Had an idea jump in my head while at work earlier today. <BR> <BR>Could a BI-directional winch ride be made with 2 winches hooked together? <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/751580.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>The lines could be hooked together end to end to a ring. another rope (10 ft maybe) with a handle connected at mid way. <BR> <BR>three people minimum of course would be needed to ride: <BR>2 for running the winches <BR>1 rider <BR> <BR>the spool on the winches would have to be releasable i imagine and the one not pulling would have to be released. so the ride would not be continuous. <BR>1000 ft line would be a good length, since only half could be used at a time (- a couple ft.) giving about 500 ft riding distance. <BR> <BR>a ride would be limited to ride on toeside or heelside only unless the rider jumps over the winch rope(s) or if the winches are on a hill up high ;) <BR>. <BR>.. <BR>... <BR>or am i just crazy with cold weather?
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it could work but your going to have problems with the ropes spooling unspooling. <BR> <BR>i feel like you couldn get the rope tight enough even at speed to stop the slack from going under the water in the middle of a 1,000 feet causing problems. <BR> <BR>I dont know might work. I would jimmy rig something closer to the system 2.0 first
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you would need two people then to run the winches in sync, and gas for them.... more work/ppl than a jetski would use
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I'm not an expert on mechanics, winches or cables... but couldn't you jimmyrig one winch and have it loop around at both ends? That would be just like a 2.0, you would have 2 instead of 3 people needed, and possibly more cost efficient. I don't know maybe thats crazy talk.
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Has Anyone tried to fabricate a System 2.0?
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Winch with the line running around a pulley at the opposite end? Get a reversible transmission on the Winch, and I think you'd be good to go right?
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Jim, <BR> <BR>That was my thoughts exactly when I saw this, why not just try to make a 2.0?
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my guess is the most expensive part of the motor and I bet a 5hp motor would cut it... and a 5 hp reversible electric motor is ~$900 <BR> <BR>two support poles ~$100 scrap yard <BR>cable/pulleys - $150 <BR>control unit (don't know how much that would be) <BR> <BR> <BR>I bet you could do the whole thing fairly well for ~2k
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Does anyone have links to this 3 phase power (transformer??) and motor used in the system 2.0.
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I heard that the 3 phase power was the most expensive part in the 2.0. I heard about 3000 $.
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I would be willing to bet you could run a motor that small off of 220v but it would be just be a little less reliable.
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ebay has 3 phase 7.5 hp motors for around $300. <BR> <BR>Im not sure about the speed controlling aspect but it seems simple enough.
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system 2's controls are basically a dial to adjust speed.... and a little lever that dictates direction (from what I remember)
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Making a control box for that would be simple, and could be done pretty cheap. A way to control voltage for speed and a way to swap one of the three phases (quickly like with a lever said above) to change direction the motor rotates.
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The motor could be controlled via a Rheostat or a Variac that changes the amount of AC going to the motor correct?
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Does this system 2.0 have limit switches to stop the motor and reverse it? or is there an operator watching and slowing the cable and reversing at the ends?
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Operator that watches....least on the ones I've been on. <BR> <BR>I don't see why one couldn't be retrofitted with some sort of trigger that would kill the motor for a sec, then start it up in the opposite direction.... <BR> <BR>they usually have an operator to help with n00bs and whatnot.... the corners can be brutal
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how much is one of the 2.0's for the average joe that wanted to put one in his backyard??
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$30,000 i believe
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30k covers it all, i assume some warranty with it, your insurance will allow it because it isn't homemade, and the install ( i believe)
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as for set-up goes, i have never seen a system 2.0 being set up or installed, but i thought i remember it being described as "portable." if one so desired they could fit the whole thing in the back of a truck <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>a bi directional device would be great for snow too. could turn it into your own personal mini ski lift of sorts. <BR> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by wakerider111 on December 14, 2009)
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the 2.0 is made by cable people. so to them, $40,000 and the phase 3 power requirement isn't a big deal at all. when in reality, it kind of is if it's for personal use. <BR> <BR>what we have here is the consumer, who knows more about how a winch works than how a cable works coming up with a solution, and i don't see any reason it's not possible. <BR> <BR>some questions to be asked... <BR> <BR>Is a 2.0 overpowered for it's intended purpose? (for hitting rails i would say yes, for air tricks, i don't know) <BR> <BR>If you did want to stick with an electric powered system, is 3 phase necessary? <BR> <BR>Is it possible to use a $1000 briggs motor to accomplish the same thing (rider is able to go down and back)? <BR> <BR>Jeremy, you're onto something. This could be a neat thread to look back on in a few years
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j_hill - I was wondering the same. <BR> <BR>- Could a drive system be gas? making this unit really portable <BR> <BR>- Is there a cheaper more feasible option for personal use other than Phase 3 (volume of run time would be much less) wear would be less than commercial use can a Phase 2 or 1 work viably and feasibly over time? <BR> <BR> Yeah, I like were this is going.
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I think you guys (all of us are on to something) <BR>I feel like all i did was plant a seed (or rather un-cover one that was already seeded) for others to nourish <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>but heck yea! love to see where things go in the future. The biggest drawback to a winch is its limited "uni-directionalism" <BR> <BR>it also wouldn't hurt to use the same motor to re-direct power to some wheels to drag/pull the entire system through rough, tree-crowded terrain that a truck could not pass. but with added power to the wheels AND LARGER wheels than what we typically see on a winch (with a chain kit for snow), you could go anywhere, easier and faster, yah? <BR> <BR>...or maybe an atv to drag the device instead, if the powered wheels idea is weird <BR> <BR>(Message edited by wakerider111 on December 15, 2009) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by wakerider111 on December 15, 2009)
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