All is Unvield?
 

Saw this mag on the table and snapped a couple pics from my phone.

Lol no sh**!!

Welp that's it thats all folks.

Nice, that thing does look sick.

HOLY S***!!!
that thing loooks sick!!!!!!

Wow.... wonder how fast this will get pulled...... Pickle fork huh? Wish you could read the text....

Dang. it looks sick! Looks to be a lot wider than the 230.. correct me if im wrong.

Its the new super air nauti-mali-axi-craft!!! I'm disappointed.

looks wider & taller

Looks like a Tige. I suppose the color helps make that connection in my mind, though.

Overall, very nice.

No fork just a snub nose as expected. But it sounds like a new LINE of boats, wonder what lengths will be offered. So the pointed nose and normal Super Air line may still be around?

Pictures are pictures gotta know the details to get a feel for what was changed.

Looks nice, but pretty standard. I really hope there is something new in terms of large wake generation, or at least a ballast system where we don't have to add another 2000 pounds of bags to. Even setting it up to the point where I don't need to add any additional ballast would be impressive. I can't believe they let the cat out of the bag!

hopefully will be pulling the wake games.

Look at the rear bottom of the hull in the third pic. That's not normal.

1 tracking fin?

She looka lika Moomba.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but Nautique asked me to take the pics down and since they own the pics, we have to do so.

HAHAHA! Hilarious that Nautique is pizzed that someone scooped them!

I'm soooooo naughty. Here they are in Team Talk:

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...d=1#post826154

Now post them on your own website and wait for them to come after you! :D

MasterCraft's Team Talk deleted my thread....nutz.

Here are the links:

http://i40.tinypic.com/5xtout.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/t8ooxl.jpg

Please repost!!!

Not gonna lie, that boat looks tight. HUGE freeboard = more room for sub floor ballast. Modified bow, 23' plus feet....me likey.

Unfortunately, I'll never be able to afford it. C'mon mega millions!

I don't really like it at first glance. Also..... way more importantly..... god they must be so pissed off.

I saw it allll over my facebook this morning ( thats where I pulled my photos from)... if they didn't want it leaked, a magazine was a strange place to put it

ooopsie.

yeah, I wonder if they'll advertise in transworld again. Way to go kevco!

Good point. I still think it was a mistake. And very dumb to put it in a magazine pre flight print run.

Sorry David !!! I didn't see this before I posted mine!... and passed the edit time limit.

I'm sorry!

I don't like the windsheild. Other than that it looks alright.

It looks like a TIGE with a malibu windshield to me.

But then again both of those brands are sick looking so I'm in no way complaining.

Bow looks huge and engine/rear area looks very short.... which is okay with me, I always felt there was a lot of prime real estate wasted on the length of the engine bay.

Its hard to see the style lines and contours of the boat from these pictures but from what I can see I think it looks SICK! Now I'm even more interested to check out the webcast of their launch. Can't wait to get the full skinny.

i wanna see it next to the 230 to see how big it really is. Just from those pics - i looks like its going to dwarf the 230 which is already huge.

Rumor mill is jumping about legal action, being the mag the pic was taken from is not released went. Drama Drama Drama.

It really does look like a Tige.

NauTige

This is so not what I wanted or what I was hoping for and I am disappointed.

NauTige.

Ugh.

Did the tag scanner in the ad work?

I am not surprised to hear about the legal situation. This is bad bad bad.
No matter who saw it on Facebook or whatever, this chaps their ass - to be clear.
No way the early picture should have gotten out, someone is in trouble and they'll be able to find the source.
Drama drama drama is right.

Wow. The more I think about this. Wow. Imagine being the guy who orgainzed the whole unveiling tomorrow. I bet he feels like someone upper cut him in the balls like Ryu from streetfighter.

Yep someone is about to be knee deep in legal fees.

