Levi,
This isn't a TIGE thread I was just poking fun at some of the ridiculousness of this thread and the garbage everyone argues about here. TIGE prices vary alot over the country. Here its more like this, loaded TIGE 80k. Loaded Malibu 90k. Loaded MC 100k. For their 22 foot boats. But again I was just poking fun at the thread You're right though I am a single college student who was thrilled to have gotten a vdrive boat last year after having a 20 year old inboard that barely ran for more than 20 minutes at a time. We got the boat we got 1 because it had good value and 2 because it had a wake shape that we knew we would enjoy because you're not Shelling out 100k for a party boat, you're spending it on a WAKEboat. That's my .02, if you're buying a boat specifcally to wakeboard behind then why wouldn't the wake be one of your top priorities... In terms of build quality theyre all pretty much the same, just different fit and finish. I'll keep my mouth shut about MC because I have an axe to grind. Oh well. Just look through all BS and enjoy boat shopping its a very fun experience |
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If the quality of the wake is your top priority, why did you buy a tige? I thought those boats were for surfing? I kid, I kid. :D |
For what it's worth, I've owned a VLX, an XStar, several 230's, an Axis A22 and several other boats. I never felt like my VLX was underbuilt, even compared to the 230's, which were manufactured using a drop in liner like the MC's pictured earlier. The only thing I didn't like about the VLX was that you couldn't remove the carpet. If I'm not mistaken, the Axis boats are also built utilizing a drop in liner design as well. Seems like there are several ways to skin a cat when it comes to hull/floor infrastructure, both of which work pretty well in the wakeboat context.
What's funny is that you never hear about people's stringers cracking or falling apart, or people having to take their boats in to get support pieces added to their stringers or floors (I'm sure it happens, but I'm not aware of any such cases with newer model boats). However, you do hear a lot of complaints about the new MC towers creaking, breaking and shaking. Seems to me that if you're paying a premium for a particular manufacturer's boat, it should do everything right. What's the point of having a 10k tower that doesn't work perfectly, or at least better than the cheaper alternatives? |
Have you checked out a Wakecraft?
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Yeah yeah. I hear you..... I can assure you that if you want a nice big wake out of one of those tiges, you'd have to add sacs or lead, just like with every other boat on the market.
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So sad that this every time I talk to someone form this dealer they are downing other makers with BS negative sales tactics. There isn't a wake boat maker out there that's 10 years behind anyone. |
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In the end, just like cars, some boats are going to run forever and some are going to have issues. This is true across all boat makers. |
I also had no issues with my power wedge or the floating wedge on my A22. Thinking back on it, I had a few small warranty claims relating to some stress cracks in the gel near the front grab handle things in the bow, and some interior pieces that pulled at the piping.
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In general I think people on this site put a little too much emphasis on having the perfect, pro sized wakeboard wake. That said you mentioned in your first post that wakeboard wake is very important so keep that in mind. That is crazy the Tige Z3 is more then a 23LSV. Kind of off topic but I wonder what the general pricing rank for the different manufacturer's is around the country when taking a similar size and optioned boat. I would think it would go 1)Mastercraft 2)Nautique 3)Malibu 4)Tige 5)Centurion 6)Supra 7/8/9)Moomba, MB, Axis It sounds like your area doesn't follow that though. At least not when you compare the X30 to the 23LSV and Z3. Seems crazy if it goes Z3, X30, 23LSV especially if the X30 and 23LSV are closer in price then the Z3 and the others. |
Chris, you have no idea who I am, why would you come on here and spout some crap like that. I have been at S&W for one year and have spend the past 12 years on the east coast selling boats. I never use negative sales tactics and I am a big fan of most of the manufacturers. I am just bringing some FACTS to the table about comparing the new X-30 to a VLX. IMHO, MC is building the best boats right now and yes, they are the most expensive. Whether the extra cost if worth the price is a personal decision.
