There has been a lot of discussion lately about ballast. A lot of darts thrown at one brand or another for offering ballast as an option, or a marketing plan that says "you don't need Ballast with our boat". <BR> <BR>I do not want this to be a thread about bashing a brand. This thread does not even need your opinion. These subjects have been racked over the coals enough, the horse is dead, stop whipping it. If you feel a need to "go there" go somewhere else, as there are half a dozen threads going right know on the subjects. <BR> <BR>What I would like, is honest answers about what boat you own, and your ballast set-up.......... <BR> <BR>*Don't ride with any. <BR> <BR>*Factory set-up only (how much) <BR> <BR>*Factory + additional (how much of each) <BR> <BR>*Ordered boat with out and added my own. (how much) <BR> <BR>I have a Tige 22Ve, no factory ballast, added my own = 1300#'s <BR> <BR>I appreciate every one's time on this.

2006 Centruion Elite V. Surfing 2150#'s. Boarding 2300#'s. plus people

Do you want older boats as well? <BR> <BR>1989 SN 2001. Currently ride with (last fall) dry, next spring dry to ~400 lbs. (~800 lbs. ballast capacity) depending on people.

I have an 02' Tige 22i. Rode with 1200lbs. need to put together new ballast system though. thinking about maybe going with more weight.

.......supra 21v ......just upgraded my bags to 2300lbs from 1200. Its always nicer and more fun to play with a larger wake. <BR> <BR>on my old crestliner 17.5 we used 1200# plus people.

05 Calabria Pro-V <BR> <BR>2060 ballast (700 is factory) <BR> <BR>540 in the nose, 1080 in the rear, 440 midship. Does not include fuel, peeps or bags of chips and goodies.....less, depending on who is going.

SS210 Nautique <BR>no factory <BR>900 rear <BR>600 center (or if we have enough people none) <BR>600 front <BR> <BR>~2000 lbs in water

supra 21v - upgraded from 1200 to 2100 internal. plus 450 in the nose and 450 in front of the backs seat. 3000 total

......hey craig what speed can you ride at with that much weight?

anything less than 23.5 it's hard to keep clean, so usually between 23.5 and 24. I think my speedo is a little off too.

2004 Supra 22SSV <BR> <BR>Replaced 900lbs stock ballast with 2400lbs ballast. All still at the flip of a switch and internally hidden, no extra sacks to fill up laying in the floor.

07 23 lsv <BR> <BR>Stock ballast 1250 plus power wedge (for me) <BR> <BR>stock ballast plus power wedge with a lot of people (for me and friends) <BR> <BR>stock ballast plus power wedge plus additional one or two four hundred pound sacks if kellen and tim are riding and we have no extra people

2006 SANTE stock ballast plus a 500# bag in the bow.

Its either my Supra 21V with about 3000lbs total, or my buddy's VLX with the same amount.

2001 Tige 21 V- <BR>no factory option back then <BR> <BR>800 in the back, was 700 until late last year, in custom ballast set up. <BR> <BR>300 in lead up front, will add some more upfront to even it out. would like to add sack to the front and tie it into the ballast system, just do not feel like paying for it. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by RKG on January 22, 2008)

2005 Malibu 23 LSV <BR> <BR>Stock ballast - 1250 lbs <BR>440lb sack in each v-drive <BR>500lb sack in center of floor <BR>2 - 200lb sacks in bow <BR> <BR>total - around 3000lbs

'06 Malibu Wakesetter VLX: <BR> Stock 1250 plus additional <BR> * 450 in lead in the nose <BR> * 2 Fly High Pro 750s in the trunks filled 3/4 to full <BR> * no wedge used but have the power wedge <BR> <BR>When switching riders between advanced and not we will use full stock ballast <BR> * 450 in lead in the nose (this is it for beginners) <BR> * add a touch to the sacks in the trunk and the wedge for advanced. Gives a peakier wake like the 210 hull. <BR> <BR>When riding most of the time we've got around 2500-3000lbs total depending on people in the boat.