"Looks like a tige"

Except that the Tige looks a lot better

Maybe this was the plan all along.... build up suspense for "The Big Day".... leak the stuff yourself the day before to cause more buzz before your big event. Double the "launch event" and just give people the taste you want them to have.
Going for the reaction in this post exactly:

Well, on the bright side, it looks like there is really a boat (xstar? are you there xstar?). Jillyjam has some interesting reveal posts in "her" post history over the years too....

How is it all over your facebook? Someone had to post them on there...

Or maybe this is the decoy reveal, just like mastercraft did with the early roll out of the xstar to throw everyone off their game?

So this jilljam person put it out on this thread. I then took what I saw, as I see others did and may have reposted elsewhere since it was already out.

Am I in trouble??

Legal action is stupid. If CC wanted the boat that locked down and secret then the pictures should have never went to a magazine before the unveiling.

No.

The photos I posted (again, sorry David), I pulled from facebook, I had seen them reposted by 3 different people there.... once something hits facebook/twitter its a wildfire.

Thats what I am thinking, 1000+ views in less than 3 hours on wakeworld... not to shabby.

That tower is fugly! It looks like a spray painted coat hangers bent from each side

I'm kinda diggin it. I have had pictures of it for a couple weeks now and it's really growing on me. Can't wait to ride behind it, that will be the ultimate test. It looks absolutely MASSIVE and the wake pictures look very promising!

If it is a decoy reveal... then it is the best thing in wake boat advertising that ever happened.

If it is not, and my heart says this is in fact real, then I already fail to see how this is a wakeboarding revolution. Which is exactly why these companies want to control the message on these things. I am a long time Correct Craft die-hard and I am already very disappointed. This is just a big boat. A big Tige clone almost. I'm awestruck.

I heard production starts in May (limited)...we'll get one in June/July in Chicago. Full production the following model year.

LOL I was joking about the decoy reveal. Like they are just sitting on tens of thousands of dollars to mock up ads on a fake boat? C'mon. That's the boat.

I don't really think that it leaking early is that big of a deal. The majority of the people who will buy this boat do not even use these message boards.
How many people do you see out on the lake with x-stars/230's/VLXs that only tube or water ski behind them? Most of the sales of these boats are to people who just have a lot of money and want a "cool" boat to have.
I think that its cool that us "wakeworlders" who actually care about new boats got to see it before the general public.

my .02

Sure hope this wasn't intended to change any games, other than the one Nautique has been playing w this bogus release.

it's certainly too early to pass any judgement on whether or not this is a game change after only a few leaked pics. Let's give CC a chance to tell us what they've done with this boat on the 31st. I think it looks very cool.

Thats why the darn thing costs so much.


I think that is the boat 100%, but the "leaked" photos might have been Nautique leaking them to get people excited.... I never meant a fake boat, just a fake "leaked" photo thing right before the real launch

Other than most of it's fugliness, one thing that caught my eye was the tip of the bow. I know nautiques always have that over sized ring at the tip(for hoisting) practically consuming any good stepping on/off point you had. I looking closely in one of the pics it LOOKS like that ring is retractable like the pull out cleats or the tub line at the back of the boats for that matter. KUDOS if I'm assuming correctly

I see your point but we still haven't seen the most important part of the boat.....the hull bottom. As a wakeboarder, I am more concerned with the wake and less concerned with what boat it does or does not look like. I don't think it's fair to make that statement just yet. Still need a closer look at it. No seating configuration or bow shape is going to be game changing to me.......It's all about the wake.

I'm surprised we haven't seen the stampede of "MB-sized-swimpad-how-can-my-ho's-party-on-that" haters yet.

I think this getting leaked is a very big deal actually. It has to be a blow and a bummer which prevents them from really getting to 'squeeze off' on saturday like they planned to. I guarantee they are rips**t at the audacity of someone posting this publicly.

They never do 'sneak peek' stuff and police their press carefully. They are upset, I am positive.

