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khaz 01-01-2008 4:58 PM

I took the new camera out today to the cliffs over at Torrey Pines. It was a hazy day, and some of the shots were taken back towards the glare of the sky. Is there any way to help the lighting of the picture come out a little less bright in the sky, and keep the color of the cilffs? <BR> <BR>I am going to take a class during the summer, but I am trying to learn as much as I can before then.

Walt 01-01-2008 5:00 PM

Lets see the photo.

khaz 01-01-2008 5:23 PM

Here you go<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531187.jpg" alt="Upload">

khaz 01-01-2008 5:25 PM

Took the same view in B/W. Any thoughts? <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531190.jpg" alt="Upload">

Walt 01-01-2008 5:36 PM

You had some pretty funky settings on that pic. <BR>ISO 400 <BR>SS 4000 <BR>AP 3.5 <BR> <BR>Try to keep your ISO as low as possible and go from there. There's really no reason to shoot this shot @ ISO 400 and 4000 shutter speed. You could of come down to ISO 100 and brought your shutter speed down appropriately according to your light meter. <BR> <BR>Anyways, <BR>The problem is you can't expose the foreground properly without blowing out the sky or if you expose the sky right the foreground will be underexposed. There are times that you can help this with fill flash but this shot isn't one of them. <BR> <BR>The only other options that I can think of would be to take three different raw shots and do a HD shot in photomatrix or photoshop.

Walt 01-01-2008 5:40 PM

You might be able to bring back some of the highlights in photoshop by making a copy in layers and merge two shots also.

Walt 01-01-2008 6:08 PM

here's a example of what you could do with it in photoshop. <BR> <BR>I took your photo and made a copy of it in photoshop layers. On the copy I tried to bring out the sky but in the process the foreground gets to dark so I then erased that part before I flattened the two together. <BR> <BR>Here is the layer that I tried to bring the sky back. <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531196.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>This is where I started to erase the dark layer to bring back the foreground. I left some of the dark layer for you to see what's going on. <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531197.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>Keep in mind that was a down and dirty job and it could of been made much better.

dakid 01-01-2008 6:23 PM

i'm not as advanced w/ ps as walt, so this is the best i could do. bumped up the saturation, adjusted levels and curves, and voila'. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531206.jpg" alt="Upload">

khaz 01-01-2008 6:38 PM

Ok, I need to dive into the programs now. I had no idea you could change these pictures that easily. Coming from a 35mm, this should be a lot more fun.

littleblightie 01-01-2008 9:35 PM

If you have Photoshop CS3, you will also have the "Open As..." function, where you can open a JPEG as a RAW file... Doing this I cahnged exposure down to -3, to properly expose the sky, then bumped "Fill Light" all the way up, to expose the foreground... While this is a less ideal way to do it compared to doing a few exposures and combining, it's not a bad "after thought" solution... <BR> <BR>Mind you using a resolution original such as here will show up JPEG artifacts, seen in my example... <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/531239.jpg" alt="Upload">

peter_c 01-01-2008 10:17 PM

I do believe the camera has a setting to automatically correct for major contrast changes. I know my Nikon D300 does.

richd 01-02-2008 5:22 AM

That would be a good candidate for HDR. <BR> <BR>I wonder how long it will be before DSLRs have smart highlite/shadow processing built right into them (No offense Peter but I don't think the D300 is capable of what Walt/Joe have done above) <BR> <BR>Fred Miranda's Velvia Vision plug in for CS3 will do a number on a shot like that as well.

peter_c 01-02-2008 9:54 AM

Rich, I have not really played with the feature yet, as I only just got my camera. Here is what Nikon has to say about it. It is called Active D-lighting. <BR><a href="http://www.nikonimaging.com/global/products/d300/expression/page4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nikonimaging.com/global/products/d300/expression/page4.htm</a>

cmawsr 01-02-2008 5:48 PM

A split nd filter will also help here.

richd 01-02-2008 7:29 PM

It would be cool to see shots with and without that feature turned on. Now that I think about it my 1DmkIII has a similar feature designed to hold highlites in wedding dresses but I don't think it will deal with extreme contrast differences like those above.

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