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x_star05 03-03-2006 4:23 PM

Most of you know me already, and know that i own the Mastercraft X-Star with the paint job in it that my parents got for me. Back when i first got the boat i had some spider cracks located in the bow of the boat. They wereMost of you know me already, and know that I own the Mastercraft X-Star with the custom paint job in it that my parents got for me. Back when I first got the boat I had some spider cracks located in the bow of the boat. Mastercraft was notified about the problem as well as my dealer. These spider cracks in my opinion were pretty bad, and were in odd places on the boat. I could not think of anything that would or did put pressure on the boat in the location of where the cracks were taking place. The cracks were right in the bow, right where the corner of the cushions start turning. My dealer said that should not be happening, and obviously addressed the problem. Today I took the boat out, and realized that the spider cracks had re-appeared in the exact spot they first appeared and also in some other areas in the bow of the boat. When the spider cracks first appeared I was really concerned and told my dealer I wasnít very happy about them. I was told that if these spider cracks re-appear I would be getting a new boat. <BR> <BR>What do you guys think about this situation? <BR> <BR>Ironically, tomorrow my best friend is planning on purchasing a new x-star and duplicating my exact one. <BR>

robandrus 03-03-2006 4:32 PM

stay in school

humboldt9 03-03-2006 4:36 PM

My nomination for post of the year, and its only the beginning of March. Thanks, Ryan!!

iagainsti 03-03-2006 4:38 PM

Take it back and get a new one ! With the amount of $$$ that bad boy probable cost I would think MC should be kissing your arse. My 01' X-star had spider crack issues as well and so have other MC owners I've run into. I dont know what the deal is with MC gel ? All boats overtime will develop some sort of minor cracks but MC IMO seems to do it more prematurely then others.

kybool 03-03-2006 4:38 PM

I don't think anyone cares.

mikeski 03-03-2006 4:47 PM

Ryan, <BR> <BR>You are in somewhat of a difficult situation. First off like many of us (myself included) your dealer may not take you seriously because of your youth. Also, since your father is a successful doctor I would imagine that he has bigger things to worry about instead of spider cracks on his son's boat? Do you have an older boat knowledgeable person in your "crew"? Maybe a local friend or relative could give you some guidance in these situations. You may not realize that posting genuine questions like this in such a public forum may not be your best move. While I understand that you are just looking for guidance, your dealer may perceive this thread as bashing his product? If you cannot find somebody local to provide guidance I might recommend that you take it offline with a few trusted members from this or other sites that might be willing to help. Sometimes it's better to keep these issues between you and few others until it's resolved. <BR> <BR>Now, if you want my personal advice for what I would do if I were in your situation please send me a personal note to my e-mail address and I will be happy to provide it, but not in this public forum. My personal e-mail address is in my profile (just click on my name in the header). <BR> <BR>Mike (aka Mikeski)

wake4fun 03-03-2006 5:13 PM

Oh, No not Ryan. Ryan with your history you should have gone directly to your dealer with your dad, again. Most manufactures stand behind their warrantees and will send a specialist from the factory if the dealer can't deal with it satisfactorily. If I were a manufacturer and saw your post on a public forum like this I would be pretty disgusted. Too many people figure if they have a problem just go put it up on a message board and the manufacturer will go out of their way to contact you to shut you up. This just happened with a potential boat buyer at a show who came on and slammed a dealer for not bending over backwards and when contacted by the company president he disappears. Be mature, handle it professionally and I am sure everything will be taken care of to your satisfaction.

walt 03-03-2006 5:24 PM

Ryan, <BR> <BR>I think Mikeski hit the nail on the head with his advise.

boomerang 03-03-2006 5:36 PM

<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/288603.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR> <BR>Nuff Said!

iagainsti 03-03-2006 5:54 PM

I also agree with Mikeski that this issue would be better resolved one on one with dealer and not air'd on a public board. However, I still dont see the issue. You stated the dealer told you if the cracks reappeared they would replace the boat. So where's the problem ?