Good, bad or indifferent. I think it's great marketing. I can't remember so much hype about a boat. Now leaked photos?! Brilliant. It's like Car and Driver or Motortrend. The only thing better is if the boat had all that black bra stuff all over it so you can't really see the lines.....:)

Dear Nautique: roll with it. A lot more to be revealed in 2 days. Give us another carrot tomorrow! I'm sure we'll still be talking about it 3/30, 3/31, 6/31 and 1/31/2013 at the boat show, etc...!!

I'm sure they are upset, I would be too. But think of the big picture. 80% of the buyers of this boat will not know about this boat until it shows up at a dealer and they see it there.

i think this leak - just bumpped up viewership for sat by ALOT.

with the burden of proof resting on the plaintiff, on what grounds do you suppose CC will attempt to prove the "leaker" is pecuniary liable for their loss?

before they do that, CC has to build a case that there was loss (financial or otherwise) for something they have already announced. if they can pull that off, its going to be tough to assign a dollar amount to it. In this case, perhaps, they could recover their advertising costs for this one issue alone?

as for the rest of the pictures remaining up, i am sure that david could pull them at any time, but it is my understanding that pictures of copyrighted stuff are not subject to copyright laws if there is not monetary gain.... david could profit from them being on his website as it creates more traffic, and i am sure he doesnt want to lose advertising dollars from CC, so they will probably get snatched soon....

i suspect that "knee deep legal fees" is quite the exaggeration...

the pics have already hit the net. who cares. cc should just let them float around. the worst thing they could do is get some customer negativity and bad hype going............

as for a law suit..... give me a break.....its a boat, you paid and ran an ad in a magazine that releases pre-copies..... they should have been proactive and got wbm to black out the ad.

i think the boat looks good. the tower is not my favorite.... but im sure it will be fine.

as for game changing....... no.

All this... Oh I"m dissapointed.... How is this a game changer... It looks like that other boat..... waaaaa, I wanted a hovercraft that generated an air wake.

Goodness people what did you expect, it looks like a 230 that got fat and had it's nose stomped on. You've seen cell phone pics of a grainy magazine add from 3 angles. You have no idea the engine specs, the seating layout, the dash, instruments, ballast, stereo options, or anything that makes this thing an actual wake boat.

The cat is far from out of the bag.

if you havent clued in to the fact that choosing a wakeboard boat is a matter of vanity. image is everything on the water...

They are calling it a G23 that sounds like its a 23' boat . I was told the boat that is to be revealed on Sat is not a 23'boat? Still just as interesting as before for me.

The actually writing denoted a new "Batch" / "Wave" of "Boats" plural. The one in the add was the G23. Not to say that's is THE or The only boat being shown this weekend.

Why can't i see the pics don't see anything to click on!!

Oh i get it now didn't read far enough:o

I saved my share of pics onto my computer before the inevitable happened

Sweet boat....represents a significant change for Nautique which I have always considered to be a boat designed with classic lines. Now they have a great looking, modern age boat! Hope the doctors and lawyers snatch them up in large numbers so I can pick a used one up in a few years!

Sorry but i don't see the Tige resemblance.It looks most like the Mojo.I would agree it was time for a update.Only time will tell if it's what the public wants.Game changing,that's just advertising hype.All the Manufacturers would say there new boat is game changing.

The "game" is wakeboarding. If that wake is as big as it looks in the vids and picks. They just changed the game. That's real talk, not just words.

Its all good advertising for them. They would have asked for the thread to be deleted if it was a big problem. The more talk the more advert for them. Taking the pics away just makes for more advert. Its all just a shell game. Its all good but really , is this going to help me perfect inverts or is this just going to cause a lot more hurt slamming down from 15ft as opposed to 10ft for the average guy.

Maybe..just maybe....on Saturday....we will see a 23 AND a 25 footer......:)

thats the rumor...

lmao

How about a Nautique that somebody besides a doctor or lawyer could afford...? Now THAT would be changing the game!!

It might also make some records fall... As in sales records.