Take some time to come in the shop some time and you will see that I do know what I am talking about and why MC was tied for #1 in CO this past year. FACT. |
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I spent a weekend in one and it was the worst "Wakeboat" I have ever been in. Fit and finsh was horrible, Wake was terrible, The side exhaust was annoying, It had very little power for having a great engine, The side to side wobble was rediculous. Everyone talks about how the engine hatch comes up for maintenace which I agree is a great feature but provides zero structural integrity and you can see the gap widen between the Hull and the Sunpad as you hit waves... |
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If the Malibu uses different methods in the VLX, but they don't fail, why does that make it lower quality? Do you have tests that show a 1-piece floor is stronger than a multi-piece floor, and that it has any impact on the longevity of the boat what so ever? It’s possible that the Malibu hull is designed in such a manner that it doesn’t need a larger stringer. Do you have the structural analysis results that show having a wider, flatter stringer in the MC results in a stronger hull assembly than the taller narrower one in the Malibu? Because if not, than you are just regurgitating the marketing BS. You say one approach is better. Fine, prove it. Should be easy to do. But when it comes to areas that are prone to failure, such as towers, then MC gets a complete pass. If Malibu is "10 years behind" in floor construction despite not having any problems than Mastercraft must be 20 years behind in tower construction. Everybody has seen the pictures of multiple broken power towers. Show me a picture of a VLX with a broken stringer or floor. Malibu sells thousands of boats each year, if it's such a problem it should be easy to find. http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...2225555257.jpg http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...2225555258.jpg |
Brett, look at the storage difference and the ease of cleaning. That is the major difference in the floor construction. No one ever said that it was inferior in regard to durability. These are two very important features that people look at when buying a new boat these days.
I would worry more about the Malibu kool-aid drinkers on here, apparently they have not actually seen what other manufacturers have been doing over the past 5 years. Tige is taking big bites out of their market share and I think they deserve it. |
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What comparison can you make between the x-30 and VLX, they are even comparable, this conversation is about the LSV and X-30, little fact for you, the LSV is the 23ft boat the VLX is a 21 ft. See how that worked, that is a fact.... Do I think MC makes a good boat, yes, do I think they have the best built boat, no. In fact after hours of research, years spent behind multiple models of boats, and years crawling through different brands I actually think nautique has the most solid build. Do I think it warrants their overly inflated price tag, No. Do I think it's sooo much better than Malibu, MC, or Tige, nope, just slightly, and not enough to over come some of the things I don't' like about them. Do I think MC's build is sooo much better it should be priced where it is, no, in fact I like the builds of the malibus better than the MCs I've been in. Also I think if you're wanting storage and deep freeboard the tige blows both MC and malibu out of the water. I've been in your shop multiple times, and every time I've walked out saying "I don't' care if they had the best boats in world, I would never buy from them". It's been due to conversation similar to what you've posted here. This is my passion, I don't just go to the boat shows, I go to the dealers, I demo boats. I'd say 90% of the posters on the boat forum are well educated on the subject, and ignorant statements like you've made here. You can't come to the educated wakeboat owner and try to sell them that MC is 10 years ahead of the competiton, because most of us have been on multiple boats and we know you're full of ****. So you were tied for the #1 boat sales in colorado, couldn't tell by how few MCs you see on our lakes. Like the other "facts" you put out, where is your evidence? Sad part is you could have helped your dealer by coming in here and just talking about MC, not dogging the other brands and thinking us ignorant. I know I'm in the market to buy a new boat after this year, and I know another poster here is as well, but you won't be on my list of dealers that I visit, and for good reason |
I was curious about the tied for #1 as well, pretty obvious who sells the most wakeboard boats in Denver when you go to the lake and it's not one of "the big 3".
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I also want to remind everyone that this thread is about a 2012 VLX and a 2012 X-30. I realized that a lot of you have a ton of brand loyalty and rightly so. Chris, you have an older VTX. It is an awesome boat and was ahead of its time back in '08, but 2012 is another story and things are changing in the industry.
