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hypo303 09-20-2005 6:32 AM

I've been trying a ts front roll and having trouble with the landing. My board will come down flat on the water but my butt and lower back is still on the water. Any suggestions? Do I need a faster rotation? Wendi <BR>

ladythump 09-20-2005 6:33 AM

Wendi, <BR> <BR>What kind of inverts are you landing already? We should get together and ride. Interested in coming out to the Illinois sometime? <BR>Ronia

ladythump 09-20-2005 6:33 AM

P.S.- Your husband and kids are invited too, of course.

hypo303 09-20-2005 7:43 AM

I would love to ride with you. I'm not landing anything yet but close......We have been only riding once a week...so it is really hard to get stuff down.... I'm still trying my back roll(sad to say that trick just doesn't click with me. I just recently started ts front rolls and feel more comfortable with it than the back roll. Just e-mail me......

09-20-2005 11:31 AM

I'm working on mine also and have the same problem, full rotation and the board lands flat, but I usually wash out on my butt. From what I have been told recently you really need to concentrate on getting over your toes, think about landing on your toes and push the handle down toward the board with your front hand(putting it in your back pocket is how my friend describes it).

stunt3342 09-20-2005 5:04 PM

Wendi and Scott, <BR>it sounds like ur leaving the wake to early. When i throw my frontroll i always wait until i'm at the tip of the wake, you should almost feel a kick at the top, then tuck your head like ur doing a frontflip and always try to overrotate the trick, this will put u on ur toes and just ride away. Good Luck

hypo303 09-20-2005 6:26 PM

Should I edge really hard at this trick? I have been edging pretty aggressively or can I take it <BR>like a regular toeside w2w jump?

stunt3342 09-21-2005 5:07 PM

No edge hard and stand tall when u edge in don't hutch over and just wait until u hit the top of the wake

hypo303 09-21-2005 6:41 PM

Thanks for the info.....Wendi

atlsackedup 09-22-2005 10:22 AM

Scott...where you describing your problem with a HS backroll or a TS frontroll?

09-22-2005 12:59 PM

frontroll, no probs with the backroll. unfortunately that is the only thing I'm not having any trouble with right now.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/angry.gif" border=0><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>

atlsackedup 09-23-2005 7:51 AM

Thanks Scott...I'm having similiar problems with my backroll as you were describing with your frontroll. On landing, I keep landing on my extreme heelside edge, and then slipping out and landing on my butt...then I drop the rope. I think I'm taking the roll too far away from the boat and maybe taking it too flat, thus landing like I left the wake. I think If I took it more up and really focused on driving my lead shoulder up and around, that I would get a more backwards cartwheel action (or rolling in a pipe motion) as opposed to somekind of off axis 3 gone bad with an overhead ole', which is what I think I'm doing now. <BR> <BR>Any suggestions?

livigno 09-23-2005 8:20 AM

Andrew, <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/talker.gif" border=0> make sure to cut progressively. Do not let off your edge. Stand really tall at the top of the wake. Keep the handle in close to your stomach - easier said than done, but very important. At the take off, look over your leading shoulder. Keep your eyes open! Do all this and you'll land 'em soon

atlsackedup 09-23-2005 9:33 AM

Oliver...great information, thank you for chimming in. When I initiate the roll, do I wait until I have completely left the wake, then look over my lead shoulder? Thanks.

09-23-2005 9:59 AM

sounds like you might be overrotating it. My friend is learning backrolls right now and has landed a few, but he sometimes has a similar problem. He throws it too hard and too early and washes out because he is flipping around too fast. Try throwing it a little later. You'll get more pop, flip slower and shouldn't over rotate. I had a hard time with them for a while and didn't really get them down until I actually made sure that I popped and then flipped. Most important thing is to just keep at it, you'll figure it out.

dr_inc 09-27-2005 8:37 PM

TS FR <BR> <BR>want a hard cut then at the bottom of the wake push up and "trip your board... try using your arms to throw yourself

melanie 09-28-2005 5:23 AM

Frontroll, edge in like a crazy mofo creating tension on the rope the whole while! <BR>HS backroll, stay holding on with both hands with your elbows tight by your side(as if they are attached to your side). Edge in this way and stay like that until you spot your landing. <BR>My only 2 inverts <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

11-16-2005 1:58 PM

hey there..... man if you are underrotating(landing on your butt) think about thowing 1 and a half flips....that way you will come over your toes more on the landing.... <BR> <BR>when coming in get on a hard edge for the first 3/4 of the cut then the last 1/4, flatten off your edge. at the top of the wake push "both"shoulders and your head down between your feet and think about the 1 and a half flips..... best of luck

stephan 11-18-2005 2:53 PM

This trick is best taken BIG. Seriously if you have a big wake &amp; don't mind coming in with a head of steam then you will boot it and come around no problem. Scarcrows are the same. Set up wide and just build a hard progressive edge, at the top explode up and through the wake. As you start to come into a crow, let go with your back hand and get over your toes. Granted I do Frontrolls more like an elephant than a true front flip, it looks way cooler and feels sick when you stall it out on the way down.

12-17-2005 12:24 PM

I just edge hardcore

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