In 2003, when XXL magazine asked many hip-hop artists to list their five favorite MCs, Biggie's name appeared on more rappers' lists than anyone else. <BR> <BR>hip-hop has spoken

Holy crap, are you guys really arguing about who is the better rapper/artist???? You do realize that it's subjective and that some people like things that others don't, right???? There has got to be better ways for you to waste time! <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

i like some of pac's stuff, i just don't understand the obsession with it. thats all.

dave, do you like tool? what are your favorite bands?

I think Aenima is was of the greatest albums ever and Sober is probably one of the best songs ever. I saw them in SD and got passed around the crowed many times. One of the best shows I've been too. <BR> <BR>However, I haven't been able to get into Tool since that album. I don't know what changed, but it all sounds like A Perfect Circle and to me is kind of boring. <BR> <BR>It reminds me of the change in Metallica starting with the Black album. I can't quite put my finger on the reason, but I absolutely love pre-Black album Metallica and I could care less about post-Black album Metallica. I'm sure some of it has to do with radio playing both those bands waaaaaay to much during those periods and just ruining it for me! <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

Dave, can you post that as a m3U file or something.

David- How do you post a table on here? Can you copy and paste a word table?

I know what you mean about their style changning a bit. I like a few of the perfect songs, but its totally different. thought Lateralis a step in the right direction, but still different. seems like you have listen pretty intently to find what you're looking for. <BR> <BR>Saw them in 2000 in New Orleans. Talk about a show. Saw a guy get busted with a BIG bag o 'shrooms. (wish he could've gotten in!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0> ) I loved that show. <BR> <BR>I guess the 'drive' to create that music goes away when you reach stardom. happens to so many bands...

dude xxl is a east coast mag. if pac had all his fame in new york. they would call him a god and biggie would be pacs disciple. they really dont give 50 a alot of love because hes with dre a lot. it dont matter just listen to what makes your head bob. this is just my opinion. i really think that the east coast dont like west coast rap because they dont think its REAL hip hop. who really cares. they want the majority to say biggie is the best but they dont. i listen to what rappers say not what a mag that needs to sell copies says. to each his own.

Check the formatting help file to do a table. That's actually the first one I've done. I copied from ITunes to Excel and then to here with the table tag.

P.O.D. Rise, off from the Satellite album. That tune pumps me up to get air. fitting song for the occasion.

Dave - You mentioned A Perfect Circle...Really liking their tune Passive...

all eyes on me,you got you facts all messed up dude.I'm not going to argue who is better.Ask those same hip hop people and they will tell that album sales have nothing to do with who is better. <BR> <BR>Quick fact so you are not confused: <BR> <BR>Fact-2 pac sold the most albums(all together)counting back to the late 80's. <BR> <BR> <BR>The all eyes on me was not the best hip hop selling album.2 pac never really made it across the sea's. <BR> <BR>Fact-Marshall Mathers LP is... <BR> <BR>Talking about individual albums,nothing got close to what Marshall Mathers LP sold.

Ed, I though you would be bumpin 2pac by noon on Friday at Tulloch rather than arguing about it... you too "all eyes"

need some help <BR>I don't know many rap tunes.... <BR>what is the song that TNT palys at the beginning of the NBA games <BR>it's about <BR>...% inspiration <BR>...% perspiration <BR> <BR>sorry <BR>that's the best I can do <BR>thanks

remember the name by fort minor?

guess I really botched the words <BR> <BR>ha!

Cliff- <BR> Check out Petrified by Fort Minor. It's my favorite on that album.

thanks coach

hey big ed. i got some info for you. from wikipedia.org. tupac is the best selling rap artist with 75 million copies sold world wide. with 25 million sold out of the us. he is also in the guinness book of world records with 75 million total copies sold. em's best album sold 20 million copies and pacs "the don killuminati, 7 day theory" sold 25 million copies. pac is all over the world. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0> you are right in the fact that alleyez is not the best selling rap album. i dont really matter anyways. they both are hella dope to listen to. i just cant find info thats official. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on May 06, 2007) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on May 06, 2007)

I knew you were gonna bust out the wikipedia.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Jerry,trust me on this one......I'm a hip hop head and been listening nothing but rap since I was 12.Only now am I venturing into different music. <BR> <BR> <BR>2 pac is dope but to say the greatest is a stretch for anybody to have that title.Rap comes in many forms and he represented 10% of rap(at the most and that's giving credit)How can someone be the greatest and represent so little of what rap stands for. <BR> <BR>Everybody has their moment,I can't compare how good somebody was in '94 to somebody in '01. <BR> <BR> <BR>FYI,I go across seas as much as possible and I can tell you that only people that really like and follow hip hop knows of 2 pac.Now Em and 50 cent,the whole world knows about.I will say that big part of that is that hip hop is just getting bigger and bigger so when it was 2 pacs time,hip hop was not that big across seas and I don't mean only Japan. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by big_ed_x2 on May 06, 2007)

You gotta pick up EverReady: the religion, by Tech N9ne this album is awesome to ride to....and just about any Mac Dre and Dre Dogg

Tool...anything on Opiate. Now that was kick ass Tool!

i see what your saying. im just a huge fan of his so its easy for me to say hes the best.

