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neller0414 06-04-2007 11:27 AM

ok this sounds so stupid asking this...but my god, i can never get comfortable going toeside! i mean im pulling 180's, 3's, backrolls, tantrums, grabs, but all heelside cause i just flat out suck at toeside! <BR> <BR>heres what ive been trying to do...pull the rope towards my rear hip, cut in meduim hard and try and stay on the edge. as im in the air, i feel like i am falling back. when i let my arms out in front more, i fall forward. any tips on how to correct this? i mean im clearing wake, it just feels so uncomfortable and im extremely inconsistent on landings so i refuse to try ANYTHING toeside yet, but im stompin stuff all the time hs... <BR> <BR>help if u can, thanks!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3184/457686.gif" alt="Upload">

liquidmx 06-04-2007 12:46 PM

I have taught a few people and the three biggest helps were: <BR> <BR>Handle as close to the lead hip as possible, period! Note, it takes a few sets and days to build that front shoulder muscle up enough to do this well. <BR> <BR>To help further with handle placement and body position I tell them to cut out really far so they get a little bit of slack, put the handle on their lead hip and roll their shoulder over the handle and down the imaginary rope beyond the handle. At this point you should almost be facing the wake 10-20ft farther back than where you will hit it. You may break at the waist a bit, this is normal for TS jumps. <BR> <BR>All your weight on your back foot to start. As you progress and learn more tricks you can adjust your weighting, but all the weight on the back will keep things simple and easy to start. <BR> <BR>What I did when I was struggling with toeside was to watch videos and emulate a pro's ts cut. I dont know what videos you have, but IMHO Phillip Soven has a great TS edging technique. <BR> <BR>Good luck with it. When done properly you should have plent of control in the air and landing. No rolling down the windows etc.

kikitlo 06-04-2007 6:08 PM

One thing that I found that helped from the book is do not bend your knees to start with. Keep them straight. I started doing it this weekend and was landing them consistently. Give it a try

steve_jones 06-04-2007 7:51 PM

Practice cutting out on your toes like you are setting up for a heel side jump. Cut out, and then drift back to just outside the wake. Progressively build this cut up until you are comfortable with it and using a proper body position. This is the EXACT same cut you use to cut in and jump ... but on the other side. <BR> <BR>Then do what Matt said above. He know's his stuff. We were just chatting about this a couple weeks ago at Shasta. We taught two people and now they have it dialed.

neller0414 06-05-2007 4:33 AM

i was out last night behind my friends wakesetter consistantly hitting toeside pretty good just not clearing the wake much, and then we switched to my launch which has a much larger and rampier wake...and i am feeling comfortable now hitting the wake, i have the rope at my hip, etc...so thats good, but now im having a problem staying level in the air, i seem to lean way back and land on my tail pretty bad out in the flats. should i be letting the handle out in front of me once im in the air, or just work on my pop off the wake so that it doesnt send me leaning back? part of me wants to just start spinning and doing frontrolls off of it because i feel like i would have a better chance of landing that then just w2w, but i really wanna get the basics down consistent. i almost feel like if i landed switch it would be easier! <BR> <BR>also, should i be cutting out slightly farther ts than my hs so that i can develop the edge slower and easier? i only cut out prob 10-15 feet on hs at most.

steve_jones 06-05-2007 10:17 AM

Nate; as you leave the wake off your back foot, keep the handle locked in and your tummy/core tight. Not crunched, just tight. <BR> <BR>When you are in the air, you can drop your back hand or grab the board for some stability. A little window rolling isn't normal, but is to be expected on the first couple TS jumps. <BR> <BR>Last question, yes; I do cut WAY out on just about any jump or invert so I can set a more progressive edge coming in (but the last 8 feet of the cut is the only thing that really matters). You don't need to and it could mess up your form, but I am lazy and drift through most of the beginning of any cut. <BR> <BR>Practice the TS cut a few times and re-read what Matt posted above. This is key. The reason you are barely making it on the Malibu is because the wake is wider and you have to do it clean to make it work right. You can "huck" across a more narrow wake. <BR> <BR>Also, it's cheating (kinda) but when you are in the air, tug the handle (again) closer to your body. This will shorten the distance you need to jump/clear. It's cheating but hey, you are learning.

liquidmx 06-06-2007 12:28 PM

Nate, you can also dump the weight in the back of the boat and or the wedge to create a rampier wake behind your friends bu. Usually when someone is learning toeside I typically dump all the weight until they are comfy going ts w2w at least 70ft back. Then once they feel good about it, add the weight back. This generally helps with progression as well. <BR> <BR>Personally, Steve had a rule that I adopted as well which is: if you cant clear the wake ts, weighted, at 70ft, you don't need the ballast; it will just create bad habits. But to each their own.

neller0414 06-07-2007 5:37 AM

so i was out all night last night again, and it was like hit or miss...a few felt great, i was clearing wake and everything, but then a few felt like crap...it feels like i land on my heel edge on the wake and since my board is pointing generally at the boat or at least more forward than a hs jump, then when i land the board slips out from under me since im on the ramp and causes me to slip out on my butt. its really strange cause it was really good a few times and really bad a few times lol. guess just practice, practice some more, and practice even more.

steve_jones 06-07-2007 9:16 AM

Nate, unless you are really focused on every single jump, one or two will just get away from you, no big deal. <BR> <BR>The key components of this trick are: <BR>Leave the wake off your back foot <BR>Keep the handle pinned to your lead hip <BR> <BR>Re-read all of the comments above, everything you need is here already. Without even seeing you jump, I can guess that the handle is getting away from you.

ronnyboy27 06-07-2007 1:09 PM

what you need is TOW. Time on Water.

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