xaggie 03-03-2006 6:25 PM

We have the exact same issues with our '04 and MC is going to make it right. Let me know if you want the names and contact info of the people I have delt with. It's not "common" but they will help you out. Matt

biker_jimm 03-03-2006 7:06 PM

well you have a really nice boat i wish i could buy my son a boat that cost 90+k at 17 but i get the pucker factor just watching him try to back up 65. so like mike said your dad more then likely had alot on his mind other then your boat. <BR>personally no matter what the dealer does I would have a new boat and even if it was pro rated even if you wer happy with your boat. <BR>And if you were happy with it I would keep my new boat and if you were not i would smile my ass off until i had a new boat then i would sell it and make as much as possible, this could take some time though and you may even need to buy a new boat while this one sit's as you go through the process. <BR>If your dad was really proficient then you may just get a loaner to rack up hours on while your new boat is being built but if your post is at all honest then im sure you will be taken care of if your not taken care of this will get really ugly and it will be a very expensive lesson for you to learn but take it into adulthood with you and balance your dads 90k on all future purchases you make on it. <BR>Good Luck and stay }{APPY dont take no for and answer <BR> <BR>J

fogey 03-04-2006 6:04 AM

Listen to Mikeski. And stop posting about it, at least at this stage in the process. I don't say this because I don't care about your problem; in fact, I hope you get complete satisfaction. I say it because this is not the best way to get the resolution you want.

sp0tts 03-04-2006 6:31 AM

I don't think it's a big deal that he's posting the problem on here, it's not like he's bashing Mastercraft, he just wants to make sure his problem gets taken care of and he doesn't know how to go about doing it. This is something anyone who purchases any new boat would want taken care of. <BR> <BR>Ryan, as far as your problem goes, email Mikeski and listen to his advice, maybe even email Matt and ask him for a little more detail on what the process of what happened with his boat were (how many times was it to the dealer to fix spyder cracks, who made the decision to replace, ect.). Although I'm sure they might see this thread, I wouldn't go right ahead and contact Mastercraft. Contact your dealer and tell him the cracks have resurfaced, see what he says. BE POLITE, DON'T GET NASTY, that won't get you anywhere in this situation, but be persistent if need be. Try to get anything you can in writing (this will help if there are problems down the road). After you talk to the dealer, then contact Mikeski, or Matt or even Me, explain what went on, and go from there. <BR> <BR>Good luck!

mitchj 03-04-2006 7:15 AM

I would hook it up to a rental truck and back it right thru the front door of the dealership and get their attention in a hurry . Who cares how old this guy is or what his dad does for a living right is right. If you take it to them once and if they dont respond to hell with them its on !! I say post all you want . <BR> <BR>(Message edited by mitchj on March 04, 2006)

biker_jimm 03-04-2006 7:21 AM

This is a perfect example of life not being fare.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0> YOu have a great looking boat Joe. <BR> <BR> <BR>J

mitchj 03-04-2006 7:46 AM

J got that quote from Bill Gates . Thanx

dhr 03-04-2006 10:17 AM

If the cracks are in the corner of the seat bases it is because the gelcote is thicker in the corners and gel will get hairline cracks . <BR>Now builders are putting thicker gel to give the boat a better gloss the cracks are cosmetic

fullspeed 03-04-2006 10:45 AM

Ouch, I feel for you man! Sounds like a lot of people have had or has the same problem as you. This is a prime example that sometimes you pay for the name and not so much the quality of the product. I doubt that Master Craft is really going to give you another boat or even your money back. I would have your dad get an Attorney ready if I were you just in case. People pucker when they think they may have to go to court. It has worked for me, not over a boat. I own a Malibu so I don't have those problems, but it worked for me over property I was buying. <BR> <BR>Get your money and run. <BR> <BR>

damned04 03-04-2006 5:49 PM

Keep hassling the dealer about it, when we picked up the X2 in may 05 it had a hairline crack under a towermount and the cover head a tear in it. I stopped by my MC dealer 5 or so times during the summer and they did not have the cover or any information about repairing my hairline crack. It took me until my first winterization to get both taken care of. Just tell them you will give them a bad rep to potential buyers if they dont have you taken care of <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0> <BR>Im sure they'll take you seriously then

kvanderg 03-04-2006 8:16 PM

Why do you want the hassle? Hassles are for people on budgets<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>If your friend likes your boat so much he is going to copy it: <BR> <BR>1) Sell him yours at a really good price and let him duke it out on the warranty issue <BR>2) Get your dad to buy you a new Malibu 247. The 247 is a much nicer boat anyway. <BR> <BR>Just remember... a problem that money can fix... really isn't a problem... CANCER is a problem! <BR> <BR>

