BR>Adam you are correct that the 09 system is similar to MC and CC with the Jabsco Pumps with timers. There are no longer the solinoid valves. Fill and Drain now are done from the bottom of the boat with an overflow vent at the normal spot. They are much faster<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

acurtis_ttu 10-14-2008 11:50 AM

Chris, I know those timers were giving the MC owner's headaches when trying to reprogram them to allow to fill longer.

04outback 10-14-2008 1:29 PM

This is posted on Moomba.com forum from one of the SC employees: <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=6847&amp;page=2" target="_blank">http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=6847&amp;page=2</a> <BR> <BR> This is for 2009 Ballast Systems ONLY!! <BR> <BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR> <BR>Maybe this will help?? 2009 Ballast System Programming <BR> <BR> <BR>To change the fill time of the ballast: <BR> <BR>1. Connect battery to the wiring with the 60 amp breaker. <BR> <BR>2. Disconnect power to the ballast control box by tripping the 60 amp breaker located by the battery. <BR>a. This will have to be done for programming each ballast control box. (Left rear ballast, Right rear ballast, and Front ballast) <BR> <BR>3. Reset the breaker <BR> <BR>4. Within 1 minute of resetting the breaker; toggle the ballast switch (of the fill time you want to change) FILL-OFF-EMPTY-OFF- FILL-OFF-EMPTY-OFF-FILL <BR>a. Stop with the switch toggled to FILL. <BR>b. This will enter ballast control box into programming mode. <BR>c. When the ballast control box goes into programming mode the pump will quit turning on. <BR> <BR>5. The LED on the ballast switch will blink to show current fill time. <BR>a. When counting blinks wait for the second blink cycle after the pause, blinking starts as soon as reprogramming has started and it is easy to miss the first few blinks. <BR> <BR>b. Refer to the timing chart to determine the current fill time based on the number of blinks. <BR> <BR>6. To ADD TIME to the fill time <BR>a. To add 30 secs, turn ballast switch to FILL then OFF. <BR>b. Number of blinks will increase by one each time the FILL - OFF is toggled. <BR>c. Add remaining number of toggles of FILL - OFF to get the desired number of blinks from the timing chart. <BR>d. End with the switch toggled to FILL to count the blinks. <BR> <BR>7. To REMOVE TIME from the fill time. <BR>a. To remove 30 secs, turn to OFF then DRAIN <BR>b. Number of blinks decreases by one each time the DRAIN - OFF is toggled. <BR>c. Add the remaining number of toggles of DRAIN - OFF to get the desired number of blinks from the timing chart. <BR>d. End with the switch toggled to FILL to count the blinks. <BR> <BR>8. When counting blinks wait for second blink cycle after the pause, blinking starts as soon as reprogramming has started and it is easy to miss the first few. <BR> <BR>9. When correct blinks are obtained, switch to OFF and wait 10 seconds to allow program to be set. This will now be stored in the AI unit. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Timing Chart <BR> <BR>Blinks Time (minutes) Blinks Time (minutes) <BR>1 2 14 8.5 <BR>2 2.5 15 9 <BR>3 3 16 9.5 <BR>4 3.5 17 10 <BR>5 4 18 10.5 <BR>6 4.5 19 11 <BR>7 5 20 11.5 <BR>8 5.5 21 12 <BR>9 6 22 12.5 <BR>10 6.5 23 13 <BR>11 7 24 13.5 <BR>12 7.5 25 14 <BR>13 8 ETC 20 max <BR> <BR> <BR>Rear bags All boats = 4.5 minutes of fill time = 6 blinks <BR> <BR>LS split tank = 2 minutes each side = 1 blink <BR> <BR>Front bags <BR> <BR>Moomba <BR>1) Outback V = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks <BR> <BR>2) LS / LSV = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks <BR> <BR>3) XLV = 4 minutes of fill time = 5 blinks <BR> <BR>Supra <BR>1) 20 SSV = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks <BR> <BR>2) 21 V = 4 minutes of fill time = 5 blinks <BR> <BR>3) 22 SSV Walk-Thru = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks <BR> <BR>4) 22 SSV Play-pen = 4 minutes of fill time = 5 blinks <BR> <BR>5) 24 SSV Walk-Thru = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks <BR> <BR>6) 24 SSV Play-pen = 11 minutes of fill time = 19 blinks

wake1823 10-14-2008 2:23 PM

^^^^This reminds me of that old Nintendo game where you get infinite lives, by pressing the controller, down, up, down, up, left, right, left, right, a,b,a,b, select, start