Let me give you an example. I have always hated gasoline ford trucks and I would never own one. When they came out with the Ecoboost last year, they converted me from being a Chevy guy. When I did my research, I had to filter out all of the things that the Ford enthusiasts were telling me. All I cared about is what the Ecoboost people were saying because that is all I was interested in. That was the game changer for me. If I was picking between the Ford 5.4 and the Chevy 6.2, it was a pretty easy decision, but in 2011 it was the Ecoboost vs. a much more expensive Chevy 6.2. I chose the ecoboost and could not be happier. What mattered was who had the best product at that given point in time. The OP does not care about an 04-11 X-Star, the older MC Power tower, or any changes that the LSV has been through. He is asking about the 2012 LSV and X-30. If you go back to my posts, you will see that they pertain to the question at hand. |
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Chris, sorry to hear you had bad experiences with S&W. I hope that one day you give us another shot. I do not think I have bashed brands on here. Sorry about the "10 year old" comment. That construction process is much older than that and it does work well. Almost every other manufacturer has moved away from it over the past 8 years. It looks like Malibu is starting to as well, but they have not done it with the LSV yet.
Manufacturer totals are calculated by CO boat registrations. MC was tied with Tige for new units for 2011. I am a big Nautique fan. I had and '01 and '03 SANTE 210. Put 1300 hrs on the '01 and 500 on my '03 before I bought my first MB in '05. |
Chris, go to Tommy's and get a quote for a 23 LSV then come to my dealership and lets build a comparably equipped X-30. I bet you a lunch that there is less than a 5K difference.
I think a lot of people have the MC prices totally blown out of proportion. I had a guy come in that had been looking at an RZ2 last week. My in-stock X-25 was within 1K of his quoted price. |
I have quotes for a 2012 LSV and MXZ, like I said I'm in the market. I also have a quote on a Z3. Throw me a price on a reasonable optioned x-30
I've dealt with haggling with S&W on prices. I had a good friend the year before last in the market to buy an X45, and S&W wouldn't move from MSRP, they now have an RZ4. I've heard them bash slingshot when they pulled out, heard them bash MB, heard them bash Malibu, all in all nothing but bad, and I'm far form alone. I don't know many people who are big into the sport who have a lot of good to say about S&W |
No offense to anyone but this whole bickering back and forth about which boat is better than the other and all the other non sense is childish. Both companies build great boats and have for more than 20 years. The original thread was for this man to get information about differnt boats which was what this website was intended for. It happens like that on almost every thread I have read lately in which people bash are loyal to one company and then bash the other company or they throw in a company that thread was not asking information about. Most of the people on here are grown men so it's time they start acting like that and give this guy knowledgeable information that we all have gained throughout the years so that he can purchase a boat and enjoy it like we all do.
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I am a big Malibu guy but I really don't like how the storage areas in the MXZ are carpet because of the one piece deck. |
Look at the pictures on page 1.