2006 XLV: <BR>Gavity III for wakeboarding <BR>Front, left, plus 500 left for wakesurfing

04 Centurion Lightning. <BR> <BR>800-1100 rear: DIY after market plumbing. <BR>300-400 center: stock <BR>300-500 front: aftermarket 550#s partially filled but no plumbing and just leave full most of the time, unless I have a ton of people in the boat and, cough, I am pulling tubes or some other non-wake application for the boat. <BR> <BR>Stock wake is pretty small and would be a disapointment for anyone except the true beginner or skater.

2007 Mobius LSV <BR>came with stock 1200#, 400x3 <BR>Wakeboarding, <BR>added 2 750 fly high to rear lockers, and put the original 2 400 from the rear stacked in walkway and nose for 1200 up front and 1500 in back <BR> <BR>Surfing, <BR>Port side gets 750 in rear locker, 750 on seats in front of rear 750, 400 beside that, 400 stock front plus people stacked on that side.

Foil rider behind a Vride. 900 lbs of stock ballast. No Wedge. <BR>Looking to setup a bow sack under the bow seats, probably about 200 lbs. Just to settle it down quicker over other boat's wakes.

00 vlx, 600 bow sack, 350 locker sack, 350 over locker, 450 trunk sacks, 900lbs of lead (move-able). And a plumb-able 1000lb sack for when the conditions are right. <BR> <BR>I bought my boat used with the factory ballast of two trunk sacks and a locker sack.

04 Tige Switch V (20') <BR>2 X 450 in the back <BR>400 in the front <BR>~200 in the center <BR> <BR>so, about 1500-1600lbs.

Sanger V210. Ordered without and added my own "factory" system. ~1800 pounds total <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/537026.jpg" alt="Upload">

86 ski nautique 1600 water ballast, 200 lead-electronic plus a few people. <BR> <BR>surfing 800 lbs + a few extra people

Factory 1200 most of the time, plus wedge if I'm feeling froggy. <BR> <BR>Surfing = 2400 # plus wedge

06 Mastercraft X-1 <BR> <BR>Factory ~750 (Filled around 4 times) <BR> <BR>800 in sacks (never had water in them). <BR> <BR>I usually ride with 3-4 people in the boat 21-22 MPH @ 65 FT. Just started landing TS and backrolls last summer with no weight. I wanted to get strong fundamentals down before I started adding weight.

'01 Bu 23LSV <BR> <BR>Factory auto ~ 400 center + manual wedge <BR>DIY auto ~ 2x300 in back <BR>Manual fill ~ 350 in bow <BR>When low on people, I also put a 550 in the floor <BR> <BR>Total = up to 1900lb ballast + wedge + people <BR> <BR>For surfing we put all the manual fill bags along the port side.

2004 B52V <BR> <BR>Stock plus a little more. <BR> <BR>Stock total is 1800#'s. I added a integrated Flyhigh bow sack that holds 750#'s I think. <BR> <BR>The boat is a little slow to plane with the back full and no weight in the front. <BR> <BR>I typically run 3/4 full in the back, and probably 500#'s in the front. The wake is great with this setup. <BR> <BR>Surfing is full in the front, and full in the back on one side. I am adding a cube (85#'s) to the far back corner this summer for surfing. <BR> <BR>Darin

'99 Prostar 205DD <BR>Rear: 700# Sack &amp; 80# in Pop Bags = 780 total <BR>Center: 200# in Pop Bags = 200 total <BR>Nose: 500# in Lead blocks and bags = 500 total <BR> <BR>Total Boat weight: Approximately 1480# <BR> <BR>Plus we usually have about 4-5 people in the boat with an average weight of probably 180# which equals 900# <BR> <BR>SO: #2380 of people &amp; ballast = a mackin' wake!

05 Super Air Nautique Team Edition <BR>stock ballast <BR>600 lbs of pop bags spread around the boat <BR>440lb sac in the bow

Cool thread, but I have another thing maybe to add. I think it would be neat if people put in their ability level that they ride at as well. <BR> <BR>06 Mastercraft X1 <BR>Stock ballast approx 900 lbs <BR>Extra sand/lead approx 500 lbs <BR>Total ballast weight is about 1400 give or take passengers <BR>Intermediate level riders (basic inverts) <BR>Any more is overkill for my ability level, my back, and drains the gas tank too fast IMO.

