Thoughts on 1993 4.3L Inboard
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I have read the forums for a few months but have never posted. Try not to tear the newbie apart.
I am a wakeboarding novice but am ready to buy a boat. I have searched around and have decided to go with a used/custom boat over a new/stock option. I honestly don't know much about boats but this seemed like a decent deal. What do you think about a 1993 VIP Wakeboard Boat (pics attached):
$10k Am I way off base or is this a decent option? |
That is an Inboard/Outboard, not an inboard.
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It looks like an I/O to me too, which means NOT GOOD for wakeboarding - the wake just isn't like a true inboard
you will not be able to surf behind it - least not with keeping all of you limbs.... it looks nice but anyone can dress up a turd 10k would go to a nice: Malibu Sunsetter Sport Nautique MC 205 Tige 2200 add another 5k to your budget and get a real v-drive Look for Nautique Supersport MC 205v Sanger v210 Sunsetter VLX tige 21v/2200v |
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Matt, is 10k your maximum budget? What is your main objective with the boat? Do you want something that is better for hanging out and can fit more people or a pure wake boat? Do you want a boat that looks cool because of tower speakers and a wrap or one that functions better?
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65% wakeboarding 25% hanging out 10% looks cool I could probably up it to $12K if needed - functionality is obviously really important but I also don't want to drop $12k on something that I'm embarrassed to take out! |
I should of asked this in my last post but how many riders are in your crew or how many people normally come out with you? Is it going to be used as a family boat at all? Does your lake/river get really rough from wind and large boats so that you would need something with more freeboard? Do you have any limitations as far as length of the boat or towing capacity on your tow rig?
Nicks suggestions are all good boats to keep an eye out for. |
I'm just assuming that's about a 19' Valiant from '93. NADA is only showing that boat worth about $2800 even with a tower. Might now be a bad beginner boat, but though I don't do a lot of low end I/O shopping, you could probably get a new Bayliner for not much more.
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Thanks again! |
Way overpriced, and underpowered.Keep looking.
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I think most of us probably started with an i/o and ended up moving to a true inboard. I am sure we did it cause we either did not know better or that is what our budget allowed. It is not a bad way to start for sure, but if your objectives are really that high, you might save up a bit more and get the right boat first. Not a bad move though. You also could get a lot more I/O for that kind of money unless you just want it to look pimp. I bought my first I/O (98 Four Winns with 30 hours and a V8) for that kind of money and that was some time ago. That guy has just put a lot of money into paint/wrap and an interior. You have to decide if that is really that important to you, and it does not sound like it. Besides it just kind of looks like they are trying to disguise the boat as a wake boat.
Either way not a bad choice to go I/O, but don't get pressured into making a decision. Find some local people on the board that are knowledgeable about both types of boats and try to go out and see the differences yourself. Good luck to you.... |
Also forgot Nautique 2001 --- great wake on these boats:
http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/1612874227.html http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/boa/1634564452.html http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1603126979.html http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/boa/1632827727.html (not the best wake, but can work) here are a few on the price range |
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If you had $10k-$12k to spend on your first wakeboarding boat, would you go straight inboard or would I/O suffice for a few years? Or do you think it would be better to just go for the best inboard I can get, even if that means sacrificing "dock appeal?" |
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/boa/1632840611.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/1618200438.html http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1623746936.html http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1619149793.html Just some options. Some are a few thousand more than you said but may be able to be talked down. The hydrodyne will make a good wake as Nick can attest to but will be smaller. It will fit 6 people but will not be super comfortable. On the other hand it will drive great and burn little fuel. |
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Hydrodynes are the ****!
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Just 2 more cents.......
2001s, 205s, and Hydrodynes have proven records as good wake sport boats. I'd stay away from a TriStar though. With the integrated swimstep on the back being a part of it's 19' length, the interior is a lot smaller, specifically in the back, than a Prostar (that has a bolt on swimstep that doesn't count on the 19' length). That space is needed for things like seating, legroom, gear, ballast, etc. Considering gas prices, I think I'd steer clear of a big block too. |
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Im planning to sell my tige 22i when it warms up.