jcv 03-04-2006 9:00 PM

Kevin, don't hold your breath on Ryan converting to Malibu. He's got the bad Mastercraft salesman hand book memorized. Here's a blast from the past and one of my all-time favorite posts: <BR> <BR>"Here is why I went with MasterCraft... <BR> <BR>FACT 1 Malibu has 3 factories Ca, Tenn, Australia. <BR>#1 boat manufacture in 03 or 04... Big deal 3 factories. They better make more boats than MC. Just Maybe they built a few extra just to beat them out. Think of that! <BR> <BR>#2 The Wedge... Great idea how come none of the PRO RIDERS use it. It distorts the wake. 1200 lbs of extra pressure on the stern. Seen many a photo with the stern torn out of the boat. NO FOAM BOAT SINKS GOOD BYE !!! <BR> <BR>#3 HOLLOW STINGERS with no steel backing any where in the boat. Stringers fill with water it does not evaporate. MC has a SERIOUS backing plate system. Every item in the boat has a backing plate pre-laminated in the deck or hull for support. <BR> <BR>#4 RESALE RESALE RESALE A MasterCraft resale will yield a 20-30 less depreciation than a Malibu NADA does not lie... look it up for yourself. A boat that is 2-4 years old.. thatís 4-7K back in your pocket making up more than the difference in initial purchase price. NO SPIN ZONE HERE <BR> <BR>#5 A MC is built to a more exact standard than a Malibu. Cutting a hole with a saw in the bottom of the boat leaving RAW exposed fiberglass so you don't need to align the shaft to the transmission...who came up with this ingenious idea? Why no HYDROPHONIC DAMPENING box the Malibu's V DRIVE BOATS...any takers <BR> <BR>#6 What the heck do you need a 5 1/2 gauge for anyway. If you cant read a 3 1/2 in gauge you shouldnít be driving a boat in the first place. <BR> <BR>#7 GORILLA FINS.. Why doesnít a Malibu turn without these things? Compare a X-2 with full ballast in a hard turn with hard throttle...the boat turns. A Wakesetter rocks and rolls even with the over sized fins. Those things are a PATCH job on something that does not work. Why are they screwed into the bottom vs. though bolted. Why are there 6 screws in the strut vs 8 on a MC that are though BOLTED...ANSWER IT COSTS LESS <BR> <BR>#8 A Mastercraft is built to more exact standards. It does cost more to hand lay glass 100% in every part. It cost more to have a different deck on a open bow boat vs a closed bow. Did you know that a Malibu OPEN bow Response LX is the SAME hull...Malibu takes a stencil and cuts a HOLE in the closed bow boat to make it a OPEN bow then ads the interior. Less expensive yes!" <BR> <BR> <BR>Ryan, am I correct in saying Mastercraft hulls have a lifetime warranty? If it were me, I'd just keep having the dealer do patchwork fixes--which I'm assuming are free--and if anything more severe happens, you're covered. It would take a lot of spider cracks to damage the integrity of any of today's boats, but, if something bad were too happen--or if they became too big of an eye-sore--I'm sure MC would give you your choice of boats as a replacement. The new X-2's, X-15's, and X-45's look really good. <BR>

supra 03-04-2006 10:25 PM

I beleive MC will take your boat back and give you a new boat. Tell your dealer that is the only solution that you will accept.MC is great on customer service to replace boats due to minor stress cracks.Since this is what mc is going to do let me say congrats on your new 07 X Star .<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by supra on March 04, 2006)

kvanderg 03-05-2006 6:43 AM

Ya... lets test that MC service... insist on a brand new 2006/2007 Xstar replacement due to a small cosmetic problem on your 2005... with no extra money on your part (of course) and lets see what happens<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>I'm tellin ya right now... they are obligated to fix the problem. If that cosmetic problem pops up every year... they will fix it for you... just bust their balls a bit if you have to; however, there will be no new boat though... unless it is a serious safety related issue or your dad is Tony Soprano<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/angry.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>As far as MC being the only boat to buy... its always smart to have an alternative... so find a way to at least kinda like another brand... that way you wont be stuck buying crap for the rest of your life<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>

auto 03-05-2006 6:49 AM

Have to love the thread, almost had forgot about Ryan the drama master, good to see the cheap entertainment is back.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

kvanderg 03-05-2006 7:03 AM

What is that big box looking thing on the back of the xstar... you know just below the swim platform? <BR> <BR>The batmobile never had that... so MC didn't get the idea from there... so whats up?

jcv 03-05-2006 7:34 AM

I agree with Kevin. Unless the hull integrity is compromised, getting a new boat is a pipe dream. Just keep having your dealer cover up the cosmetic blemishes. Everyone has an issue or two with their boat--even though few would admit to it. Minor problems (and sometimes major problems if you're unlucky) go hand in hand with boat ownership, so a few spider cracks isn't that serious, all things considered.