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I am still not convinced the one piece deck is a "Stronger" way to build I am no Engineer however the floor in the Malibu looks like a more solid way to go... It looks like it takes more Labour to acheive the same result as well... Even the multi piece floor has to provide some structural integrity. |
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Last time I checked fiberglass molding wasn't exactly a real expensive process. I wouldn't be surprised if the one-piece floor was cheaper than the approach Malibu uses on the VLX/LSV. Afterall they use the 1-piece floor on their budget Axis line. Sea-Doo jet boats use a 1-piece floor too, does that make them higher quality than Malibu as well? |
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Let me ask you a simple question... what is the heaviest element in a wakeboat? If your answer is fiberglass, then you are correct. So if MC's fiberglass is 2x as thick as the competition, why aren't their boats 2x as heavy? The reality is some are heavier by a few hundred pounds, some are lighter. When I was shopping for my first boat in 2009, the local MC dealer showed me the hull plugs and laughed at me when I said I was considering an MB. Then a year later, that same dealer scored the MB franchise. Guess what... they don't trash MB anymore. Instead they sell 2 MB's for every 1 MC. How funny is that? So back to the original question... if MC's fiberglass is 2x as thick, how come an X-15 weights 3,575 lbs. and a TWB weighs 3,900 lbs? I have talked to a very experienced boat designer who has worked for multiple boat builders. He told me that "hull plug" trick is just that... a trick. MC selectively takes those plugs from certain areas of the hull... thick on the MC, thin on the competition. The entire boat is not that thick, and the entire boat on the compeition is not as thin as they show. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but most ignorant buyers assume the fiberglas thickness is the same everywhere. As I said previously, I have no axe to grind with MC boats. And I have no reason to defend Bu. I think both are sweet. But MC sales tactics really turn me off. And Alan hasn't done anything in this thread to change that perception. Lots of high level statements represented as "facts." Like saying that VLX hasn't changed in 10 years. That's not a fact. It's quite simply a lie (complete hull redesign in 2009, new tower in 2010). That's why I keep speaking up. I'm super sensitive to that crap regardless of brand. |
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I have to agree with others, you appear to be a true "salesman" that will bash other brands with false information to make your customer feel like they are getting a superior product. I am so pleased my dealer does not work the "smoke and mirrors" sales pitch, if they did, I would have been out the door and never looked back. |
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not sure if the 2012 LSV is carpeted floor and seat bases, but I really liked it in the older vlx's. The one piece fiberglass floor design does not allow for the carpet seat bases like in the supras, some malibus and I think moomba. I know there are pros and cons of the carpet, and now that I have a boat with fiberglass flooring with snap in carpet I am very happy with it. But I did love my buddies 07 vlx with carpet everywhere. The engine noise and vibration was noticably different than the same year xstar with the one piece fiberglass floor. It also feels more luxurious, more of a living room feel to it. He had the optional "carpet saver" on the floor that allowed him to pull it out and let dry so that he never got that mildew smell that is common with this design. Plus, the carpet saver just made the already plush floor even softer. I loved it and so did the wife. another buddy has the lsv with young kids and does not have the carpet saver. he says he can smell the mildew sometimes, I never have. there is noticable difference in interior engine noise and vibration in boats such as mine with snap/magnet carpet over fiberglass.
I am bummed that the trend is going to the all fiberglass design as I think the carpets pros way out weigh the cons. I too think that the one piece is cheaper, easier, and less labor intensive, and also do not believe that it makes the boat more "solid". all the 2000+ bus feel as solid as the 2000+ mc's i have driven. even my 98 tige with a built wood carpeted floor was super solid, even with 3200 lbs ballast. alan, you seem like a nice guy and have been handling yourself well the second half of this thread, even as you get lamb basted by these guys... but you unfortunately are a mc dealer/salesman, and you are now part of a company that has a bad sales reputation. I have experienced the same "nautique mystique" from mastercraft salesmen as these other guys, and many of my friends have too. Nobody I know, except for one guy who is the type that needs to have the "best of the best" has a mastercraft, and I believe it is because of the sales situation. every other boat company salesman that I have gone too usually speaks %80 about the boat we are looking at, there are slams towards other boat manufacturers, but very little. If you tell them of another boat you are looking at, they will show you where their boat is better, and of course, not show you where their boat is lacking. but man, walk into a mc dealership and it feels as if they are trying to get you to believe that every other boat company sucks, leaving you with no other option but to buy a mastercraft, even though you know very little about the boat you are looking at. it didn't work on me, or anyone else on my lake. the mc dealer is the closest to my lake, and i have not seen one mastercraft wakeboat newer than 06. i have seen an 09 ski boat of some sort, x-7 or x-9? hopefully you can take all this criticism with an open mind and maybe move your dealership forward and improve mc's reputation in your area. |
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You guys are unbelievable. I never once said that Malibus fall apart. I never said that the VLX is unchanged in 10 years. I never talked about hull thickness. I never used any sales tactics. Only my observations through working on or riding behind all of the different manufacturer's boats over the past 15 years.
