Sharing the stoke! Boat just sold, time to order!!
 

I've had my Tige 21i for sell for a month or so now. It went to a new home today. The boat has been great the last 2 years, and it was really fun and rewarding doing most of the upgrades myself and making it look better than new! It was time to part with it to move on to bigger and better! I've gotten a quote on an Axis A22 with SG. I may be ordering first thing Monday morning. I just have to get some colors finalized on the interior and get a build spot!!!! I had to share the stoke! Im debating on wether or not to wait til the boat show to order, or go ahead and pull the trigger now. My dealer is offering 8% off MSRP. I got a quote on a tricked gel, tricked trailer with quite a few options. I dont think I can wait for the boat shows even if I wanted too!! :D

congrats Bryce!

Yeah Boi!i!i!

Congrats Bryce! I would wait,8% off isn't that good of a deal.Shop around and see what other areas have to offer. You could buy somewhere else with a temporary address and retitle it at home. I would expect at least 20% to 25% off. Good Luck.

Sounds good! Don't listen to Robert, he doesn't appreciate the fact that bu doesn't inflate axis's msrp that much.

Awesome Bryce!

Don't mean to dampen the stoke but msrp inflation for a base a22 is about 33%. A base x25 is also about 33% inflated from dealer cost. Rz2? 33%. Mxz? 34%. 210? 33%. SA is 44% markup.... Haha.

8% sucks if they're in fact inflating MSRP 33%! Especially when no money will change hands for them on a custom order when I put 10% or more down.

Bryce,

I would think that yeah maybe you could get a slightly better deal if you wait, not because of inflation so much as the dealers still are wanting to sell the 13's. I tend to think CHATT is going to know what he is talking about. With that being said you are getting a boat with some new features and will be yours 6mo earlier. Just do it, it will be sweet.

I post pics of mine when it gets here any day now!!!!!!

"At least 20-25% off"

Seriously, at least? Come on....

Does anyone know if Wetsounds 808's will fit in an A22? I know that the cutouts would have to be enlarged, but I wonder if there's even room in the bow and cabin to fit 808's in the stock speaker locations? Would the hassle of fitting 808's be worth it rather than just going with the xs 650s?

I've gotten 20 to 25% off every boat i've bought.Four Winns,Correct Craft and both Tige's.That's from 1989 to 2011.Times may have changed but i doubt it. Obama's still in office you know!:D

Apples and oranges.

Sounds more like sour grapes from the all knowing Tennessee Wine!:D

Robert, according to your logic, Craftsman and SnapOn must also have the same markup simply because they both sell wrenches. I guess you know should know; however, as you have proven yourself time and time again to be the king of all tools. Now, go clear the wake behind your tige with factory ballast at 150 ft and report back.

Ouch!

Chatt ,actually Craftsman and Snap-on do have very similar profit structures. At least there within 5% of each other.The difference is in the quality of the two.The Snap-on tools are made of a much better grade of steel and go thru many more machining and finishing processes. That is why Snap-on costs more. It's like a plastic snow shovel and a steel snow shovel.Both have similar profit markups. The steel shovel however costs more and lasts longer.You don't honestly expect everyone on here to believe Axis is working on a greatly reduced profit margin. By that i mean percentage.As for being a tool. It's much better than having to constantly wipe the brown stains off your nose.

Somehow, I'm not surprised by the non sequitur.

Robert,

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I had to Google what non sequitur means.

But the non sequitur comment was kinda non sequitur itself...

Actually Bryce asked if 8% off MSRP was a good deal.I stated my opinion based on personal experience.You immediately tell him i don't know what I'm talking about.I've sold many different makes of cars as a new car salesman.I've sold many different tools for 27 years.I've dealt with hundreds of different manufacturers for over 30 years. I've also bought 3 different brands of boats. All of the boats i've purchased at 20% or more off MSRP.You sound like a Lawyer saying don't worry you'll be fine.Bryce is making a big purchase and asking for help.Your saying don't worry you'll be fine.That doesn't sound like experience talking.Wouldn't you agree?

Sounds to me like Chat didn't get 20% off so why would anyone else? :D If '14's are just rolling in, you might not be able to get the best deals to be had since the demand is going to be higher for those.

I haven't seen many Axis go for much more than 10% off MSRP. They don't crank up the MSRP on those like they do the BUs. They'd have to be stickers in the 80s, which I don't see ever.

Congrats on the boat sale, man. You will love the wakeboard wake on the axis

Robert, did you get 20% off when you ordered in August on a boat with options available for the next model year? How much could he hope to argue for? Maybe 20% off a stocked lot boat at this time, but 20% off a boat that doesn't exist yet?

Real question, not bustin chops.

That is a legitimate question and kind of what I was getting at. If they had a '13 inventory boat, they might go a little bigger on the discount.