deneng 03-05-2006 9:53 AM

I don't understand why everyone here is telling this guy that it is normal too have a few spider cracks on a 05 boat. Maybe i'll stick with my 20 year old boat . Is this something that happens too moat or all new boats within the first year?

jcv 03-05-2006 10:17 AM

i've never had any spider cracks on my boat, so maybe they're more serious than i assume them to be. so, for those of you who have experience with spider cracks, what are the long-term negative effects other than appearance?

kvanderg 03-05-2006 10:33 AM

Dennis, <BR> <BR>We are not saying it is normal... we are just advising young Ryan to be realistic and not expect a new boat over some spider cracks. Even if you took it 2 court with the best lawyer in the world... you would NOT get a new boat. <BR> <BR>If it breaks an its under warranty they are legally obligated to fix it. From there 1 of 4 things will happen: <BR> <BR>1) They refuse to even attempt a fix. This should be able to be remedied within the confines of the legal system. <BR> <BR>2) They fix it, but not to your satisfaction. Even if it is a yearly problem... if they at least attempt to fix it and you do not lose significant use of the boat... your SOL. Look into a possible "lemon law" for boats. <BR> <BR>3) Fix it to your satisfaction. Problem solved. <BR> <BR>4) Avoid the problem and trade it off. Make sure the person who takes the boat is aware of the spider crack problem... or you might come full circle and need a lawyer again. A problem that money can fix isn't really a problem. <BR> <BR>I have spider cracks in the gelcoat on my 2005 Supra... you have to look hard to see them... but they are there. That and a few other issues led me to trade it off on a 2006 Supra... not because I think Supra is the best... but because I get the best service there. <BR> <BR>THE KEY TO HAPPINESS IS LOWERING YOUR EXPECTATIONS... If you can't do that... DONT... for the love of god... dont buy a boat<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>For those people out there who think their brand is VASTLY superior to the next best brand... SHAT UP!

kvanderg 03-05-2006 10:43 AM

As far as I know... spider cracks are just in the gelcoat and will not propogate thru/into the hull/glass. They pose no structural threat whatsoever, are purely cosmetic and thats what makes this one a tough fight to fight... if your goal is to get a new boat out of the deal. <BR> <BR>If Ryan is looking for a new boat... I would say his best odds are to get his dad to buy him a new one... not MC.

faceplanter69 03-05-2006 10:52 AM

Danny Starnes Did MC wrong you in another life time? I've lurked on this site for years off an on and really wish they had an ignore button for some of the posters. You rank in the top 5 for sure. <BR> <BR>Kevin <BR>" Get your dad to buy you a new Malibu 247. The 247 is a much nicer boat anyway." Did you look at the 247? It's the worse boat in the Malibu line up. My dealer said the reason they have so much room in the cockpit is the boat couldn't get on plain until they moved as much weight forward as they could. Hence the bow being smaller than my V-ride. As much as you post I question how much you really know about boats? <BR> <BR>Ryan <BR>you complain way too much. If I was your dealer I'd just wash my hands of you. I've worked with fiberglass and gelcoat for years. It's not like painting a car. Gelcoat cracks can happen to the best boats, it's not an exact science. The fact that you had yours custom painted probably means MC won't cover you. I wouldn't either. Once you start custom painting your gel coat it goes from being an every day wakeboard boat to a "show boat" that should be looked at but not touched. <BR>

jcv 03-05-2006 11:02 AM

Paul, you spent the time to create an account just to try to piss off as many people as you could? That really says a lot about you man...

faceplanter69 03-05-2006 11:07 AM

Jeff I didn't piss you off did I? <BR> <BR>I just wasn't aware that the amount of posts that you have is a direct correlation to how much you know about boats.

jcv 03-05-2006 11:14 AM

no, you didn't directly piss me off. i've just seen enough one post wonders doing their best to incite rioting this boat show season. <BR> <BR>i only saw insults in your post, not much "knowledge". <BR> <BR>a 25 foot boat that's hard to get on plane isn't exactly breaking news. i think most people would prefer more cockpit space over bow space anyway