So your saying Harley will jump ship for this.:confused: And Rusty too.:confused:Is it 1440 game changing?:rolleyes:

LoL lat the nautique lenses some people have

Yea the wake is huge but the price is gonna be insane, this boat, much like new star is irrelevant to most of us here, but yea it's fun to daydream

You wanna know what would change the game? If axis lowered the a22 base price back to the 39,999 that it was when they came out
The only thing that's gunna make wakeboarding grow is getting more people into it. the only way to do that is to change the price and make it more accessible to do that.
Until then this only really affects the top 10% of wakeboarders and top 2% of the population that can afford a boat over 80k

Every time I read a comment like this it reminds me how lucky I am to own a boat that only the elite can afford? As for records I will stand on my previous statement . A few hacked pics does not make a wake boat . There is no evidence that is the boat to be unveiled tomorrow.
If the new boat is not a game changer I will be the first to amend my statement . If it is a game changer will you do the same or will the hating just continue?

Are there no used boats available? A$$ for every seat there is a good boat for every budget.Should Porsche lower their standards to make a more affordable model for the masses? Nautique doesn't build the most boats they never have . They concentrate on building the best that cost more. Are they worth it ? That's for you to determine . I get a kick out of all the posts that only find price as their only fault.

Well said.

Interesting that nobody commented on my comment about the hull design. Something definitely different from the norm. So, I'm gonna start some rumors to make it interesting:) It could be the curve of the page, but the hull looks to swoop up in the rear, like a Tige design or something. Also, the prop shaft doesn't seem to come from the center of the hull. Single engine, twin screw?

My hope is that the wake is there on this new boat. From the videos, it looks great. Will it look like that at 23 mph? Will the wake be consistent? Will it be a nice, average, width? How much extra ballast do you have to run to get that wake? How does the boat perform while loaded out?

I have no problem with a company charging a crazy amount for its boats. I just think that, if you're going to charge a premium, your boat needs to be better than cheaper alternatives. Whether that means it has more bling, technology, produces a better wake, whatever. To me, I can live with out touch screens, fancy vinyl stitching, and billet aluminum to save 40-50k. However, I, personally, would pay a lot more for a better performing machine that produces a better wake. I just hope that this is what's going on here with the new G23.

To me, a "game changer" would be a boat that produces a drastically bigger and better wake than other boats on the market. I don't care how it's achieved. I don't care if the hull is made of lead. I don't care if there's a wing that deploys under the boat to create downforce. I don't care if the storage lockers in the rear are so ginormous that you can put 1100 lb bags back there and actually fill them all the way with a piggy back system. I don't care if there is a dedicated huge space created in the nose for a 1100lb bow sac. Whatever. Just build a hull that you can put 6k of weight in and produce a rediculous wake that's consistent at a good range of speeds. Do that, and charge whatever you want for the boat. However, one has to question how many will actually get sold at six figures plus.

I'm just glad I don't have a 2012 230, or have one on order. Because if I had just invested 90k in nautique's 23 ft"flagship" wakeboat, only to find out that a new 23ft "flagship" boat is being introduced, I'd be a little peeved. Unless the G23 is, in fact, going to cost substantially more than a 230, I'd be willing to bet that the resale value of new 230s will take a big hit.

All that lower sticker price does is put more people into newer boats. With a solid used market out there now I don't see how that changes the game (that game being wakeboarding). Now if your game is the boat market sure it changes the game.

There is a game changer out there, it's been at it for 13 years and is still changing the game. The older 210's which are now on the used market have been a huge deal for this sport. NOT 13 years ago but in the last 5.

You've got a top of the line boat that in most cases still has tons of life left in it because it was made right from the start. The big factor here, the depreciation on these boats is non existent if kept up right. The older boats are giving folks who never could buy a boat the real chance to get into something that still is top of the line, and without the overburden of significant value depreciation.

