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ponchevez 05-04-2005 1:00 PM

Can somebody please tell me what the rope length should be for beginners? Thank you

drewsky24 05-04-2005 1:51 PM

i learned on a 75ft. <BR>

sloshake 05-04-2005 1:54 PM

Just to get people up, the shortest you can attached to a tower creates a great angle that pops you right up! <BR> <BR>But in general start with with a short length till you can go w2w, then increase it in increments once you are able to go w2w (and a little beyond preferrably) at each length.

thane_dogg 05-04-2005 3:46 PM

what Gerald said is good, but I would say if the beginner isn't trying to clear the wake then you could put 'em at 100 feet. When we teach kids to wakeboard we usually put 'em really far back, then when they want to start jumping and clearing the wake, we pull 'em almost all the way in.

wake_upppp 05-04-2005 4:14 PM

100 feet?? What?? Yeah, put the beginners back in the curling over whitewash, they'll learn really fast back there!!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

thane_dogg 05-04-2005 5:51 PM

yo bro, that's past the white wash. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>pardon the exaggeration.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/triangle_down.gif" border=0>

addictedchick 05-04-2005 9:35 PM

I learned at 65 feet. I popped right up in a few tries.

wakehound 05-05-2005 8:30 AM

I like starting new people out a little farther. There's always going to be that one person who will try to clear the wake their first time out, and I don't want them casing the wake and hurting themselves. <BR> <BR>It also depends on how wide your wake is. My Sanger wake stays narrow farther back than my buddys Supreme for instance.

bigshow 05-05-2005 9:01 AM

Wakes are all 19.5 degrees wide, at least that's what Lord Kelvin said. <BR> <BR>Doesn't matter if your a aircraft carrier, Sanger, Supreme or duck! <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/227097.jpg" alt="Ships and 19.5 wakes"> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/227098.jpg" alt="Small Boat"> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/227099.jpg" alt="Duck 19.5 Wake"> <BR>

wickedwake 05-05-2005 9:05 AM

ROTFLMAO!!!!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

ponchevez 05-05-2005 9:20 AM

What about to start jumping?

wickedwake 05-05-2005 10:31 AM

Start jumping? <BR> <BR>Do you mean W2W or just one wake? <BR> <BR>One wake, we start em out a little further back, that way they can jump one wake without worrying about the other wake, and you have more room in the middle to practice "hop out" drills. <BR> <BR>W2W: Really just depends on the boat/speed, but We give them 60 ft until than can clear the wake, and then just keep feeding them line as they progress. <BR> <BR>Just keep the boat speed way down until they learn some board control mainly. Ive seen a lot of people that start out being pulled to fast (25!) eat crap a few times and then say "to heck with wakeboarding." Just keep it fun<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

wakehound 05-06-2005 8:42 AM

So Edward, does that mean that the wake 75' behind that aircraft carrier is the same width as my Sanger??? <BR> <BR> <BR>Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

jarrod 05-06-2005 8:50 AM

he means they displace at the same angle.

bigshow 05-06-2005 6:20 PM

Right same angle, the aircraft carrier is a bit longer than a typical Sanger so itís wake starts before yours and is wider by the time it clears the transom (I think thatís what is going on). I suppose there could be a similar length issue when comparing wake board boat, boat-wakes, but I doubt is would effect the wake width much. <BR> <BR>Thereís a lot of on-line wake shape discussion and rightly so since itís what make boarding so much fun and since some of us are paying dearly for it, some more than others. I was looking for a little more information on the dynamics of it all. I haven't found much, but what I have found is that the subject looks complicated - the more you learn the more that you realize that you don't know. <BR> <BR>Glad to hear I entertained. <BR> <BR>Later <BR>

wakehound 05-09-2005 10:55 AM

J-Rod do you think it's the same angle on the X-Star hull? I really don't know, but I'm guessing individual hull designs would affect that angle. Also, once you start dealing with a wider boat, the wake width will be affected, which was my point. <BR> <BR> <BR>angle != width <BR> <BR>Sorry if I came off harsh Edward, I had a bad Friday. Please accept my apology.

big_ed_x2 05-09-2005 11:32 AM

Every boat does NOT put off 19.5 degrees on the wake,nor duck or anything else for that matter. <BR> <BR>Perfect example.....Like Mark B said The new X star hull.you can not tell me that it is at 19.5 degrees angle and if the x star is...the other boats are not. <BR> <BR>Lord Kevin lied to you!LOL<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

bigshow 05-09-2005 6:17 PM

It's not the hull it's the water. The water under an X-star isn't any different than the water under a duck. The wake angle is a function of the fluid not the boat. I'll stick with Lord Kelvin on this one. <BR> <BR>Go boating in the Dead Sea, salt lake, a pool of cooking oil or pool of beer and the wake angle should change, sounds like a frat party. <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR>

hamkj 05-09-2005 10:14 PM

After teaching numerous youngsters... 4-10 yrs old... and some older riders 50-60 yrs old... I recommend light weight young riders an 80ft rope... they pop out of the water as it is... if they struggle.. then I shorten the rope.. just for the simple fact I can give instructions clearly from the boat... the longer rope softens the falls... and allows them to cut out further and give them a more gradual approach and land between the wakes and time to recover before going over the other wake... as they progess... then I go to the shortest length so they can start going wake to wake.... <BR> <BR>For larger or heavier riders... I shorten the rope to pop them out of the water quicker... and then the learning curve for jumping is the same... long.... then short....

big_ed_x2 05-09-2005 10:22 PM

that didn't make any sense.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0>

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