kvanderg 03-05-2006 11:44 AM

Paul, <BR> <BR>Sounds like we both have opinions... <BR> <BR>1) I looked at the 247... I think its nice. there are a few people on here that have 247's and think they are great. <BR> <BR>2) You dont like the 247 and your dealer doesn't like them. <BR> <BR>Sounds like a draw... no need to get your panties in a bunch over it<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>You brought my intentions, knowledge and experience into question; therefore, I feel I have the right to respond: <BR> <BR>1) Do I like MC,CC and Svfara? No. <BR> <BR>2) Do I like Malibu, Supra, Tige and Calabria? Yes. <BR> <BR>3) Do I know a bunch about boats? Yes... I have been around them my whole life... I am 38 years old... I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering... I used to be a welder and a mechanic before going back to University and have built from scratch, rebuilt, restored and painted enough stuff to be in the know. <BR> <BR>4)Do I know everything about boats? No. <BR> <BR>5)Have I ever been wrong? Yes. <BR> <BR>6)Am I wrong now? Not likely<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>So... Paul... did you sign up on WW today to contribute or just make yourself look like a fool? <BR> <BR>I know how you can redeem yourself... since you sound like you know a thing or 2 about fibreglass, why dont you make a +ve contribution to this thread and answer Jeff's question regarding spider cracks? <BR> <BR>If not I would SHAT UP and stick with reading and not posting<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Cheers<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0>

jcv 03-05-2006 11:46 AM

Paul, I could care less that you called out Danny and Ryan. They've already made their beds with a history of bad-mouthing and, often times, irresponsible posts and should expect people to resent their input. But, frankly, Kevin has made some pretty logical statements thus far, such as: people buy boats expecting everything to be perfect and for nothing ever to go wrong, but that's NEVER the case (they are boats after all). You have to expect a few little inconviences and handle them like adults with your dealer. And cosmetic issues will rarely--never is more like it--result in you getting a new boat at no cost. Sounds pretty reasonable to me and is certainly no reason to question his knowledge regarding boats and dealing with service departments. <BR> <BR>As far as you calling the 247 "the worse boat in the Malibu line-up", I'd rank "my dealer told me..." just barely above "all my friends have Mastercrafts with engine problems" and "my cousin's boyfriend has a SAN that's a lemon" on the credibility scale. I'd be much more willing to listen had you test drove the boat yourself and been in other boats of similar size to compare (or atleast had some concrete facts as to why the back end is more heavily weighted than most or as to which engines are too underpowered) rather than just passing on what you've heard through the grapevine.

faceplanter69 03-05-2006 11:54 AM

Maybe I just finally thought something had to be said. Danny hates MC for some reason? I check the site once every couple of weeks and it seems like every time I click on a post he's slamming MC for some reason. I guess I missed his first MC post where they pissed him off? <BR> <BR>Jeff <BR>Did I upset you over the 247 comment? As for the 247, one of my best friends owns a large Malibu dealership. He also does a lot of consulting for some of the offshore racing boats that I've been involved with in years past as well so I value is opinion. He's going to sell a lot of these boats but the fact of the matter is, this hull was really not thought out very well according to him. It is a 25 foot boat, yes, however comparing the layout of other 25 footers you really notice how small the bow is and how large the cockpit is right? That was not how the original design was suppose to look like is all I'm saying. Some people really like how much room is in the cockpit area and this boat will really work well for them. I like my boats to be able to turn and handle well, which is why I'd never consider something like that. I'm sure most people don't care if their boat can turn, as long as it tracks well that's all they seem to care about. <BR> <BR>Sorry for the hi jack, we'll let Ryan complain about is Dads boat again.

kvanderg 03-05-2006 11:57 AM

Thanx Jeff... its always nice to get a little back up. <BR> <BR>

jcv 03-05-2006 12:05 PM

Paul <BR>Okay, but I'm confused though. You want a boat that turns and handles well, but you don't like the forward cockpit configuration? Obviously, no 25 foot ski boat is going to handle "well" in comparison to smaller boats, but I would think the large cockpit would move the center of gravity forward and that the 247 would, therefore, handle better than many similarly sized boats. So, if you had to choose a 24 foot plus boat, I would think the 247 would rank pretty highly on your list. <BR> <BR>I would like to hear your opinion on spider cracks though, since you do seem to have knowledge in the area. Is there anything to worry about beyond what your eye can see? <BR> <BR>(Message edited by JcV on March 05, 2006)

kvanderg 03-05-2006 12:20 PM

Jeff, <BR> <BR>Sounds like Paul took my advice about not posting... I guess we will never know<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Cheers!

