Wake or Wave?
 

What's your opinion?

Is it time to start calling these monster Surf Wakes....>>........ Waves...........?

Oh boy, this is going to turn into another push vs lift terminology discussion, I can feel it.

I still feel that it should go by this definition though,

Wave = Made by a natural source, wind, currents, etc. Commonly found in the ocean

Wake = Made by a boat as it passes by and disturbs the water

Imagine if everyone refers to them as waves instead, I can totally see dumb people arguing with the river patrol, "I can totally surf here, this isn't a wake, it's a surf wave" lol

By the actual definitions, it seems like it could go either way though.

Wake="the track of waves left by a ship or other object moving through the water"
Wave="a disturbance on the surface of a liquid body, as the sea or a lake, in the form of a moving ridge or swell."

FYI, I voted Wake, because it's artificial.

Wake

Bingo.

It's a wake, so why not refer to it as one? If you say wave then you should call it wavesurfing and waveboarding and waveskating. It's all the same thing just done at different speeds.

I usually say wake, but I don't think it matters much.

Speaking of which, I just had a friend yesterday ask me, "So, did you go out watersurfing last weekend?"

Basically a mash up of waterskiing (as opposed to snowskiing) and surfing (as opposed to snow surfing :confused:). She was dead serious too, but to be fair she's never really been a boat or watersports person and was just making conversation.

But yes, the name kind of dictates what it is. It was named that for a reason.

as long as she didn't ask you if you went "waterboarding"

From Tige site:
The Tigé Convex VX is the only device ever created for surf wave ENHANCEMENT.

From the Nautique site:
The NSS uses our WAVEPLATE technology to manipulate the wave form without the need to move people and ballast from side to side

From the Malibu site:
Using Malibu's proprietary water diversion technology, a watersports boat can produce a surf wave, and almost instantaneously change the surf wave from one side of the boat to the other

From the Mastercraft Site:
Each Gen 2 Surf System is a wake shaping device beneath the transom that sculpts the wave

From the Supra Site:
Surf Clean Custom Shaped Wave With Supra Swell

I chose SurfWAKE because its being formed by the boat, but it seems like the term Wave gets used the majority of the time were out wakesurfing. I think its mostly because its the closest thing to a real surfwave us prairie boys have.

I usually say, I don't care. Please hand me a beer.

You Tige guys ... The Centurion CATS system is a wake enhancing device ...

Eh. People know what you are talking about either way.

Technically - the wake is the turbulence caused by the boat moving through the water. The waves are created by that wake turbulence. So - both boat waves and oven waves are called "waves" - they are just caused by different phenomena.

Your boat's wake causes the wave to form. That's why "no wake" zones are called what they are.

Didn't you all learn this when you studied hydrodynamics in grad school? Lord Kelvin and the Kelvin Wake Pattern?

As an aside - did you know that all wakes leave any given boat at the same (19.5*) angle? Good stuff.

^^ Very Interesting Hypothesis ^^

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...tern-for-ships

BTW..The angle is 19.47*... lol

Like cheesesteak said, technically they are all waves, some waves are also wakes. I generally use the term wake to distinguish between surfing waves and provide more information than just wave. Wakesurfing is not surfing, it shares very little in common with surfing beyond marketing. Wake surfing is wakesurfing until a better more suitable term is derived.
Nick

I use both terms.

I wonder if this 19.5 degree angle has anything to do with Malibu's choice of angle for their surfgate???

without getting all technical, I think of a wake having two parts, one on each side of the boat.

A single wave IMO, is what pushes you forward while surfing. I call it a wave on my boat.

boatsurfing

Call it a Wake... I've seen bigger waves in the toliet :D

I surf Rincon regularly, one of the best point breaks in California. I have also surfed behind a fully dialed Enzo. The 2.5 foot "wave" behind the Enzo is almost identical to a 2.5 wave at Rincon at lower tide. In fact, the Enzo "wave" probably has a little more power than any 2.5 foot ocean wave. I refute the notion that surfing behind a boat is completely different from surfing in the ocean. It is almost identical in most respects. You can even do an ocean style get-up by throwing the rope before getting up, which is what I usually do just to practice and for exercise. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. The Enzo definitely puts out a quality ocean-style "wave".

WakeSurfing

^^^^^ what he said

Less is More!!

Who cares...just ride it.

Next step - if you ride cable you have to say "cableboarding" - yes? winch - winchboarding? or even carboarding or horseboarding? Who care?

Cable takes skill as with wakeboarding but I can't get into it at all. Even when I see a video start and I see a cable, rail, or kicker I immediately stop watching. I know why I don't like it...it's because there's no boat involved. I'm 43, I've owned 8 boats in my life so having the boat is half the fun for me.

Definately a wake, up here in the north east you can tell when some tourist is trying to sound to radical, hip, and surfer dudey (hah dudey) when they comment on the boats "WAVE"

Wish there was an option for who cares, it's semantics.

I just follow the boat

That's how we dumb down how to be pulled for newbies without over complicating it.
"Hold on to the rope and follow the boat"

All wakes are waves but not all waves are wakes. And I do care. I guess I gotta go get a life.:D:banghead:

Then there's this thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3LK...layer_embedded