elementary school shooting
What type of scum goes to an elementary school and shoots kids. Latest count I heard was 26 dead, including 18 kids and the shooter
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14...ool/?hpt=hp_t1 |
This is why teachers need to be armed. WTF is wrong with people.
|
good lord, I hope I never live in a world where "teachers *need* to be armed."
Can't imagine what the parents are going through. |
^^^were getting mighty close to that world unfortunately.
|
I'd like to reprise what I said in the Oregon Mall Shooting thread, but with a slight modification. Don't put armed guards in malls/theaters PUT THEM ALL AT SCHOOLS!!!
This makes me so sad. |
This is a new low, f**ked up stuff.
Columbine I can understand (does that make me a monster?) .... kids getting bullied so they go in and shoot up the people responsible.... ok, I can understand why it happen, certainly don't agree with it, but I understand their motives... but the **** today, what is going on??!! I am waiting for the report that confirms the shooter was bat**** crazy for years, because that is the only way I can understand this. |
This IMO is only going to strengthen CCW permits and people's reason to go buy a gun.
If having a gun and carrying it makes you feel safe why shouldn't you. Their is no ideal law or solution that can make everyone happy. We are a nation of guns and" I think that's a good thing" if you try regulating it more all you do is make it harder for good law abiding citizens to get a gun. If you want to be a ass and harm innocent people your going to find a way no matter what laws are in place. As far as this particular shooting what would be wrong with locking down schools so just not anyone can walk on campus. |
Quote:
|
As a parent of an elementary school student, this makes me sad, and scares the **** out of me. What's to stop some coward from walking onto my kids school campus and shooting her? If people are getting to the point where they'll shoot 6-10 year old children, then we're living in a much scarier place than I ever imagined.
Home school is sounding better and better. |
Quote:
|
Sounds like his mom was a teacher at the school at some point. Both his parents found dead in their home.
Not gonna lie. I teared up pretty good at the gym this morning. As a father of a kindergartner, it scared the bejeezus out of me, and then just made me sad. I will never, ever understand the mindset of mass murdrerers. Especially those who feel the need to kill innocent children. I am now sitting on my couch eating lunch with my daughter, and am pretty certain she is not leaving my sight today. |
Quote:
Agreed with quoted, until we know the details not much can be said besides trying to offer support to the families in some way or another. |
1 Attachment(s)
This goes to show you that you can have all the laws on the books you want, but nothing is going to stop the evil that people do. As a parent I am heartbroken, as a gun owner, I'm mad as hell because this will be used against us as usual. This State is ranked 5th by the Brady Campaign for their gun laws, the school is a no gun zone and this State has a "May Issue" for CCW's
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/ http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...formation.html Truly a very sad day in America when the Laws to protect you, prevent you from protecting others.:banghead: |
Quote:
If we are going to restrict teachers to those who would (a) be willing to carry a firearm and (b) be proficient with a firearm, you are going to remove a great many teachers from the classroom. Teachers should be teachers because they can teach, not because of their marksmanship. |
Very very sad to hear what happend today. I work at a school and I agree with "G" lock down the schools make everybody that needs to be in the school have an Id badge. make it where they have to buzz in to even get into the school. It would surprise you how easy it is to just walk into schools with nobody caring who you are. You are sapposed to check in at are school and get a visitor badge before you can walk the halls but I stop people all the time that just walk in and walk by the big check in sign and and go to classrooms and pick up there kids. Whats crazy is how pissed people get when you make them go back and check in.
|
Quote:
|
" what would be wrong with locking down schools so just not anyone can walk on campus."
That is pretty much the standard now everywhere in America, all doors are locked from the outside and the front entrance door has a person who buzzes people in, then, if they are not a student or teacher, they have to swipe their license and have to have a reason for being there. Also, there is a cop assigned to the school district that can be anywhere in a few minutes. |
Quote:
|
After being a participant in the Mall shooting thread also, I was shocked to hear this news today. My 2nd grade daughter is now home after school and it's sad some parents will never have that feeling again....taken away by this POS human being. My 6 grader will be home in about 30 mins when I will tell her to always be on the lookout and be ready to dive for cover. Joeshmoe mentioned some good points about having an officer ready minutes away...but these teachers and kids don't have minutes..they have just seconds. They probably didn't even have a chance to dive or move for cover. Sad and terrible. As I was reading through these posts about teachers carrying.....a thought came to my mind....do I have to have my daughter wear some type of kevlar/bullet proof vest under her clothes?? What kind of message does that send to our little ones. This has to be really hard for the ones left behind to understand why this happend to their friends. My neighbors house was broken into today and crazies are shooting kids in school. WTF is this world coming to??
|
Just confirms my belief that there is good and evil in this world.
|
Completely wretched humanity.