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for 12 i will deliver.
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http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1606389817.html |
Prostar 205 is good, 190 not so much
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Pre 1990 PS 190s were VERY flat bottom boats. You can get a good wake from them, but your rub rail will be in the water a lot. And you will learn how to sub the boat...... and hopefully how not to. My brother had one & we dipped the stereo more than a few times. Another one to consider is the Supras back to like 1986. They had several models that had nice deep gunnels, bow riders, kick up a good wake with some weight. The issue with them is that they had wood floors, seat bases & stringers till the late 90s. Also had some pretty horrible 80s colors too. |
This one was recommended above...http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/boa/1632840611.html
Is the 190 powerful enough? Anything else I should ask about before considering? |
I have heard people say the master craft tristar is not so great for a wake boat. They said the wake was super sensitive and was not very big. A member on this board said the same about his. I do not have any first hand experience though.
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Interesting project boat for cheap
2001 natique wake cage huge tanks - $6000 (clearlake) -Looks like a GREAT option. Try using this search tool to search Craigslist in a huge area, like all of Texas. http://www.craiglook.com |
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So how long have you been looking? Don't be too hasty & settle on something you don't really want. The last time I did this, it took me 3 or 4 months of looking. I test drove like 10 or 15 boats, test drove all of them & even rode behind most of them. It was a fun process & made me change my mind as to what features I wanted in a boat.
Also spring is a terrible time to buy. Everyone is looking, and things can go for inflated prices (although in a down market that may or may not be true). Fall is typically a good time to buy, but then there is very little stuff out there for sale. So you just have to watch the ads all the time. And be quick about it when you see one up for sale. |
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1989 Tristar 190 w/ 1080 lbs. + 6 people
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I've been behind Nick W's Tristar and could do most all of my tricks.... the problem is when you add a lot of weight, you lose passanger room.
The tristar is a stick boat thought, but if you're riding with 4-5 usually it will be tight. Honstly if your budget is 12k... I would save save save for another year and be a boat whore, then next year buy a ballin' V-drive.... its worth the wait. |
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/boa/1632840611.html (not amazing wakes...) http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...r-220-96503454 (high hours) Thanks again. This has been tremendously helpful. |
I am not sure. That 220 looks beat on. Maybe it is just the back seat that is tore up though which wouldn't be that weird since that is where everybody walks over. But beat on and high hours is not a good thing in my opinion. If they were in comparable shape I would take the 220 over the 190 all day long.
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I would go a totally different direction.
But something in the 25-30k range.....have virtually zero issues ( due to it being fairly new) Less likely you get to the ramp and your 25 y/o boat doesnt' wanna start..........been there. For the most part older boats constently need attension, regardless of condition. In this economy you can get some smokin deals on late model boats. Not so much on the older baot still holding their values. Put 10-20% down and finace the rest. Money is is still cheap right now. I would venture to say in 4-5 years when/if you decide to sell you wont' lose much on it. You only live once...lol. |
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At least the 220 has some room in the bow & around the back seat. Go sit in the 190 & see for yourself. The back seat is like 4" from the engine cover. And if it's a closed bow, thats a 2nd strike in my book.
I agree that $4k - $5k is a lot for maintenance. I'd say less than $1000 if you don't do any improvements at all. Occasionally you may have something bigger but thats not the norm. |
a few years back (when the economy was good and prices were high) I picked a really lightly used (only 290 hrs) 1995 Supersport (same as a SuperAir 210)
for 18k. I was in debt for a while but it was well worth the money, and honestly now with like 590 hrs / ballast/tower/stereo I feel I could sell it for about the same price. V-drives (especially prove wake makers) hold value like crazy |
my suggestion though is save a little and get to the 15k range and find yourself a v-drive
this one is a v-drive http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1603126979.html |
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Thanks Brett. Is this (Four Winns) pretty bad? http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/boa/1639096861.html
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The Four Winns is an I/O. A lot of us started out owning I/Os before we figured out what we were really into. Their not bad, their just a little more general purpose than an inboard..... kinda good at everything, not really great at any one thing.