2000 x-star <BR> <BR>1500 in the lockers <BR>280 lead under back seat <BR>400 ski locker <BR>260 sac in the nose <BR>500 lead in nose

06 Tige 22v <BR> <BR>450lbs in rear lockers. <BR>~550lbs integrated bow sac. <BR>400lbs Pop bags in the walkway. <BR>400lbs sac in the floor if needed. <BR> <BR>Move the pop bags and extra sac to the rear if surfing. <BR> <BR>Intermediate rider (a few inverts and spins)

05 Calabria Pro V <BR>750 lb stock Pure vert ballast <BR>540 lb in the bow <BR>400 lb in each rear locker <BR>2-150 big blocks to dial in wake <BR> <BR>Total approx 2400 lbs not including gas and friends

Very nice thread guys. TIGE' 24V Factory Ballast 500 Lbs. in the front storage compartments and 800 LBS. In the rear storage. <BR> <BR>From the what I read everyone has a very nice boat and set up. Hope to see you all at the lake.

I bought a 2002 tige 22i with out ballast and added about 1500 lbs of fat sacs. 440 in each rear locker a 440 in the bow walk way and an 85 block on each side of the engine cover or to fine tune. <BR> <BR>run about 22.5 mph. loaded and 21.5 mph. unloaded

1999 Tige 2100v Limited, no factory ballast (not an option back then) <BR> <BR>850# surfing and 1400# wakeboarding/wakeskating, plus people.

95 Super Sport <BR>No factory ballast offered <BR>600 by the the back <BR>600 center <BR>400-500 under the sunpad <BR>about 1700

04 X-Star, full ballast, 500lbs in each rear compartment, 500lbs of lead under front seats + people.

'07 Tige RZ2 <BR>No factory ballast <BR>800~1000# for surfing (2 sacs) in locker of the side of the rider <BR>Wakeboarding, sometimes fill the v-drive sacs 1/2 full, just depends on the mood. <BR>Intermediate riders (some spins)

'07 MC X-45 <BR> Full Factory ballast - 1000lbs - I think <BR> Sacks and steel - 1610lbs <BR> Basic spins and inverts

'06 Tige 24ve <BR>No factory ballast, added my own ~2000lbs. <BR>750x2 in rear lockers, 500 in front <BR>Intermediate riders

2001 Sanger <BR>320 lbs stock ballast (When it is working) <BR>1300 lbs. fatsacs <BR>600 lbs. lead <BR>Normally 3 or 4 riders in boat <BR>Intermediate level

'05 Tige 24V <BR>Surfing: 1550# Enzo sack plus 600# lead. Taps at 4 <BR>Wakeboarding: 450# rear only.Taps at 2

'07 Tige RZ2 <BR> <BR>No factory ballast. <BR> <BR>Planning to install this year. <BR> <BR>1600 lbs rear <BR>500 lbs bow

03' X2 <BR>Full factory (between 750-900#'s depending on who you talk to) <BR>Extra 400# of water in bow and extra 400# in the back plus 4 to 8 people in the boat <BR>If we have no other people besides the driver and spotter we will run 800# in the bow and 800# in the back ontop of the factory ballast <BR>Basic inverts and spins @ 21.5 to 23mph and 65 to 75ft in line length depending on who's riding. <BR>I hope this helps

'06 Sanger V-215 <BR> <BR>Factory triple ballast (unsure of weight) <BR> <BR>Extra 400# in each locker and 500# in the bow

2005 Tige 24V <BR> <BR>400 in each rear locker via Rival system, and 400 up front in a custom U shaped bag under the seats. If I am feeling excited, add another 400 in the walkway for 1600 pounds total. It is a super nice wake. <BR> <BR>Surfing: I fill a 1500 pound custom sack on the port side and move everyone over. Fill the 400 on the starboard as well. Good surf wake.

2000 Tige 21V most of the time just lots of people, sometimes fill 550# fat sack <BR>intermediate backrolls, tantrums, T/S front rolls

1996 Mastercraft Maristar 225VRS <BR>No factory ballast (not offered back then!) <BR>1500 rear, 500 locker, 250 nose, 250 moveable, 250 in stereo, 300 in beefy steel tower. <BR>Total ballast= 3000 + or - plus people.

Sanger V210 <BR>0 factory ballast <BR> <BR>900 in hard weight plus three fat sacks for around 2000 maybe more?