Hooch-Everything <BR>Elephant Bones- That Handsome Devil <BR>Face Down- The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus <BR>Prayer of the Refugee- Rise Against <BR>Chili Peppers!! <BR>Incubus <BR> <BR>just a taste

No doubt one of the greatest! <BR> <BR>That being said,just b/c biggie and pac were not getting along doesn't mean that biggies music was not up to par with pac. <BR>I used to think exactly like you since I'm west coast type of guy and then my best friend at the time kept throwing biggie in.For a while I refused to truly listen to him until one day it was like,hey you got that biggie?lol Let me burn that shiz.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>after close evaluation of both of their music,I prefer biggie and for more then one reason.One of the reasons....biggie made feel good music for everybody,pac did feel good music for mostly black people. <BR> Jerry,the songs you listed from biggie were the generic type....listen to the not so commercialized biggie.Listen to his 1st album,i guarantee you'll gain respect and love for his music.

hey big ed and nacho. like pac said"its just me against the world". me saying pac is the best ever is just my opinion. i grew up on eazy,dre,celly cell, rbl possee,run dmc,beastie boys,eric b and rock m, just to list a few. yes pac made music for his people but most of all he made music for the under dog. he loved all kinds of people not just blacks. his songs are about struggle and pain.which everyone can relate to. trying to make it out of the bottom and get to the top.you can feel the pain in his songs. yes its hard for most to say who the best is,but its real easy for me to say pac is. thats all.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>he made music for the under dog.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>that's hip hop in general<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p> he loved all kinds of people not just blacks.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I can't say I felt that in his music,maybe even a little racist.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p> his songs are about struggle and pain.which everyone can relate to. trying to make it out of the bottom and get to the top.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>like I said,that's hip hop in general and this is what attracted me to it 2 decades ago.

Pixes= Where is my mind. <BR>The faint= Posed to death <BR>Ramstein= Du Hast <BR>Idewild= No emotion <BR>DJ Shadow= Building steam with a grain of salt <BR>Chk Chk Chk= Yadnus <BR>Jedi Mind Tricks <BR>Clap your hand and say yeah= Upon this tidal wave <BR>Danger Doom= Sofa King

You guys are killing my 2007 Rock playlist mojo with all this 2PAC jargon! <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/sad.gif" border=0>

All eyes on me... saw you trolling in your boat all weekend but I didn't hear any beets coming out of that thing! Whats going on?

well big ed. maybe you need to listen to some pac. dude for real. i dont speak on biggie because i dont know much about him. i know a lot on pac so i speak on it. dude calling pac a racist is real lame. watch his doc resurrection and then tell me hes racist. speak what you know not what you think.pac always had love for white people.his best friend in Baltimore was white. attila. i love systems but im not "that guy" that has a huge system and has to be heard. i like to bump music but i dont like to show off. if you came up to me i would of loved to show you the system and let you here it. maybe next time. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on May 07, 2007)

sorry about the high jack attila.

Too many to list but these are my faves <BR> <BR>Shocore - All of their Songs <BR>Kottonmouth Kings - Lets Ride, Here we go again <BR>Guns N Roses - You Could Be Mine, Welcome to the Jungle <BR>Finntroll - Ellytres Berc <BR>Black Crowes - Cocaine <BR>HIM - Sigillum Diaboli <BR>The Living End - Carry Me Home

I told myself I wasn't going to discuss it and here I am going back and forth.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>racist,compared to biggies music,YES he was in general NO he was not.Dude,I listen to pac way before you did I'm sure!Don't tell me I don't know and not to speak on it.There are soo many songs he referred to blacks being better which biggie never/rarely referred to! <BR> <BR>Sorry Attila....but didn't you say that was enough of music til 2008.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

pac quote"all my enemies envy me" big ed. its funny how i like pac and my name is all eyez on me and you like biggie and your name is big ed. good stuff <BR> <BR>(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on May 07, 2007)

"Joker and the Thief" by Wolfmother is a great song to ride to. <BR>Just throwing that out there <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