Sadly, IMO, this also proves that there is NO all loving all knowing all powerful god. I also expect a new wave of gun laws. |
Quote:
|
Clearly this happened because Conn. OK'd gay marriage.
Good to see Anonymous going after these scumbags: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12..._baptist_hack/ |
^The funny thing is, I think we have a few of their members that regularly post on this very forum. Wonder if they'll hack their WW accounts???
|
Have not really read this thread but it is good to know that God is yet again to blame at the end of it all. Keep following that leftist handbook. God is to blame and so are his followers especially since I am sure this kid was down at the ol bible revival before he struck.
|
I am so sick and sad that this has been turned into a yet another way for either side to push their political agendas. I have cried a million and one tears on and off since Friday because although I did not know Mary Scherlach, she like me was a school psychologist and she lost her life trying keep children safe. I did not know Dawn Lafferty, the school principal, but I am grateful everyday that I work with someone like her who always puts students first. I did not know Victoria Soto, but I know several teachers who would do just what she died doing, protecting the children she worked with. I did not know any of the precious first graders, but I know my own nearly six year old and I cannot imagine a world that he isn't in. I am so damn sick of this nation and its two sides and its ability to use awful things like this to further their agendas. All I want to do is hug both kids a little tighter everyday before they go to school and hug them just as tight when they get home. I refuse to watch anything the media has to say about this and I am seriously considering deactivating my FB account.
|
IMHO, Melissa, you hit on part of problem. Also, the focus should not be on gun control but what causes someone to do something like this.
|
Very well said melissa!!!!!!!!!
|
Quote:
|
Because criminals and psychopaths don't follow laws Jeremy. Only law abiding citizens do. You could never get all the guns off the streets or force people to give them up. Only stop the sale of new guns. The assault weapon ban will be reimplemented, and I don't think that is a bad thing.
|
You can't take away the guns from the people who have the right to protect themselves. Come on folks there alot more serious things that we have to solve first. Where are our priorities?
|
Quote:
So if you are in-fact a law abiding citizen fighting for the greater good, you wouldn't have your gun anyway. |
The answer -
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aAoMNEQo4sQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
Quote:
How many reports do you see on the news about the "responsible gun owner's" kid getting a hold of the gun and accidentally shooting themselves or their buddy? |
I won't disagree with you that the process should be harder to get them. Gun shows need to have the same requirments as anyone else. I will not agree with you that all guns should be banned(if thats what youre getting at.)
|
Quote:
I found out here in KS, you can carry a gun unconcealed most anywhere you want(except federal buildings) and the signs do not pretain to unconcealed. You may be asked to leave though. |
"You can't take away the guns from the people who have the right to protect themselves. Come on folks there alot more serious things that we have to solve first. Where are our priorities? "-Dennis Engal
Explain to me what we have to solve that is "more serious" than keeping kids from getting shot up at school? |
Quote:
Why not just make it illegal to go on shooting sprees? oh wait... The real answer is to stop ignoring red flags of psychos in the making and institutionalize them permanently. They don't just grow overnight. Give life sentences for any armed robbery\assault. |
All evidence points to the killers Mom being a law abiding citizen. Most of the guns used in these kind of mass killings are legal. If you make them illegal you won't be taking them away from the drug dealers who are killing other drug dealer but you will take them away from the moms of future mass killers.
Is your right to play cowboy and have fun with your noisy toy more important than keeping our kids alive? And yes we should have better mental health as well. But people will fall through those cracks just like they will fall through the gun law cracks, doesn't mean we shouldn't try. We can stop some of these situations from happening and all it costs is your weekend hobbie. Why don't you use the money and time that you'll have without your guns to wakeboard? |
All evidence points this mom to either being in complete denial about her kids mental state, or she was a horrible human being who let her mentally ill child have access to her guns. Ether way, i blame the mom right now, until more evidence comes to light that she was forced to hand over her guns to her mentally ill son.
