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gehennaengine 07-27-2007 10:45 PM

My first attempt at shooting from the boat. I appreciate any critique or critisism. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nortecphoto/sets/72157601049100942/show/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/nortecphoto/sets/72157601049100942/show/</a> <BR> <BR>Linking so I don't have to resize too much for posting.

deuce 07-28-2007 2:05 PM

Wow that kid can ride! <BR> <BR>Nice photos Jed.... Love the one on the other thread... Nice riding Ryan.... <BR> <BR>Let’s hook up soon. Boat is back, needs some hours....

gehennaengine 07-28-2007 5:49 PM

Thanks, E.J. I'm glad you were able to get the SAN running without too much trouble. I'm down for a trip up to Jordanelle sometime.

ladythump 07-28-2007 6:38 PM

I think your photos came out great. The only suggestion I would have (and I am in no way a professional) would be to zoom out a little more sometimes and get more of the wakes.

ryan_shima1 07-28-2007 8:03 PM

Thanks Jed for the pics and EJ for the compliment. Let me know when you plan on going out again, it's been too long since I've ridden with you.

gehennaengine 07-28-2007 8:17 PM

Thanks for the comments Ronia - I think you're right on with the agressive crop. <BR> <BR>Anytime, Ryan. Taggart was talking about heading out again Wednesday, if you can make it up North again. Maybe I'll see if I can con a drunk fisherman (or that lady in the marina) into using their outboard for a chase boat.

ryan_shima1 07-29-2007 12:04 AM

That would be sweet! I'll be in touch about Wed, shouldn't be a problem to get out that evening...I hope<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0>

gehennaengine 07-30-2007 6:58 PM

Well, I was hoping to get a few pointers and feed back on these. Rich, Walt, Isler....? Bueller?

Walt 07-30-2007 7:19 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Bueller?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Jed, <BR>Your doing great on a lot of the stuff like focus, exposure etc. (some of the better shots I've seen posted on here as far as that goes) <BR> <BR>I agree with Ronia that you shooting to tight. You loose all perspective when you shoot tight. <BR> <BR>Good job in capturing the grabs too. <BR> <BR>If you really want to see the quality of your shots go up you need to get out of the tow boat and find better angles.

gehennaengine 07-30-2007 7:45 PM

Thanks, Walt. Next time, I'm going to watch the crop and try to round up a chase boat or brave the horse flies on the west wall that shows up in some of them. I appreciate the feedback.

scott_a 07-30-2007 10:01 PM

...well the exposure is spot on because he's shooting in Shutter Priority, and the focus is spot on because he's shooting at 500 ISO...meaning the sensor is sensitive enough that the camera has to close down the aperture to f8 to properly expose the shot.

gehennaengine 07-30-2007 10:17 PM

Scott, I used shutter priority to avoid motion blur and a higher ISO to get a small enough aperture to maintain a DOF that would keep as much of the rider in focus as possible. I shot in RAW and over exposed a little, then knocked it back down in Aperture during PP. <BR> <BR>Is any of that incorrect in your opinion? I'm using what little I know here so I'm open to whatever suggestions you guys provide.

scott_a 07-30-2007 10:40 PM

In most cases, any shutter speed over 1/1000 should stop the action. I'd shoot at ISO 100 just to keep the files clean, though you should be fine up to 800 ISO since you're using a 30D. But what you're looking for is to shoot at f4 or so. This should give you enough of a depth of field to keep the rider in focus if they're doin a raley, but still shallow enough of a depth of field so that everything else is blurred a bit. This will make the rider "pop" out of the background and draw more attention to them (which is what you want, right?). <BR> <BR>The whole "overexpose in the camera, touch it up in post" thing is personal preference, though I'm not a fan of that method. The reason for this is that if you start overexposing shots and blow highlights then there's no way to bring them back in the computer. If you shoot everything so that it's properly exposed, you'll have a better chance at not blowing highlights, though the highlight recovery algorithms are quite good nowadays. It's really up to you. Again, it's personal preference. <BR> <BR>In the end whichever method of shooting that you choose is up to you. I prefer to shoot in manual mode since it gives me complete control over my equipment, but if you are getting good results out of Shutter Priority then go with that. My post wasn't a slight against you, rather it was aimed at what Walt said about your focus and exposure, since those were basically decided upon by your camera.

Walt 07-31-2007 5:47 AM

I agree with Scoot that you really should be shooting on Manual. Using AV or TV when your getting started is a ok place to start but try to work your way up to shooting every thing on manual.

gehennaengine 07-31-2007 6:40 AM

Thanks, guys.

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