Perfect example of why we should all be pumped about a new boat... as long as it carries the right craftsmanship. Cause I may own one in about 7-10 years. :D

The depreciation of the older boats is virtually non existent because the cost of new boats has gone up every year at an alarming rate. I disagree that these new $90-100k boats (being produced by any manufacturer) don't or won't depreciate a TON in the first 3-5 years of ownership. One reason, and I may be wrong here, is that I just don't see prices continuing to escalate at the same rate over the next five years. I just don't know that, when interst rates start climbing back up, people will be able to afford to buy a wakeboat when the average price is $100k, instead of $75k.

This comment is not Nautique specific, but an observation as to the industry as a whole. I will agree that Nautiques hold their value better than most boats.

The term "Changing the game" is about as cliche skulls on wraps, stripper poles, and the work 'sick!' - A good rider can throw down behind a bass boat, and conversely I could ride behind this Nautique or new XStar and still suck.


In the Sport Compact Car scene, a ricer is a person with a modified car thats all show, no go. What is that term in wakeboats - wally? All sorts of crap, and never leaves the sand bar?

I'm not saying it won't be a beautiful boat, I just think its silly to pretend that a boat of this caliber will have any impact at all on the sport. At least every like we ride on, I see big dollar boats anchored at the sand bar, while the riders killing it are behind older V and Direct Drives, I/Os, and anything else they can get a pull behind. Hell, the first person to pull a Tantrum behind our boat was a random kid that came up to us on the beach because he never rode behind an inboard and wanted a pull.

Just my opinion :)

but Ian you can't ignore the difference a good boat makes,
if you pair that kid's skill with a bigger wake, which means more time in the air and the opportunity to go bigger, that's when the magic really happens.

I ride behind an I/O in the ocean. and like you said, i'll take a pull on a jet ski, if it's the only thing that can tow me, but it is by no means ideal. I would love to have a 230 or x star and a flat lake. The only way to really see who's best is to have a level playing field. And while one can't blame their environment for their lack of skill, it shouldn't even have to be taken into consideration whether you can afford an 80k+ boat or not. And the only way to give the opportunity for everyone to reach their full potential is to be given every advantage possible.
AKA in an ideal world, we would all be riding behind perfect boats, and only then would we know our true skill level.

In an ideal world I would have a time machine and go back to when I was 5 and sherd my buns off, get sponsored by a boat company and never have to worry about affording a 100k boat.

^^^^^ Brett wish I had done the same except I would have just bought as much apple stock as I could in 96-97 when it was like 7 bucks a share.

I am in no way bashing the new hull the wake is clearly huge and much like the new star and there will be a market for it.
this boat will add 180's and flips to tricks for sure.
BUT
yea an ass for every seat blah blah blah. whatever. yea you can get an old 210 or 205 v for like 20 grand. Now imagine whats gunna happen when axis a 20 and a22 and tige r20 and z1 come up used. theyre gunna be a newer boat with lower hours and a great wake for EVEN shorter money because they started cheaper and dont bear the nautique or mastercraft name, so thats why a cheaper boat is better for not only for those buying new but in the long run as well.

but again, this wake is only really going to change the game for the top 10% of wakeboarders who are gunna get the most of the wake. im not hating on the boat in anyway, i think its great theyre pushing the sport and making new tricks possible by creating a bigger wake.

another point just to stir the pot some more: what happens when smaller lakes start banning wakeboats because the wakes get too big and destroy residents docks sea walls etc... Its becoming a problem on my lake

I agree completely that the old model 210 and 205 are the biggest breakthroughs and the very game changers of our wakeboarding generation. Not this boat. Not anything currently being made, at least not yet. Jernberg says that *ish on the regular.

That was an extremely good point, above poster.

What market is that?

The rich and the pro's/ am riders that need a giant wake.

...waiting for that Byerly video.

Honestly, this.... like all the others have said, if you could make a boat that is a re-birth of these hulls and have it at a price point that almost anyone could realistically justify... that would change the game in my opinion.

Remember when half pipes on the mountain were 15ft. Now superpipes are 22ft. Double corked 12's versus 900's . Just sayin.