10-15-2008 12:14 PM

On a different note, I'm glad Supra stepped up and changed the size of the gas tank to add 12 more gals for a total 52. I hated only having a 40 gallon tank in my old 2006 21v.

pdxWAKE.com 10-16-2008 9:42 AM

Chris, <BR>Did you try and throw a 1150 in the compartment? <BR>I have not tried, but I did check out the 09' and comented on it being smaller for sure. Similar to the 22, but I bet you can still get most of that 1150 bag full. Not sure as I have not tried, and simply looked and my assumption was also so they can introduce a Sunsport version of the 21V. You can tell that is the plan, but have not heard anything for sure. Let me know what you find out, cause that is a big deal to me as well. Have you driven it yet? I have not. I was told there were no real changes to the hull and just the top deck. I hope that is the case, but does anyone know?

redsupralaunch 10-16-2008 4:12 PM

Diggs - No I did not but let me tell you why. Nick and I took an aircompressor and blew up the 650# front bag and it took up the entire compartment + it also started to push up the center cushion<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>That bag starts a good 2 foot forward of where the 22SSV bag begins begins. Not sure why they did that? I dont think the gas tank is bigger like what Bill is saying but I have not confirmed it either way. Ill email Matt Brown to find out. Reguardless, even if you swapped for the 1150# it is not going to add any weight. <BR> <BR>Bottom line is we will have to do it like all the other brands do it. Nick and I are leaning toward adding 2 x 250 bags up front. BTW I did not drive it yet but very confident on the wake. Per Matt, the only change was it got trued up digitally.

pdxWAKE.com 10-16-2008 8:54 PM

Chris <BR>Thanks for the info and let me know what you find out... We may demo it soon too, but really loved the 1150# bag up front. I heard there is a 52 gallon tank in it now. <BR>Cheers

on_board_wakeboarding 10-18-2008 2:01 PM

Can someone tell me if they resized the rearbags??? <BR>I saw a supra 22ssv today and the rearsacs looks smaller and higher.

gmarkham1 10-18-2008 7:25 PM

the rear sacs are the same weight just different dimensions so the they stay in the lockers

on_board_wakeboarding 10-19-2008 1:01 AM

Does SC also use new dimensions for the new moomba's

wiz 11-30-2008 1:40 PM

chris, just get a 22!!! the black worlds is gonna be a nightmare to keep clean. plus with that gold it looks like lil john edition.

ed_g 12-01-2008 3:11 AM

Oh sure, share my private love letters with the world. <BR> <BR>Until now, you had to buy a 2009 Moomba Outback in order to get the secret Orphan Annie Ballast Code.

crowem87 12-02-2008 10:43 AM

chris i have lead tire weights out the ass in my garage and an extra couple hundred pounds wont be hard.. you know my number! call me!

AWS 12-02-2008 2:28 PM

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phenom_1819 12-02-2008 2:50 PM

That has Tyler's name all over it...

on_board_wakeboarding 12-02-2008 2:56 PM

has anyone rode behind it, what's the wake like? <BR>how does it handles?

pdxWAKE.com 12-02-2008 3:27 PM

Ha ha... Cal you are right.... if I sell my 08' that is mine.... <BR>Anyone want an 08 21V? <BR> <BR>Pat, <BR>The wake should be the same and handle the same as the previous 21V's. Most of the tweaking was to the top deck. Why ruin a good thing right?

hatepain 12-02-2008 3:41 PM

I bet they had Diggs in mind when they built it.

AWS 12-02-2008 4:52 PM

HMMM... Tyler may have been in mind on this creation. <BR>This is issue no.1 of the GW LIMITED EDITION SERIES.

pdxWAKE.com 12-02-2008 7:32 PM

hmm might be worth seeing no. 2 of the GW limited edition series.... <BR>Greg, <BR>Have you tried to fill at 1150lb bag in the new 21v or what have you experimented in there for more weight up front?

AWS 12-02-2008 11:24 PM

hopefully no.2 is going to be in the works for the Portland boat show. <BR>I have not tried to fit any other bag under the front. I did fill the factory bags and threw a 550 in the bow and a 550 in the middle of the cockpit.The wake was solid!

redsupralaunch 12-03-2008 6:07 AM

Chuck - In 2010 ill be saying - God why did I not listen to Nick and Chuck about black boats.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> I gotta stick to the 21V over the 22SSV on my lake. 2000 feet is not very long. <BR> <BR>Matt Crowe - Thanks but were gonna do an extra 2x350 tube up front with extra pump. Ill have it on display at Indy Boat Show in Feb <BR> <BR>Greg Waters - Nice!!!!!

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