Back in 2010 we got 15% off the sticker price they had on the Axis we purchased. Couldn't tell you if that was MSRP or just "sticker" price after the dealer knocked some off the MSRP to make it look better.

..and I'd say that was a screaming deal on that boat

This may be true from the factory costs to dealer costs. But from the dealer cost to MSRP that everyone advertises its like an instant 33+ percent on all brands.

I can't remember what month I bought the 1989 Four Winns.The 1992 Correct Craft Nautique Exel we bought in May of 1992 .It listed for 32k and we paid 25k. The 2007 Tige 22VE we ordered in October of 2006 and paid for it in December of 2006. The 2011 RZ2 we ordered in February of 2011 and paid for it in late March of 2011. We got 20% off the first Tige and with help from the factory we saved 25% on our current Tige. Both boats were loaded with most of the options available at the time. I have friends with Malibu's that have saved similar amounts. I've only heard of deals people have gotten at boat shows on Axis. I didn't know them personally. All I'm saying is there's still money on the table.How much Bryce gets is up to him.The more times you get up and leave the more they get uneasy. I never trade in my old boats,I've always sold them myself. I got 10k more than the dealer offered me for my last boat.Patience equals savings.

Then it's a conspiracy by all dealers, because none of them are selling at even half that margin form MSRP...... Brian got 15% off MSRP and got a smoking deal on an axis in 2010.... They aren't marked up with the same margins the BUs are

Have you figured out where the 2 W7's are going yet Bryce?

I appreciate all the opinions! Its not like I have unlimited funds, so if I have to wait to save 6k I will. 6K is a nice chunk of change IMO. It'd pay for the system I will be putting in myself. According to my dealer, they dont have boat show pricing on the Axis line in the past years. They will be getting back to me on pricing as the main guy was out of the office today. I guess I wont blurt out what they offer because I dont want to upset the dealer or anyone else. But I can say, I sure hope to be between 12-15% off. Summer will be over in 2 months at the most, so Im anxious to see how bad they want to sell. It isn't like I want them to give me a free boat, but I dont want to be marked up 25-30% either. Will we ever find out just how much Axis MSRP is inflated??? :D I think its save to say somewhere between 20-33% haha

haha, no I haven't. I may go with a different sub set up on this boat. Who knows.

I've got to come to an agreement with the dealer first, or I may be buying a used bu or xstar :eek: :D

http://www.seedealercost.com/boats

Picked up on this site a couple of years ago from a general boating forum. Do you guys not use this site? Similar to edmunds for cars.

New poster/long time reader. Just trying to help other boat shoppers. No affiliation whatsoever.

So according to that site dealer cost vs MSRP is a 25% mark up for a vandall.... Like I siad 15% is a good deal on an axis. It's a business, the dealer still has to make money

What color scheme are you going for?

Agreed^^

All Black tricked gel, with green metal flake accents. Black tricked trailer with green flake fenders with the rockstars. Probably mostly cement on the interior, with black accent and the black grain.

If I pull the trigger tomorrow, I will have a build slot the first week in September.

Sounds bad ass, remember all that flake and tricked out trailer will increase your cost quite a bit

Yea, I have the quote sheet showing MSRP on everything from when I sat down and built it with my dealer. Hopefully we can compromise on price, and get one ordered tomorrow!

Post pics, I'm loving how these axis are looking with the flake. Good luck man, everyone loved riding behind Bruizas axis

25%?? He's selling it for 1.33333 times the amount he paid. 16 k over invoices is what malibu wants you to charge. 16,535(projected profit) / 49,636(dealer cost)= .33 x100 is 33% over invoice, which is exactly the same as every other inboard boat on the website... Yea the dealer has to eat, too. but there's more room on the table...

I also hate the " you have to buy local" game these manufacturers try to play to keep prices high

I'm not sure where you learned your math but 33% of $66181 is 21839, which means he'd get the boat for $44342, which according to invoice is 5K bellow what the dealer paid for it. It's not what is 33% of invoice, it's 33% off of MSRP. Most people don't know what invoice is, only MSRP. Doesn't matter what invoice is. In fact invoice doesn't include shipping, dealer handling or any of the other costs the dealer accrues to make the sale. We have no clue what those costs are, and those get rightly passed onto the customer. That's business. When you go shopping and get something on sale do they give you 25% OFF OF PROFIT OR 25% off of total cost??? Total cost, because you have no way of knowing what the invoice cost and cost accrued by the seller is. Spin the numbers all you want, you're wrong.