SS/210 <BR> <BR>no stock ballast. running roughly 2500 #s, mostly water.

1990 Sanger DX - old school <BR> <BR>770 lbs... <BR> <BR>(2) 260lb sacks (each side of engine <BR>150 lbs lead in nose <BR>100 lbs lead under rear seats

my buddies malibu lsv <BR>-stock ballast(both rear tanks, the middle tank and the front tank) <BR>-wedge down <BR>-a bow sack <BR>-4 of those cube sacks(50 pounders, 2 on each side of the engine) <BR>-a 500 sack in the middle of the boat <BR>-usually 4 people in the boat

05 X2 <BR> <BR>Flyhigh V-Drive sacs 400lb each <BR>Stock belly sac-300lbs <BR>600lbs of popbags under bow cushions <BR> <BR>23 to 23.5 mph 75ft

2004 Sky Supreme V220 with stock pair of 300lbs in the rear lockers. <BR> <BR>Plumbed into the factory system an additional 4 - 600lbs sacks. 2 in the front, 2 in the rear lockers. <BR> <BR>Total weight - 3000lbs. <BR> <BR>6.2L 340hp - Acme 911 Prop! <BR> <BR>Out of the whole with ease... holds speed with ease.

04 VLX with 1250 stock 2000 more plus people. It is a low riding gas hog.

So, has anyone ever sank their boat??? Just throwin' that out there...

2006 tige 22ve no factory ballast <BR> <BR>I run two 440's in the rear two 200's up front. If I want more I move the 200's under the middle seats and put a 550 up front. Does not include peeps and gear. <BR> <BR>The most I have run was seven sacs two 440's twoo400's two 200's and the 550 with nine people very nice wake would nead to reprop if I wanted to run that more often sucks the gas and have to put the plate at one to get it up on plane then bump the plate to 5 or 6

'93 Ski Nautique <BR>400lbs on either side of the motor <BR>250lbs behind the motor <BR>driver and spotter

2004 Centurion Enzo SV230: <BR> <BR>Replaced stock tanks with 750# Fly-High's in each rear compartment. Up front, I've got only 200#'s of lead (pop bags, really). Thinking about adding an integrated bow sac (saw one last week at the boat show in a new Enzo SV230). I've learned what many here already knew...you can't throw all the weight in the aft. Hull performs better (and boat performs more efficiently) if there is more of a balanced weighting of the hull into the water, with a bias of more weight towards the rear. I assume that balance differs somewhat for each model of boat. <BR> <BR>Currently, for Boarding, I fill the back sac's 2/3's full (easier on the hole shot...I've only got the 315hp 350 MAG). <BR> <BR>For surfing, we completely fill the specific rear sac that we'll be surfing on (usually port, of course), and make sure all the pop-bags up front are on the same side (40# bags are easy to move). <BR> <BR>Ride on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0>

05 Tige 22i <BR> <BR>No ballast!! just bros,babes,and beer. <BR>set Taps and speed to riders pref. <BR>newb-inter riders.

'04 Launch SS <BR> <BR>1000 stock ballast (600bow, 400 rear) <BR>+/-500 rear sac <BR>+/-200 bow sac <BR> <BR>avg 2 adults in boat with this setup. Plate all the way up.

Good thread <BR>07 Tige 24ve <BR> <BR>Wakeboarding <BR>2 750# sacs in back compartments <BR>1 600# sac under front seats <BR>cleans up at about 21.5mph we ride at 23mph 65-75' <BR> <BR>Intermediate riders <BR> <BR>Surfing <BR>1000-1500# on surf side, no weight in the front.

Supra 24 <BR>2 750's in the back <BR>1 stock 1150 in the front <BR>extra 80 pounds of movable weight <BR>typical 3-4 adults ~ 700lbs <BR>with the plate at 1/4 <BR>= perfect <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

06 V215 <BR> <BR>Factory front and rear ballast tanks (maybe 1000 total) <BR>+ <BR>600 lbs lead front <BR>+ <BR>400 lbs lead rear <BR>+ <BR>700 lbs riders in boat <BR>= <BR> <BR>See profile pic.

2005 Supra 22SSV <BR> <BR>Replaced factory bags with 2500 lbs. <BR>1500 in the rear, 1000 up front

rich, <BR> <BR>what prop you running?