jcv 03-05-2006 12:22 PM

oh well, it was a nice distraction from studying for exams

fullspeed 03-05-2006 5:02 PM

Ryan I agree with the guy that told you to sell your boat to your friend. If he is a close friend you may feel bad about selling him your problems, so sell it to him for cheap so you feel better about it. <BR> <BR>Next take your money and go buy anthing other than a Master Craft. There is so many boats out there that are better in my opinion. <BR> <BR>Yes I own a Malibu and this is my second one without any problems at all, but I am not telling you it is the best boat to buy. I am telling you that in my opinion any boat is better than a Master Craft. I would buy a Correct Craft, Tige', Supra, Centurion, Sanger and Calabria before I would buy a Master Craft. I have friends that have Master Crafts and they say they are the best, but both of them are selling their boats right now and one already bought a Nautique V211 and the other one wanting a VLX or San210. My buddies ballast system hasn't work correctly for the last 3 years he has had his Master Craft. <BR> <BR>Sorry to all that own a Master Craft that I may of pissed off. This is only my opinion and I am sure your boat is great, just not great to me. Good wake, but hell you can get a good wake with a Mobius XLV and still have money left over to buy a new truck to pull it with. <BR> <BR>Ryan get a razor blade and peel that Master Craft sticker off your trucks back window and move on to something better. Anything will do. <BR> <BR> Brannon

jlm 03-06-2006 10:21 AM

I guess he did get the boat... <BR>

sjmedic 03-06-2006 12:06 PM

Wow....Ryan hit some nerves again! I have ridden behind almost every boat named in this thread, and I have yet to see the "perfect" wake. You can manipulate ANY boat on this list, and I have ridden behind Sanger v210's with better wakes than X-Stars. If my daddy spent that much money on a boat for me....I think I would take it and shut up. If you want to be a pain for some dealership, by all means go to it. But anyone with some stones is going to copy every post you've made on this site, and give them back to you with a "why should I help you" look on their face. Your best approach, Ryan< is to maybe humble yourself, try to be a little human, and just ASK for the dealership to repair your boat. If you get no satisfaction, go elsewhere. Remember THERE IS NO LAW AS TO WHERE YOU CAN BUY YOUR BOAT!!!

jcv 03-06-2006 1:52 PM

howie, that pretty much sums it all up. ryan, talk to your dealer, not us, and, if you are respectful and reasonable in your requests, i'm sure they will do their best to remedy your situation. <BR> <BR>now, will someone please take this thread out back and shoot it?

boats4every1 03-06-2006 3:31 PM

Ok Ryan. Here is why the cracks came back in the exact same spot. Who ever fixed the glass the first time did not grind the cracks out and fill them back in with laid glass. The probably just put more gel coat over the cracks. I know this because I know how to repair fiberglass and have a friend who owns a fiberglass body shop. Just have your dealer take the boat to a shop that specializes in glass repair. Simple as that.

madchild1 03-06-2006 3:37 PM

gawd!! why are people soooo freakin' closed minded? mc is the best, blah blah blah... <BR> <BR>imho, mastercraft boats are tacky; too much show not enough go, cc are too old in design, svfara is....interesting, tige's are beautiful, supras [although i haven't ridden in one] i like 'em, not fan of moomba based on past experiences, sangers have always and still do have incredible lines but that freeboard need to upped just a bit!, 'bus have imperfections but they are still my fav. <BR> <BR>ryan, NO ONE CARES. <BR> <BR>my 2 cents.

mcx2ryd 03-06-2006 3:54 PM

Thought this thread was about how this kid can fix his boat. Not about what mfg. you think is better Mad Child!! Gawd....!! <BR> <BR><<delete>>

greg_mercer 03-06-2006 4:45 PM

Spider Cracks, overtime will keep comming back if the part that is flexing (causing the spider cracks) is not re-enforced. This can be tricky to do. If all else fails just try to cover them up with a decal or something. <BR> <BR>Even if you grind out the cracks then re-lay them with glass the cracks can still come back. <BR> <BR>

greg_mercer 03-06-2006 4:48 PM

Ryan - I noticed your from Baltimore. I'm just south of you in Columbia, MD. Where do you usually take your boat? <BR> <BR>

x_star05 03-06-2006 5:00 PM

Christpher, when I brought my boat to the dealer the first time to get the spider cracks repaired he did grind out the cracks. Now the cracks are back in the exact same spot where they first appeared and now are much worse and the spider crafts are appearing more in the bow of the boat. I have talked to my dealer who does not have a problem repairing them, but my issue is that I donít want this spider crack to re-appear every few month after they get fixed. This is a relatively new boat, and I donít think I should be running into these issuesÖ These cracks are no were near the tower (which would be a reason for the spider cracks). These spider cracks are appearing more and more in the bow of my boat which is really odd, and concerns meÖ.

phatboypimp 03-06-2006 5:13 PM

Damn, when did this site start having so much "hate" for each other. I remember when we could all get along. I hope this site doesn't become like every other one online where people are trashing each other all the time.

