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My new boat is scheduled to be delivered this weekend, or early next week. I'm wondering how those with the current gen (2012+) xstar are weighting the boat. Its coming with the plug and play which will add sacs hard piped to the rear and bow compartments, but is anyone adding more weight? I've got several sacs left over from the previous boat and am thinking of at least throwing a 550# sac in each mid-cabin compartment. Thoughts/recommendations?
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I like the green seats. That it all I can contribute.
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everyithing I heard when I rode it and from others was that it likes as much weight in the back as possible and too much up from makes it less clean, which doesnt make any physics sense but it seemed to be true.
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Anyone know whats the weight of the sacs that come with the plug and play option?
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All of them I have seen on the water ride with the bow way up in the air so what Mase said may be true.
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Yep, there is one on my lake with bow way up in the air. No thanks.
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Badass looking boat! I like it, but that black's going to get hot, at least it would down here in southeast Texas.
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Do the bags even come with the plug and play option? I thought that was just to have the plumbing and it was up to the end user to add the bags. I could very well be wrong.
However, with that said, Wakemakers has the bag kit. Says it adds close to 1600lbs for a total of around 2300lbs. http://www.wakemakers.com/2013-maste...play-sacs.html |
Yes, the bags come with the plug and play kit. They are provided/purchased by the dealer rather than the factory due to USCG weight requirements. Something odd about that link above, stock is 1400lbs, if its adding 1600 that would be ~3klbs.
Of course I did not buy a boat of this value without a build sheet. The option for plug n play just happened to come with bags specific to the boat. I haven't been able to find out the size of said bags, hence the post. |
Here is the exact kit from FlyHigh which states a capacity of 1450lbs. More than likely what the dealer installs. The other thing to consider is that many times, the bags won't completely fill to 100% capacity. Still, with 1400 stock, it would seem you would get more than 2300 total.
http://fatsac.com/fatsacs.bifh #W049 2013 X-Star Ballast Sacs 1450 lbs. / 657 kg. 4 sacs, fittings included |
Mike- I can help.
Nice looking boat. There are a few options for the ballast bags. I believe the latest wakemakers setup is 2 500s in the lockers and 2 300s up front. When I got my 13 XStar, I purchased the 750lb bags for the last gen Xstar, and they fit perfect. (That was also what they recommended at the time). I use a single 400, up front, as needed (hardly ever. only use it when surfing stbd) If you are going to surf a lot, get a 1000lb for your coffin. One thing that you may want to consider- Because the XStar rear tanks have a section that runs up to the height of the rubrail, and because the ballast timers are programmable, you can actually piggy back them off of the fill hose (not the vent), and they will fill evenly with your rear tanks. This means, that once you have adjusted your timers, and let the boat learn the new ballast capacity, (uses the level sensor and measures the pump revolutions to calibrate) Your ballast gauges will indicate the level of your total ballast in each rear compartment. This is extremely handy because you always know how much total ballast there is, and you never have to check on the bags. It is just like you installed a 1250lb single tank on each side. Works very slick. Because I didn't use the PNP for my rear bags, I use it to fill my 1000lb Surf bag in the coffin. Everything done from the helm, with very accurate level readings. |
So can you show us some surf pics with your star setup? I would love to see that.
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I have a 1000lb bag, but the coffin is not an option as thats where the subs are going. I was thinking of using the cooler space (500lb bag) and the port bow sac from the kit for a surf setup. Thats an interesting idea about piggy backing the bags off the fill line. I'll have to tinker with that once I get it. So how does the PNP work with the gauges/ballast readings if used how intended? Would you just fill the ballasts until they spit out the sides, then you'd know that the bags are full also? One more thing, when you snap some surf pics, grab some photos of the cooler area, and the same location on the starboard side if you don't mind. Thanks for the great info! |
I watched Parks ride behind a 13 xstar a few months ago and he didn't want ANY front weight. We had stock ballast full (I have no idea how much that was) and like 10 ppl in the back of the boat. His riding was sick but like I said, no weight up front.
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Nose high!
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If using PNP, as they intended, your tanks will fill normally, and give you readings based on the ballast pump revolutions and tank level sensors. The system calculates both for more accurate readings. Your bags will be activated separately, and those will calculate levels based on pump revolutions only. The bags are not vented, so you use the fill gauges to know if they are full. (the first few times, you will want to adjust your timers, and watch the bags. Once the system has learned the bag size, you should be all set) If you are going to surf this boat, you will want a different location for your subs. Put them up in the huge compartment behind the observer seat... |
Actually went out for a little bit last night and snapped a few shots. I didn't see that you wanted the compartment photos before I went out. I will try to get those this weekend.
Only three of us went out, so not as good as when we have a few people to sit in the surf corner, instead of 1 100lb girl....... but it will give you an idea of what the surf wave looks like on the XStar. 4 or 5 people, on the boat, provides a taller wave, but it was still pretty good considering. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...pse1d3cc86.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps4e85b0c5.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps44057bd8.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psc6adcafb.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps76a56c8b.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psfb70090f.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps0686a7ea.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps53a74bba.jpg |
Black vinyl.
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That wave looks pretty good. Certainly dispels the myth that the new star won't surf.
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In any event the wave looks good. |
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It is a little more difficult to clean because of the texture, but not too bad. |
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How is it more difficult to clean? Its definitely more porous, which what keeps it cooler, but how is it tougher to clean? I've ordered some performance boat candy products to try when she comes in. |
Also Eric, what are you referring to as the coffin? I assumed you mean the large area behind/under the observer seat. Where exactly are you putting the 1000lb bag? Whats the rest of your surf setup? 750 in the port rear, stock full? Thanks!