If you're talking a 33% margin, you're still wrong, because you don't know what their margin is. You have no idea what rent/mortgage, employee cost, shipping, dealer handling, ect ect. So all you know what MSRP is, and if you think 33% off of MSRP is normal you're out of your mind

Damn, what a rainy parade on this celebration thread. I say get the boat you want for the price you are willing to pay and enjoy the heck out of it. If you are willing to pay it then you got a good enough deal and that's all that matters. You'll have $6k worth of fun and memories in the boat and will never look back. I don't even know you and I'm excited for you and look forward to seeing what sounds like an incredible ride. I may hate you out of envy once you post pictures of that bad boy, but that's another story.

Profit/cost= percent profit, but okay.Shipping is charged separate though likely negotiated out in your deal. And I don't care about the dealers bottom line, that's not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about inboard boat inflation. NOT what YOU pay at the dealer. "Malibu/axisdoesn't mark their boats up as much" yes, they do. They mark them up 33%. From dealer cost to msrp is a 33% mark up just like every other inboard which means you should get the same deal, in percentage, as a malibu, nautique, mastercraft, tige etc . They set market cost at 1.33x dealer cost, 133% of dealer cost. So does mastercraft, nautique, tige... Youre talking about what kind of deal you get. Plus where did I say anything about getting 33% off? No where, they mark up price you pay based on cost to him not msrp.

And yes, my next angry point is how they try to restrict you to buying from 1 local dealer, but don't get me started on that...

simplej - unless you work at a dealership that sells those boats and/or are privy to invoice/msrp numbers, how can you be so confident in your numbers?

Simplej- your statement about 'all manufacturers mark up 33%' is simply not factual. I'm sorry.

Bottom line is a 'good deal' is a state of mind...it's not a contest to see who got the most off of MSRP.

When I buy I car, I certainly do my pricing research, but if I drive off the lot comfortable with my purchase terms, the product, and the dealership experience then I always feel as though I got a 'good deal'.

The best deal is when both parties walk away happy, but thinking they might have gotten just a little more. It's a business and you want to make sure you get a good deal and the dealer makes something too. It's a mutually beneficial relationship, and when one side screws the other then the relationship and experience suffers.

I don't work at a dealership, do you chatt? Because you are the one who first posted that malibu doesn't inflate the prices That much. Which you would have had known to all the pricing to see, and if see dealer cost isn't correct then maybe you would be so kind as to enlighten us?
I will admit I have no price sheet in front of me and that I have been using see dealer cost for a reference, which, may, or may not be a correct source and will vary on case to case basis.

With that said there's not sense in me arguing inflation of msrp from dealer cost or how to calculate a percent markup from this point. Nor do I have any input on what is a good or bad deal. I just think the whole industry is inflating prices and attempting to eliminate too much competition between dealers.

This. You don't just buy a boat you buy a relationship that could last. Chances are ( unfortunately) that you will need warranty work and service here. Keeping the dealer paid and getting a good deal are a balance. You may need them as much as they need you.

I used to work at a MC dealer and our bottom line deal was 22.5% margin. That was as low as we were allowed to sell without the owner giving the homey hook up. Our dealer owned the local malibu dealer also, granted axis did not exist yet but malibu had even higher margins. Malibu at the time was considered one of the most profitable boats in the industry. With how expensive boats have gotten I find it impossible to believe that margins have gone down.

Pulled the trigger a bit ago and ordered the A22. I found out, that the MSRP that I was going off of did not include the boat prep and delivery. So with all that it spec'd around 78k with basically every option. I got what I thought to be a great deal on it, so like everyone said, thats the main thing. The dealer assured me they would take care of me with everything so I feel good with it. Boat should be delivered by the end of September! Still a month of boating season after that in Northern oklahoma!! :D

Congratulations man, what engine did you get?

The 330 hp

Congrats Bryce!

Congratulations Bryce! I'm sure you'll be happy with your new boat!!!! Have fun.

60K for blinged out 2013 A22 Vandall & Trailer.
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Now that is cool....

What was the MSRP on the Vandall? It couldn't be much more than 70k or Chatt would be way off base.;) If it was 72k that would be over 16% off.:eek:

Who says its brand new 0 hours?

That Vandall is bananas.

First of all, Robert, the boat is now a model year old. I bet the MSRP on that boat was somewhere in the 70's. My point was, and remains, that the markup on the Axis line is not as much as it is with BU. Why do I believe that, because I know what msrp was on my 11 A22, on my 12 A22 and on my 13 LSV, as well as what invoice was on those boats.

Robert, you can continue to act like a petulant child, it makes no difference to me.

Why try to rain even more on his parade by showing that 2013? Fact of the matter is, I believe he's getting a better deal on his '14 than that '13 from what I know. :)

Although my 2012 with the LS3 is a better deal than both of those LOL!
(bryce - you know I'm not trying to make you feel bad about that... well maybe a little)

Not my intention, just showing a somewhat comparison. If it were me I would go with the '14 model solely for the SG (future resale). Plus I just really liked the color scheme and thought I would pass it on. To Bryce, congratulations on your purchase and looking forward to what your new Axis will look like.