"I've lurked in the shadows here to watch the downfall of my enemies." Shakespeare! HA <BR> <BR>Shakespeare was racist! LOL give it a break guys! <BR> <BR>(Message edited by attila916 on May 07, 2007)

No rap??? What do all the strippers dance to? I tried to mix it up this weekend but all they wanted was RAP RAP RAP.

what about some rob zombie. does anyone play manson? hey sean a great rock stripper song is girls,girls,girls by montley crew.. so ive herd..lol

I like rob zombie... what song? <BR> <BR>I play Manson when I ride... Dope show and Personal Jesus are on my 2006 playlist. <BR> <BR>Sean, Rap is not all the way, I just dislike all the new crap on the radio. I don't think there has been any good stuff out in the last 5 years. I like all the old stuff from back in high school days and before...

So Rich, So Pretty - Mickey Avalon <BR> <BR>Hahah I D/L this song and I love it. Is it horrible if it describes one of my best girl friends to the letter?

The new Bone Thugs album Strength and Loyalty is awesome...just got it and I could not find a sing I didnt like

Swollen Members <BR>Styles Of Beyond <BR>Dilated Peoples <BR>Art Of Act <BR>MYG <BR>Dj Honda <BR>Dj Greyboy <BR>Mixes By Mark Frank Montoya <BR>Cunnilinguists <BR>Dj Spinna <BR>Dj Babu <BR>Jurassic 5 <BR>Aceyalone <BR>Mat The Alien <BR>Grand Master Flash <BR>...and The Rock Steady Crew - (is my favorite!)

Rick Astley <BR>Michael Bolton <BR>Billy Ocean (only b/c I can't find my NKOTB tape)

Attila--Rob Zombie's Sinister Urge--Demon Speeding, Feel so Numb, Never gonna Stop

You can't go wrong with anything off of Sinister Urge!

atmosphere is sick (i know im comign in a little late) <BR> <BR>reflections, say hey there, trying to find a balance, and los angeles are what ive been going with lately

That is funny but my name had NOTHING to do with biggie. <BR> <BR>I was this same size back when I was 16 so my friend at the time called me BigEd since he hated calling me Ed-dogg. <BR>Since Ed-dogg sound young after a while,I decided to go with biged since it describes me soo much better!A dog I'm not,maybe just loyal like one but the doggy in me left a long time ago!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>

Fort Minor - Green Lantern Remix Album..... If you don't have it, get it, find it, steal it, whatever you have to do, get it.... <BR> <BR>Swollen Members <BR>Atmosphere <BR>SweatShop Union

i love J5! Thx Boris, i had forgotten about those guys. There are so many musicians/artists these days its hard to keep up with. I think its great, so many different styles of music. Something for everyone to relate to or appreciate. I'll have to check on the newer Zombie stuff too! <BR> <BR>Good discussion guys. Glad this thread kept going. New music is sweet!

311, Sublime, Pepper, Slightly Stoopid, Bob Marley, Godsmack, Alice n Chanis, Pearl Jam, RAtM, STP, Velvet Revolver, RHCP, Deftones, Jimi Hendrix, Weezer, Snoop Dogg, and more

Pennywise <BR>Rancid <BR>Bad Religion <BR>Reel Big Fish <BR>No Use For A Name <BR>Snuff <BR>Gimme Gimmes <BR>Swollen Members <BR> <BR>I unfortunately have to add 80's music to the list as my wife loves 80's music.

can anybody tell me some chill music (kinda relaxed music) <BR> <BR>right now i got some slightly stoopid and 311

this is it right here <BR> <BR>atmosphere [tryin to find a balance, smart went crazy, the arrival...] <BR> <BR>aesop rock <BR>aceyclone <BR>abstract rude <BR>andre nikatina <BR>blueprint <BR>blackalicous <BR>chronic future <BR>company flow <BR>crown city rockers <BR>da backwudz <BR>del tha funkay homsaipien <BR>dilated peoples <BR>federation <BR>gift of gab <BR>hieroglyphics <BR>house of pain <BR>immortal technique <BR>keak da sneak <BR>kotton mouth kings <BR>life savas <BR>lmno <BR>lyrics born <BR>mac dre <BR>mikah 9 <BR>mista FAB <BR>moka only <BR>myg <BR>the pack <BR>people under the stairs <BR>pep love <BR>primmer 55 <BR>sage francis <BR>souls of mischief <BR>swollen members <BR>tha alkaholcs <BR>turf talk

trevors down for the bay. nice pimp

brett - try the expendables, long beach dub allstars

long beach all stars are dope!! and Mark Farina's Mushroom Jazz Vol. 5 is sick as well.