IXFE, I expect better out of you man. Did I try to sell you an MC when you called me last Spring for advice? Did I give you some silly sales pitch? No and No. I recommended that you stick with MB. I do not use negative sales tactics. Believe me, I could, you would not believe the encyclopedia of pictures of MAJOR warranty issues that I have collected over the years. I do not, because I have chosen the be in the boat business as a lifelong career and I enjoy almost every minute of it. I had no idea 2 years ago that I would be selling MC's, but I am glad I am right now because they make a great boat. |
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Chris, Your are RIGHT! No boats are perfect. Every manufacturer has their share of warranty work.
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Alan,
You are a good guy, and we have always gotten along online. Usually we think alike. That's why your comments in this thread surprise me a lot. These are the statements that surprise the most. You can ignore if you want. Just thought you should know. "MasterCraft is a decade ahead of Malibu when it comes to how the boat is built." "Storage has always been a deal breaker for me with Malibu." "Don't forget about the Ilmor engines, they are absolutely stronger than their Indmar counterparts." "The X-30 is 500lbs heavier than the 23 LSV; it is pretty obvious where it comes from when you water test the two boats." "I am always bewildered but that lack of quality I see in Malibu's." "As a MC guy now, I am amazed that Malibu is priced anywhere close to MC." "Malibu and their dealers expect to sell them for $70-$80k without any major improvements over 7 years other than some fancy dash work and a power wedge." And yes, I did call you a year ago to ask about a leftover X-15 you had in stock (thanks for bring up private phone calls on a public forum... you are a real pro). If I recall the conversation correctly, you advised me that you could NOT sell me that boat even if you wanted to. It had to be two years old before you could sell out of territory. |
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These brand loyalty threads are always like a pack of wolves on whoever falls into the trap. Alan, sorry that you fell for a typical Wakeworld death trap thread. Keep on selling man! Good luck! :)
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sorry timmy, but you are wrong about alan falling into a trap. Go read the OP's original post and his requests, then go halfway down the first page to alans first post. He said things that were exactly what the OP said he did not want to hear. the thread was fine until alan pushes MC's typical salespitch to a guy who did not want it. Do not feel sorry for alan, feel sorry for the OP that his thread was jacked by us (myself included) to have a "informed consumer with commons sense" vs "mastercraft salesman" fight.
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Please remind me again why I can not have an opinion?
Facts are facts. "MasterCraft is a decade ahead of Malibu when it comes to how the boat is built." - Opinion "Storage has always been a deal breaker for me with Malibu." - Opinion "Don't forget about the Ilmor engines, they are absolutely stronger than their Indmar counterparts." - Fact "The X-30 is 500lbs heavier than the 23 LSV; it is pretty obvious where it comes from when you water test the two boats." Fact. Opinion "I am always bewildered but that lack of quality I see in Malibu's." Opinion "As a MC guy now, I am amazed that Malibu is priced anywhere close to MC." Opinion "Malibu and their dealers expect to sell them for $70-$80k without any major improvements over 7 years other than some fancy dash work and a power wedge." Opinion and exaggerated truth (No The VLX has not had any MAJOR revisions like TIGE, MC, and MB have in the pas 5 years. "It had to be two years old before you could sell out of territory." No I did not say that. Yes, all major manufacturers prefer that consumers work through local dealers. Thanks Timmy. As a veteran of this forum and industry, I was well aware of the can of worms that I opened. See you soon. |
I normally don't chime in on these types of threads to avoid all of this so I am going to keep my comments about Alan vs. Wakeworld to myself; however, I will tell you a little bit about my past experience with my local MC dealer. I was ready to trade in my Malibu Sportster and upgrade to a wakeboat. At the time I had absolutely no brand loyalty. Went out to all the local dealers and looked at MC, Malibu, Tige and Nautique. I demoed a boat from three out of the four brands. When I went to the MC dealership all I heard about was how big of a piece of sh** I currently owned. As stated before from others, the deal bashed every other brand nonstop while I was there. Needless to say, I haven't been back since, didn't demo a boat and won't ever go back (not even for gear even though it's an hour closer than everywhere else).