In my book the weak link on that particular boat is the Monster Tower. But to each his own. At least the 220 Tristar has a Titan on it. You aren't likely to have issues there at all. |
That is an I/O and another overpriced one at that. At that age, inboards are far more reliable than I/O's due to the number of moving parts in the lower unit of I/O's that doesn't exist with inboards.
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that boat is to shallow you need more freeboard
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That is a very nice boat. It looks like it has a wedge. The downfall is that boat really was designed to be a hardcore slalom boat and has low freeboard. I have heard guys get a decent wake out of them but it may get kind of scary if you really want a big wake. How much do they want for it and what are some of the other details(hours)?
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I bet with 300 lbs in the bow, a 500 on each side of the engine and the wedge that boat will throw a a pretty decent wake. It is nicer than anything else that has been posted. Plus that boat is worth closer to 15k if it is in pretty decent shape. I bet you could buy that boat for 10-11 and use it for 2 years and sell for at least that.
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Not bad. Good wake like Brett said, although you wouldn't have any room to walk in it. But that goes with the direct drives. Definitely not a money pit though.
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By the way, I would rock that boat all day long for that price if I couldn't find a nice Supra Sunsport, sport Nautique or 205. |
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I think we may be getting close to the finale: can you guys tell me which of these you like better?
http://waco.craigslist.org/boa/1623360078.html * 1100 hours (70 on motor) http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/boa/1638400408.html * 650 hours Both $11k |
Both those boat are very shallow the euro is a little better.
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im sorry the F3 is not bad.
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Look at the back of the boat if you sack it out, when you come off the throttle you can swamp the boat. Its a world class ski boat and no doubt malibu is well built but is was made to ski and that often makes for small wakes. I was like you when i bought my first boat i got the first inboard i could afford. It was a low freeboard old skiboat and could never get a good wake it was crowded and i damn near sunk it a few times so wait for something deeper, that sunsetter looks like it could work.
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Step two 11 seems a tad high for a 94. Any wood in it?
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Nope. You could wakeboard but it would leave you wanting a lot more in like a year or two.... then whats the point, you've got to do this all over again.
Years ago I convinced my mom to sell her little 18ft outboard runabout and give the money from the sale to me to buy a "new" boat... hers was like a 2/3 year old Larson Flyer... sold it for like ~8k, took the money went and bought a 1992 (ithink) Hydrodyne, put a ton of weight in the back w/ a custom box so we didn't lose seating and had a huge bag under the closed bow.... it was awesome until I got riding being a v-drive. Within two years that boat was for sale.... we paid 8k for it, used it for like 3 years, added a tower and stereo and sold it for 7500.... not bad. Then paid my mom back what she had in, then my best friend and I took out loans, pooled our money and found we had ~22k (he was in about 12k I was 10k) ... we started hunting for a boat (when the economy was good)... found a MC 205v (old x-star) and a NAutique Supersport (old SuperAir).... ended up going with the supersport, added a tower, ballast, stereo.... came in right around 21k with everything and now we have NO INTENTION of selling this until it dies, which I imagine won't be for a long time. When we bought the hydrodyne the guy was selling it to buy a v-drive.... its a constant cycle in the community I think.... I guess my point is you can buy now, but I will be willing to bet in 3/5 MAX you'll be selling for a v-drive.... you could just boat whore and save, skipping a step |
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No we rely on a crutch, like a big wake. :D I went from a 1994 205 with about 800 lbs of ballast to a 2005 Vride with 900 lbs of ballast, and adding more. The difference in the stance on the water, even when sitting still, is dramatic. If I'm sitting in the Vride & a surfer goes by, I don't really sweat it when the wave approaches. But in the 205, I'd have to start the boat & position it so the wake would come across the bow or it could easily swamp the boat. And driving the two boats, the Vride is definitely more forgiving. The higher freeboard definitely makes it easier on you all the way around. |
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