Haha I feel bad passing up on it fiver. Ah, ok I'm over it :p :D

Chatt why even acknowledge me? Because you know what i'm saying makes PERFECT sense.That's why you deflect the comment and smooth talk saying nothing meaningful to regain what you believe is an advantage in the discussion.;)Have a great day my friend.

SHEEEEEEIT, for 78k you should've bought Chatts not even broken in LSV for 80!

Hopefully I didnt mis inform. 78k MSRP was what it spec'd with everything including prep and delivery. I didnt pay even close to that. 15% off of that seemed to be fair to me and the dealer.

And I opted for deckadence at the last second, so it was actually closer to 79,500 MSRP. I would agree with Delta though, I would way rather have Chatt's boat for the extra 13k.

He got at least 8% off a number i assume to be a thousand to two thousand less.Probably 69K to 70k would be my guess.Maybe even as low as 68k.

Oops! posted too soon.Sounds like you got a great deal Bryce! Almost twice what Chatt said was a good deal.15% imagine that?

Congrats Bryce! I hope you enjoy your boat. Post up some pics when you can. If you have any questions that I can help you with, pm me and I'll shoot you my number.

Thanks guys. I honestly didnt mean to start a drama deal over MSRP. The number that the computer spit out that I jotted down thinking it was the final number didnt include the prep and delivery ($5,000 :eek:) So thats my bad for assuming. I was just wanting a good deal like anyone would. I'll definitely be posting pics for everyone when I take delivery of it. And also the system I will be putting in it :D I think we can all agree that this thread turned into a pretty damn good read:D

And Mason, great looking boat and congrats on the new purchase!!!

First off congrats in the boat Bryce. I think you got a great deal. The first deal of 8% off was weak in my opinion, but I have had more people than anyone would imagine walk in and just pay MSRP on some Nauti's and Centurions I sold.
Second.

I did work for a mfg for 6 yrs. I know what my brand invoiced and what they were sold for. There is a whole lot to the invoiced price and what the dealer actually pays. The invoice price is not always the price the dealer pays. That invoice "sheet" number is just a general number as well. Not exact. There are only a small number of people at the dealership who know exactly what tge actually paid for the boat sitting on the showroom floor and in most cases it ain't the Salesman. They just have the invoice number as well. Sometimes dealers are given special pricing/incentives on certain orders. A lot has changed in the industry tho. Where you used to be "loaned boats" for sale now some mfg make certain dealerships pay up front for inventory in full and require minimum orders for stock.

Here is the honest fact. Robert and Chatt are both somewhat correct. Different MFG have different end game margins. I will take the Correct Craft line simply because I am familiar with that. I will also take the Centurion line. Correct Craft back when I was dealing with boats had a " good deal " margin of around 20-25% off MSRP on their boats. People would price out a Nautiue boat and then want to price out a Centurion in the showroom floor next to it. It was very hard for people to take the fact I simply could not give them 25% off the MSRP in the Centurion. It just couldn't happen. At most it was 18. Also MSRP is not regulated, well wasn't back then anyways. You could have two identical boats on 2 dealers floors and neither would price out exactly the same on a pricing sheet. It's all a numbers game. I will also say the MSRP's on the Tige dealership here are so inflated its rediculous. The are Nautique prices all day long. They are 8-10k over other dealerships and they will not deal.


The MSRP discount also applies to Malibu and Axis. No way are you getting the same perecent off an Axis as you are a Bu. This is the same for Moomba vs Supra as well. While not the same % difference as tbe axis/bu comparison , but you still will get more off percentage wise on a Supra vs. Moomba in general. There is just nothing to make up on the Moomba with to cut corners. Obviously certain models in each lineup also have different margins. That's an entirely other topic as well, but that is also fact. You can't expect the same percentage off say their flagship boat over a model that doesn't sell very well or have a high demand.


As said above the best deal is one you feel comfortable with. I always love when dealerships throw the bull%€€ line of "we are actually losing money on this sale." Bologna. You wouldn't sell me anything if it required money out of your pocket or the deerships pocket ..........So spare me. I will say this and this is also fact. Boat show pricing and options more often than not are going to be the best deals on current year products. The mfg give dealerships incentives to move boats. Otherwise the end of the year clearance everyone talks about is all dealer related on how much they are willing to sacrifice on profit at a chance to fill floor space with new year product.


Again man congrats on the new Ride.

Whoa whoa whoa, I only dream of owning a boat like such but that won't happen for a few more years thanks to College. I was passing on the good word for an A22 Vandall that I found on TMC. Anywho, congratulations on your purchase Bryce and looking forward to pics of your beauty.

My boat was sprayed 9/10. I finally got a hold of the right people to send me some pics. I got these this morning and am pretty excited about it!
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