madchild1 03-06-2006 5:31 PM

there's no hate, just opinions USUALLY based on experiences. i think mc makes an exceptionally well built boat. in addition this kid gets a 100k boat, brags about it then complains because something relatively normal happens to it. i mean c'mon, cry me a river. if he is so well off, why not sell it and get another built, you know what i mean?

showtime 03-06-2006 5:51 PM

I personally believe he has a point. Not saying boats are being built any cheaper or better fot that matter. But is sorta funny, how my 12 yr old MC hasn't the first crack in the gel anywhere. I'm not a MC fanatic by no means. If i'm ever blessed enough financially to afforda new boat it will probably be a Mobius or Supra... It's it ridiculous what boats cost now-a-days for what the consumer is receiving. Boats aren't doing that much more than they were 15 yrs ago. I work for a mfg'r/corporation larger than most of these boat companies combined and I know what goes into research, and how various issues, whether mechanical or cosmetic are released before they should......To get back to the point, ryan, let the dealer repair the cracks one last time, and get in writing, if they ever come back etc... also, like others have said, somewhat humble yourself (don't let the dealer walk over you) be firm and demand a factory rep be notiifed. If I paid anywhere near that type of dough for a boat, cosmetic or not, I would have the issue taken care of, and would do all in my power to see it was handled. (correctly and in a timely fashion)

faceplanter69 03-06-2006 8:53 PM

Kevin I'm not even going to get into it with you. Shakes head. Didn't someone recently call you out about posting on every topic? <BR> <BR>Jeff <BR> <BR>Spider cracks can happen for any number of reasons. The gelcoat is much softer than the fiberglass that it sits on. To answer your question there is a 99% chance that it's only cosmetic. Most cracks found on fiberglass boats are gel coat cracks commonly known as crazing. They can appear as a single line, a series of parallel lines, or a spider web originating at the center of an impact. It is caused by an impact, or stress with enough force to crack the surface, but not the glass beneath. The crazing can also be caused by the rapid heating or cooling of the gelcoat. This is why dealers wait until the temperature gets above 40 to bring a delivered boat into their shops. The gel coat forming the finish surface is pigmented resin about 15 thousands thick. Since there is no glass reinforcement in this surface, it is more susceptible to crazing than the fiberglass under it. It is not necessary to repair crazing, except for appearance. To make a repair, the cracked gel coat is ground away down to the fiberglass and filled with gel coat which is then sanded flush and polished. In the case of multiple crazing it may be easier to grind off the gel coat in the entire crazed area and re-spray a new layer of gel coat. The area is then sanded flush and polished. Scratches and gouges can also be repaired with gel coat by filling the area, sanding flush, and polishing. <BR> <BR>If the fiberglass under the gel coat is cracked, the gel coat will have a wide separation as opposed to a hairline crack. The gel coat should be ground off with sandpaper to expose the fiberglass. If the fiberglass appears dark, it is sound. Any glass that appears white is damaged and must be removed. The depression or hole is filled with new fiberglass and gel coated. <BR> <BR>Just a side note Kevin. I've forgotten more then you'll ever know about boats. Did you decide which boat to get? The 21V or the 24 footer? Most intelligent boat buyers actually drive and ride behind a boat before you drop 60k on one. Unless you flew stateside I'm assuming the water is still frozen where you are. Makes it tough to test drive a boat doesn't it. At least if you buy a 24ssv you will have bought the boat that can run circles around the 247. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>

x_star05 03-06-2006 9:22 PM

paul, thanks for that explanation. What is your opinion about these spider cracks re-accruing after getting fixed correctly and properly? Is this normal if the spider cracks were fixed correctly and re-accrue in a short amount of time and when they re-appeared they are appearing worse. I have not hit anything, and am confused on why these cracks are accruing in the bow. If these cracks are from stress, this boat(x-star) has been out for a few years now. You would think that this would have been a problem with previous(03,04 x-stars) and mastercraft would have put more support in the bow to resolve this problem. <BR> <BR>I am just concerned, because as I mention before this is a relatively new boat and havenít really heard about this issue accruing on other boats. My friends with x-stars have never had this problem, and my other friends with Malibus and nautiques have had no spider cracks that they are aware on there boats. Im NOT bashing mastercraft because I LOVE my boat, and would buy another mastercraft any day of the week. Iím also not saying boats donít ever get spider cracks, but I think its odd that they are appearing in odd places. As I mentioned before, if these spider cracks were coming from where the tower is bolted to the boat, I would understand what is causing themÖ. <BR>

uga33 03-07-2006 5:17 AM

Ryan, keep us posted on what happens to correct the problem.