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He should go join the others over at the teamtalk water fountain.
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I knew MasterCraft "hatred" runs rampant on WakeWorld, but I had no idea it was this bad. Its almost as bad as MB back in the day. Malibu owners WIN!
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Go visit WWS and Tommys, see how their sales guys handle other brands, see how they don't dog them, they build upon thier boats strengths wiht out having to find weakness in the cometition to do so. There is a reason they are the two best dealers in their area. |
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I dont understand how you post up pictures, comments, and what you call "facts" or "opinions" about how much better one boat is than the other and expect nobody to make a reply or ask a question? People are asking for examples of what you are writing... Some, like myself, are more interested in findout out how our boat is built, and how this becomes a problem for the consumer. You have not answered any of my questions or given any examples, which makes you appear like you do not know what you are talking about. There is no "winner" here, just a bunch of unanswered questions.... with no evidence to back up your comments. |
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I can't believe I'm defending Malibu, but here goes again. Even your FACTS are total BS. On your Ilmor vs. Indmar FACT. I'm not saying you are wrong here. I just think you should provide some data, not your personal butt dyno. If you can't/won't, then you should stop bringing it up. As consumers, we only know what the manufacturers publish/market. As an industry insider, I suspect you can provide some data from a legit source. When you do that, I'm sure everybody will concede this point. But if you can't/won't give us data, then it's not a FACT. Sorry. On your Malibu not doing anything in 7 years FACT. Here's a list for you from a casual boater. Again, I don't own Malibu so I have no reason to know this, yet I do. Why don't you??
Once again, bush league to bring up a private phone call on a public forum, regardless of how you remember the conversation. But I will give you credit, you didn't show me any hull plugs on that phone call or offer me Cash Rewards. See, I give credit where it is due. :rolleyes: And finally, to say this is MC is hatred is just more denial. If I hated MC, would I have called you on that sweet black/red X-15 last year?? You of all people should know that WW holds dealers to a higher standard. You are not just some punk with an attitude. You are the Sales Manager at a major dealership. It's simply unprofessional to come to a public forum and spew this crap. At a minimum it shows poor judgement as a professional in the industry. |
To try and get this thread back on topic, does anyone have any real wake info on the X30?
The OP will have a great time in either boat I'm sure. I know the LSV is capable of putting out great wakes but I would like to see a loaded X30 surf wave to compare. |
Man i had it easy with my cowbell ringing incident.
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levi your post now has turned into a jock brand bashing forum. pick a boat brother..... love it, enjoy it. you got this man... youll make the right decision based on waht your needs are.
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Wow, one day and this thread EXPLODED. Amazing how much passion people have for both boat brands. I personally didn't mind Alans comments. I don't really mind anyone offering opinions with a reason or example to back it up either.
The malibu dealers has been great so far. Not much bashing at all and just pleasent to deal with. The Mastercraft dealer has been the same. Good to deal with helpful, explained all the advantages of MC without really bashing. I like them both very much. Both are amazing boats. My original observations still hold true, way more storage on the MC, similar quality all around, and the LSV has the known world class wake. I won't go into price till I have made a deal, but both boats were within a couple k. They are VERY closely priced so much so that price isn't the biggest issue, quality and ease of use is. I will be happy to post pics and info about the deal Ive made once I do it this week hopefully. We are going to go look once more at both boats to make a decision. I will take a bunch of pics and throw them in the thread if people want. I looked forward to struggling with a decision like this for many years but now that its here its harder then expected. Oh ya in terms of bashing, the MB dealer was by far the worst. He "explained" to me that both MC and Malibu are on the verge of Bankruptcy and are not profitable companies and that they probably wouldn't last. Mb however was doing very well in the marekt and the company is growing and remaining profitable. Not sure if this is "True" but it's what he said. This almost healped me steer away from MB. And the tige was like $10k more then the X-30 or LSV. I thought that was crazy. I feel like I will be getting a good deal on either boat. I will be honest though, if the wake on the X-30 was as good or better then the LSV, then it would be an easier choice for me. My dealer is working to get me video/pics of the wake and is going to MC's pro's for feedback. Will their feedback be biased, duh! But pics help a lot and if I get some expect them to be posted up! Good O'l WW! Bash-o-rama lol. |
Well said...glad you are doing thorough research and seem to know wht you want and have narrowed your search down! Keep us posted with your findings.