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The coffin is the side compartment that is across from the cooler compartment.... The side bench seat.....
As you know, my tanks and bags are linked together in the back, so that I can have gauge readings on the bags as well. My surf setup (surfing port) is port locker bag+tank full, stbd locker bag+tank 80%, front tank full, and 1000 lb full in the coffin. With that setup, I will usually put two people up in the bow. The setup in the photos was a little different because I didn't have anyone to sit in the bow, or the port side back. It was port locker 80%, stbd locker 30%, front tank full, and about 80% full on the coffin bag. If I had used my usual ballast levels, I would have had to put a 400 up front. The nose rides to high if I don't have at least 1 person sitting up there. I had left that bag on the dock because I didn't think I would need it. I like the fact that you can run 900-1000lbs in the non surf side of this boat. It really makes it more stable when you are stopping/turning around for a rider etc. The Star putts out a nicer wave if you don't lean hard to the surf side. This boat is really funny like that. It loves to be weighted in a way that would kill the surf waves on most other boats. |
Nice looking wave! Post us some boat pics!
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The X-Star is, IMO, the ONLY boat that looks good with that lime green. And man does it look good.
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yeah man, I like it. Congratulations, going to finish the summer off strong!
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You bastard....haha sick boat!!!
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Congratulations on your new boat. Looks great!
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Esteban looks great in that thing...Can you even run that thing in Lake 2 without dredging?
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Great looking boat by the way
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That is a good looking X-star. Like how the metalic is in withe green and black
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Great looking boat man!!!
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Thanks for the comments guys. I was able to get the engine broken in last weekend, and get a few sets behind it. I rode at 75', 23.6mph, tanks full, PNP rear sacs full, and bow sacs at 40%. The wake seemed only slightly larger than my previous x45 setup (similar weight), but was much cleaner, it has a lip, but less lippy than the 45, and it pops you effortlessly. Slack line tricks and spins felt more floaty and tight line tricks out into the flats seem to carry further (45 wake was wider in comparison).
One question I have for Eric is when you pull the throttle all the way back when a rider falls, do you get a splash/prop wash all on the back deck? I do when I pull it quickly back to neutral as a rider falls. sometimes it comes over the rear seats and splashes the flip seat and carpet beneath. So what Ive done is pull off, and let the prop wash chase me by accelerating after I've dethrottled. This makes for a long turnaround to pickup a rider. Any other experience this? Thanks! Oh, couple more pics... Attachment 31695 Attachment 31696 Attachment 31697 |
Usually pictures dont do the boat any justice but in this case that X-Star looks very badass! I cant imagine what it looks like in person. Congrats.
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If you are really heavily weighted, and stopping way to fast, you may need to change the routine a little bit. Its hard to avoid a wake washing over if you stop fast with a lot of ballast on....... Which would be the case in almost all boats, especially Nautiques (Because of the walk through) On another note, if you want to grow that wake, empty the bow sacks. I usually ride the "nose down" wake as well, just because I don't need it HUGE. However it is fun to weight the heck out of the back and scare myself sometimes! :D |
Congrats .... What prop do the new Xstar's come with?... size?
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Sharp looking Star. Tinted windshield would further set it off... just sayin'.
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Eric - i adjusted the auto launch as low as I could. It only allows for adjustment between 14-20mph, so I put it at 14mph. It was at 15mph. Not sure if that will help much but I'll let you know.
Charlie - not sure of exact prop size, i know I got the prop option that goes with the added weight of the PNP. Mason - its on my list of may things... |
Like your ego needs any more boosting but that is one of the sweetest boats I've seen this year.
Well played sir. Well played. |
Can i get a pull brah? Love it.
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I can't stop admiring ur boat man,,,,, just sick, and I am a nautique guy but damn I love ur xstar, so loud but mean at the same time
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Ahaha thanks dude. Thats pretty much what I was going for, loud and mean. Someone called it a green goblin transformer the other day. :rolleyes::D
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That last picture is money. Mastercraft should post it on their website. I had not warmed up to the new star until I saw that.
Taking on water when loaded is part of owning an X*. Its the price you pay for the sleek lines. If you had enough freeboard to prevent it, it would look like a G23. |
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That is an absolutely gorgeous boat! Black and Green is growing on me something serious after those pictures!
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That's a great looking boat. And the color of the water just adds to the over all coolness of the photo. The silver metal flake add's another dimension. Personally I was getting pretty tired of the Black and Green (monster energy colors) but the silver flake sets it off. I never thought I would be a fan of Black and Green interior but your boat looks cool
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The kicker about that, is, when you have that much freeboard, the boat mfg. will usually do a walk-through like the G has (to avoid having to step so high to get on the sunpad)...... And because of that, it is very easy to have the wave come over the back of a G. Definitely easier than an XStar, in my experience..... Especially when surfing. Mike- did you figure out how to change the plate to avoid the rooster tail coming over? If not, I will get into my settings, and take a photo for you, the next time I am out at the lake house. |
It won't let me adjust below 14mph and still washes . Take a pic of yours if you don't mind.
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Dealer says a software update is available that will fix the plate issue and it's currently being tested with a few pro boats. Should be Available the public in a few weeks.
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Thanks Mike...it is beautiful!!!
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Beautiful boat where do you keep it in Louisiana? If you ever need a third I would love to ride the next Xstar.
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