projectely4 03-07-2006 5:41 AM

i would think these cracks are not from stress. our family had a 04 X-Star that we used mostly on frsh water lakes but living 5 minutes from a brackish river and the tampa bay we used it once in a while out in rough waters with continous chop with wave heights much bigger than the double up rollers the x-star has. and we had no signs of stress cracks so it is not from a lack of support. <BR>im sure your dealer will be able to fix and you are definately handleing the problem alot more mature than most people on this board would. <BR> <BR>

uga33 03-07-2006 6:23 AM

The fact that the spider cracks are happening in the same place would have me a little concerned.

rson 03-07-2006 9:21 PM

Just posting so that I can be a integral part of the "Crappiest thread of the year"

kvanderg 03-08-2006 6:50 PM

Paul Quote: "Kevin I'm not even going to get into it with you. Shakes head. Didn't someone recently call you out about posting on every topic" <BR> <BR>Dont be so lazy... if you are going to smear someone... at least do your homework and post the original quote<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>The only person I remember hacking on me for posting too much was a Svfara dealer who didn't like my opinions on Svfara? Other than that... I had one bad post... it was actually about the 247. I felt a little <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0> about that one. Everyone makes mistakes though... I made one... and I admit it. Ya might want to try it out yourself one day<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Paul Quote: "I've forgotten more then you'll ever know about boats" <BR> <BR>If thats the case... you certainly do know alot about boats and; therefore, I am sure we will all forgive you for shamelessly tooting your own horn like that without actually backing it up with some profile info, history, etc<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Paul Quote: "Did you decide which boat to get? The 21V or the 24 footer?" <BR> <BR>I did decide on a boat... If I actually thought you cared... I would tell you which one. <BR> <BR>Paul Quote: "Most intelligent boat buyers actually drive and ride behind a boat before you drop 60k on one" <BR> <BR>As I have explained on other threads... there are many reasons why Supra is the only boat I am prepared to buy right now... the unforunate part is the Supra dealer does not carry any stock... come thaw... there are no boats to water test. So... thats just not an option because I'm not prepared to buy a ticket, fly down and waste some guys time who is not going to make any money selling me a boat. <BR> <BR>I am in the fortunate postion that I make enough cash that I dont have to sweat a $60K boat purchase (I buy my boats cash)... so If I dont like it... I will buy another new one next year... no biggy<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Anyway... I honestly have to agree with Rich... this thread is crap. <BR> <BR>Just a side note Paul. Thanx for taking my advice about answering Jeff's spider crack question... now take my advice about not posting<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>

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wakeandsnow27 03-08-2006 10:47 PM

ahhh hahaha. kevin called someone out about "tooting their own horn" then goes on to tell us 60k is no biggie and "he pays cash". wow. I think you are a very cool dude to be that financially secure. <BR>get some decency, eh.

faceplanter69 03-12-2006 4:25 PM

What happened to Kevin's post where he promised us that he would never post again? He must have had it deleted. We could only be so lucky... <BR> <BR>Kevin wrote <BR> <BR>"2) Get your dad to buy you a new Malibu 247. The 247 is a much nicer boat anyway. " <BR> <BR>Someone posts a problem and you tell them to buy a different boat. That's the reason I called you out. Now see if you can take your own advice and stop posting.

auto 03-12-2006 6:08 PM

This guy hasn't learned a thing from last year, all you have to do is look at the title of the thread "pimped out"????? puhlease, maybe for a ghetto boarder<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

sjmedic 03-12-2006 8:11 PM

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fullspeed 03-12-2006 8:28 PM

I can't believe this thread is still going on. <BR> <BR>Ryan, Here is a great idea pour gas on your pimped out X-Star, light that S.O.B. on fire and while your add it throw this Thread in the fire as well. Drink a beer to your Spider cracked Pimped out X-Star if you are old enough that is and have your dad collect the insurance on it. <BR> <BR>Brannon <BR>PS I will even drink a few beers for ya.

smokedog2 03-13-2006 5:55 AM

LMAO <BR> <BR>Lots of fun here but it cut into my laps today. <BR> <BR>I wish I had found it last night while the wife was watching her chick flick. <BR> <BR>So many people so much frozen water. <BR> <BR>20 &amp; snow here next weekend. AUUUUUGHGHGHGHG <BR> <BR>SD2 <BR> <BR>I'm still going to the lake &amp; visit my boat. A Moomba without spider cracks (yes I too can be cruel).


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