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Okay, time out. I think I've been a little harsh on Alan. He's a good guy, and I would buy a boat from him if I lived in CO. That's the truth. We have had many conversations over the years about lots of different boats, and he is genuinely a straight shooter. I can't blame him too much of believing in MC. It is, afterall, a great boat.
Also, I need to retract my most recent statement about Alan not providing engine data. I somehow missed the charts on the page 1 (didn't show up on my iphone). I concede the point that Ilmor has more power. Wow... by those charts it has alot more. Now I want to feel it with my butt dyno! But he is still wrong on the Bu changes over the past 7 years. Final score: Alan 1, IXFE 1. LOL!! Finally, I am the only one here who hates what the internet sometimes turns us all into. I don't like feeling like an a-hole. Yet that's what I felt like driving home from work today. I pledge to be nicer to my internet friends. :D |
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Just so everyone is clear...the Malibu VTX, VLX, 23 LSV and 247 LSV can all be purchased with a carpeted floor or fiberglass floor w/ snap in carpet. One nice advantage to installing seperate fiberglass floors instead of a full tub deck is that it is much easier to spray the floors a different color than the deck. On a tub floor, the manufacturer has to find an easy way to hide a gelcoat line and that is why we don't see that option available on the MXZ or the MC and Tige. On the other hand, the tub deck is much more manufacturing friendly on the assembly side since all the seat supports are built in during lamination...thus making the down side to the tub deck a more difficult build in lamination. There is not data showing one design is stronger than the other. The "old" technology bit doesn't really hold water here (when it comes to strength/boat life) other than ones preferance on styling of the interior as some people like the carpeted seat bases. I actually think it's nice for a company to have a variety of design options so that the customer can choose what he or she likes.
As for the stringers, X-30 foams inside the stringer grid and 23LSV is foamed under the floor and leaves the stringers hollow. Structurally, one is not really better than the other but leaving the stringers hollow does allow wiring and cables to be hidden in the stringer and the motor mounts are actually thru bolted. The biggest differance structurally between MC and Malibu is that on the 23LSV the deck is actually screwed and glued at the gunwhale and then the bulk heades and walk thru braces are actually glassed to deck and hull. This completely ties the two parts together. The MC is screwed together at the gunwhale and the deck is set on dog piles of adhesive during capping and no glass. |
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Robert - Hahaha.
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Like I said mine has never had a problem, and I haven't heard of any real problems other than people breaking them off, and not calibrating them correctly. I honestly think they do a great job of adding a lip to malibus rampy wake. |
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Thank you malibu23lsv for shining some much needed light on this thread! |
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question on Malibu's fiberglass floor, is there a drain? I didn't see one on the website or brochure. If you take water over the bow, where does all that water go?
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Yea there are two little drains slits in the back by the back seat where the water drains into the hull then its bilged out. Ive been known in my day to dip the bow when people are dozing off up front. Took out two iphones, and a digital camera in one swoop last summer. Whoops
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No drain, water runs thru the crack between the floor and subfloor to the bilge. No need for a drain.
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What happens when a Mastercraft takes water over the bow?..............It causes a LAWSUIT!!!!:D
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