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keenan 01-14-2006 9:44 AM

I am having trouble passing the handle on 360s. I am rotating just fine and landing it no prolbem, but when i try to pass the handle I end up with my arm fully extended and I can't pull the rope in to the small of my back. Any help would be appriciated.

mbrown 01-14-2006 10:46 PM

Pull the handle past you hip to the small of your back when you leave the wake, this will initiate rotation and the handle will be ready to grab. <BR> <BR>I'm no expert, but this worked in progressing a lot of the spins I'm attempting and still struggling to land with consistency. Almost there. Oh and buy a helmet!

fergie23 01-28-2006 11:39 AM

I have been having the same type of problems while trying to learn handle passes--arm ends up extended and can't pull the rope in. <BR> <BR>why a helmet? do a lot of people use one for 360's and other spins?

dan_forrest 01-29-2006 1:58 AM

Tracy, if you catch an edge on a 3 you will know why to buy a helmet.

fergie23 02-04-2006 1:12 PM

thanks for the helmet tip--haven't started trying 3's yet but hoping to soon and sounds like a good idea!

fly135 02-06-2006 8:36 AM

Try and launch off the wake towards the boat. Make your progressive edge towards the wake. Keep an edge on the board with your heels, but move your weight forward and over the board. Launch towards the boat working on getting vertical pop. Throw the spin after you leave the wake. This should reduce the tension

02-07-2006 8:34 AM

When you leave the wake you need to pull your handle to your trailing hip. This will get it into the small of your back so that you can reach around and grab it. The reason your arm is way it is because you are concentrating more on the spin rather than the handle pass. If you just pull the handle in the spin will come.

02-15-2006 7:42 AM

Yo, mabye if you guys are having trouble getting the handle try leaving the wake with your elbows locked into your hips. this should help you grab the handle. Leaving the wake with the handle close to your body results in a smaller distance to pull the handle. if you leave the wake with your arms extended you have to pull the handle a long way to get it into your back.

will5150 02-15-2006 1:11 PM

All good tips- I had trouble with it for 2 years!!!! I was edging way too hard and not going flat enough at the wake. Set up way out and drift into the wake- stay really centered on the board and give the handle a pull right as you take off. Keep you EYES ON THE BOAT as long as you can - this will help you stay on axis and not load the rope. Finally, DON'T let go of the handle until you've got it in your other hand. It's really easy to chicken out and let go only to find yourself coasting easily away from the wake having made the 3- been there, done that 1000000 times! Another tip is to try the 3 in the flats - if you can make it there, take it to the wake- and BUY A HELMET!!!! Catching an edge and crashing in a 3 is THE MOST PAINFUL thing you'll do- way worse than tantrums, rolls, or anything.

will5150 02-15-2006 1:13 PM

All good tips- I had trouble with it for 2 years!!!! I was edging way too hard and not going flat enough at the wake. Set up way out and drift into the wake- stay really centered on the board and give the handle a pull right as you take off. Keep you EYES ON THE BOAT as long as you can - this will help you stay on axis and not load the rope. Finally, DON'T let go of the handle until you've got it in your other hand. It's really easy to chicken out and let go only to find yourself coasting easily away from the wake having made the 3- been there, done that 1000000 times! Another tip is to try the 3 in the flats - if you can make it there, take it to the wake- and BUY A HELMET!!!! Catching an edge and crashing in a 3 is THE MOST PAINFUL thing you'll do- way worse than tantrums, rolls, or anything.

keenan 02-15-2006 10:21 PM

Thanks for all of the help.

02-21-2006 8:52 AM

wow.. i guess i'v been lucky. i'v been doing heelside and toeside 360"s for several years. i have never had a hard fall where i thought i needed a helmet. even during the learning phase. i just try to think pop/pull/pass and the worst thing that has happened is missing the handle.

will5150 02-21-2006 8:54 AM

You are lucky Markster- I've had two concussions without the helmet a few years back- both trying to spin - maybe I just suck!

02-21-2006 9:00 AM

will, when i learned them... i slowed the boat down to about 15 m.p.h. and spun them on the water. i think that makes all the difference. that way the muscle memory is grooved before you ever hit the wake.

kingskrew 02-21-2006 12:49 PM

I'm with you markster, I've had much worse crashes on hs bs 180's then I ever have on 360's (or 540's for that matter). I've never had a wreck period that I thought a helmet would have made a difference. I am more worried about blowing an eardrum than rocking my skull. <BR> <BR>As far as handle passes, really concentrate on (like markster said) Pop...Pull...Pass, one step at a time. I found that tramopline help was the biggest contributer to my consistency on handle passes. <BR> <BR>-Steve

will5150 03-03-2006 4:33 PM

Yeah - I should have done that when I was leaning the move- I can get the 360 now- most of the time- and when I do crash, it's no where near as painful. I still won't ride without the helmet- I like going to work on MOnday and remembering where to go..

socalf150rider 06-14-2006 5:22 PM

i never used a helmet but one time i had a freak accident where the board came off when i fell on a 3, it ended up hitting me in the head and spliting my head open. blood went all over the place all in the boat...everywhere. i ended up with a couple of stiches. but now i never ride with our a helmet


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