Well said Melissa. Its hard enough on those effected by it way out here in cali, but it has to be even tougher on educators like yourself. |
Quote:
|
He would never be intstitutionalized, or even hospitalized. Because he was too bright! I have seen many kids like Adam Lanza over the years and time and time again parents are told, they are too high functioning to benefit from services. They can access the curriculum, they can sit in class and even participate, but they are not able to socialize or even make sense of the world. I am sorry Train that you blame his mother. I have met his mother so many times (in the figurative sense). She wants what all parents want, for her child to be a functioning member of society, but the system is not set up for that to happen. I sat across from a mom last Thursday who said she feared for herself and her two younger children when her older son is around. He has been receiving support off and on since age 2, but every time he starts doing well in school the proverbial blanket is pulled out from under him. I work in a school in military housing and I am pretty sure that 90% or more of our parents have guns in the home, but not once have I ever considered myself in danger while at work and I have seen some parents go off the rails, as well as students. Like I said before, I am sad that this has once again become an issue for our bipolar (because that is how I feel about our two party system) nation to fight about. However you feel about it, our mental health system fails kids like this and we need to do something about it.
|
""Why not? Without the guns, this doesn't happen. You can spin it anyway you want, but you can't hide that fact. "" Gun ownership should always be a right in America. Even if America did ban guns, that would be no help to the people who suffer from a mental illness and then only criminal would have guns. Maybe if the police and school administrators were allowed to do their jobs without having to worry about lawsuits, we would all be better protected?
|
Melissa, I hope you stick around. You bring a refreshing perspective. Thank you.
Ron, why is the only choice when we talk about gun violence leaving everything as it is or "America banning guns"? That's so laughable. America will never ever in a million zillion years "ban guns." But we might ban 30 shot clips. |
Jeremy, as a teacher, you should know firsthand how difficult and frustrating it is to get students the help they need. If this person were a student in your class and you recognized he could possibly be a threat to others and himself, what could you--or anyone--have legally done? As his neighbor, parent, relative, of friend, what would you have done?
|
"Why not? Without the guns, this doesn't happen. You can spin it anyway you want, but you can't hide that fact."
Really? If I remember correctly Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people including 19 children under the age of 6 without firing one shot... |
Shawndoggy, I don't know. Shooting is a fun sport and there are more responsible gun owners than not. The problem I have with banning guns and clips is this--say, for example, a 30 round clip is made illegal, so what's to stop a 29 from being manufactured? If a 10 is made illegal, then what's to stop a 9 from being produced? If I want, let’s say 90 rounds, I but 10, 9 round clips. If someone wants to kill badly enough, that person will find a way. My point is the focus should be on the real problem. How does someone like this person slip through the cracks? And I agree with you. I hope Melissa will stick around.
|
If it were not a gun, it would have been a bomb.
The columbine killings were done with 10 round magazines. Those were magazines that were allowed under the 1st gun ban legislation. Had the ban allowed for 5 round magazines, then they just would have had more magazines. (Notice the use of the term magazine.They are NOT clips.) Very common mistake which is being butchered by the media and even the lawmakers right now. . They are trying to ban and regulate them and don't even know the correct terminology. Melissa is an amazing person and a good friend. Thanks Melissa for posting what you do. ! |
Quote:
|
I don't think Adam Lanza should have been intstitutionalized, or even hospitalized... I think someone should have taken him into a field a put a bullet in his head. That way 27 innocent people would have still been alive and one cowardly, sub-human freak would have been eaten by ants and birds. This piece of trash makes me sick. Most special needs children are wonderful kids that are non-violent. This was a piece of garbage that would kill an entire class of 1st graders. The worst mass killing in US History at a school took place in 1927 and the guy used TNT. I think one sure way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. Most of these cowards instantly kill themselves when armed good guys arrive. Let's put more armed good guys in schools so they can kill sub-human trash when they make an appearance.
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:27 PM. |